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Old 9th August 2018, 02:25 PM   #1
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The America we know and love doesn't exist anymore

Laura Ingraham decided to broaden her horizons in the "Being Wrong Olympics" from being focused on an ongoing campaign to exonerate Trump from the Russia problem to complaining about immigration.


Legal immigration. Not couched with the term "illegal" to make it seem like a moralistic stance against criminal acts but against the concept of people moving from one nation to another.


https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/s...80439420420101

"The America we know and love doesn't exist anymore. Massive demographic changes have been foisted on the American people, and they are changes that none of us ever voted for, and most of us don't like ... this is related to both illegal and legal immigration."
Did you know that no one voted for the idea that the tired and poor could relocate to America? I didn't. I could have sworn that it was an important issue to me. Oh...wait I get it. She doesn't consider liberals to be part of "real America" so she means the liberal acceptance of immigration as a concept is null and void.


And should we guess that maybe she isn't upset at all immigration? Perhaps it is just immigration from [s-word]hole countries? You know, countries where the people aren't lily white and maybe don't think that Jesus gifted the Constitution to the Founding Fathers from a pillar of light?


It is nice to see that Fox News hosts are dropping the pretense that they are only concerned about illegal immigrants and opening up that they just don't like that America isn't as white or Christian as it once was in their dreams of a time gone past.
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What are your views on immigration?
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Except, the Post-WW2 Liberalism which made it possible for large scale immigration to not go to **** was never the norm. And Trump's administration is pushing it past the Point of No Return

That is the key problem that liberalism faces, that the circumstances which made it viable were an aberration. Already we are seeing the Liberal World Order* crumble at its very foundations across Europe. Fukuyama's thesis that we were at the end of history is about to come crashing down, and it will not be pretty.

*Disclaimer: Richard Haas's words, not mine.
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It never did. Neither hers nor yours.
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I hope she's right, and the America I grew up in, quiet as it was for me, a middle class white dude, is gone forever and never comes back. The world back then was not peaceful, fair, just or sustainable. It could have been. It's someone else's turn to **** it up now.
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The history of the US is immigration. And it's also the virulent opposition of immigration by the people who were already here. A failure to understand this should be an automatic disqualification.
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Originally Posted by sir drinks-a-lot View Post
What are your views on immigration?

No limits or quotas. Just check they aren't wanted by Interpol or carrying a disease then let them in.
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It is nice to see that Fox News hosts are dropping the pretense that they are only concerned about illegal immigrants and opening up that they just don't like that America isn't as white or Christian as it once was in their dreams of a time gone past.
In an equally startling discovery: The Fox News audience is almost 100% white, according to Nielsen.
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Old 9th August 2018, 08:08 PM   #9
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I interviewed probably two dozen Muslim refugees from Marawi City. We have a house about 30 km from where they allowed ISIS to declare a caliphate, resulting in a war that leveled the City. Typical ISIS takeover, they raided the banks and the businesses, took property of every kind like art, jewelry, personal savings (a lot don't use banks) etc.

They allowed a lot of people to leave, gave them an evacuation order. They did summary executions after that, some before. But the situation was escape with what you had on your back or commit to Shariah law under ISIS. They had checkpoints on the roads, nobody got through with anything of value. They kept a lot of high-value Christian hostages, but executed ones in the way.

The news didn't tell it like it happened in one respect. The national government first tried to bribe the leaders to leave. But they said no, and the people were, in the majority, wanting the caliphate. The national government said no, you aren't robbing banks and killing people, taking all their money and property so that you can go to heaven.

The war destroyed the entire city, house to house fighting as in all ISIS eviction notices. Over a thousand people killed, over 350,000 refugees. And we talked to many of them.

We watched helicopters flying overhead, to drop their ordinance. Whenever Duterte was there the skies were clouded with aircraft. There's always been checkpoints because of the Moro Islamic Liberation Front, but during active firefights you go through two military checkpoints, inspections, to the market from our place. 10 pm Curfew. I violated curfew just once in 4 months, my wife and MIL got strychnine poisoning from cassava.

This regional set of wars has killed over 130,000 since the 1960's. We have extended family in the army and extended family in the MILF, currently at peace in theory but I see a leveled provincial capital city, and the worst sort of poverty the world knows. And the fighting is in the end a war over Shariah vs civil rule so it will never be over.

And that means there's no economy, no schools, ambushes of cops, #3 in the world for assassinated journalists, beheaded workers, shakedowns of buses, blowing up of passenger ships, farmers extorted, businessmen paying protection just like the mob, international drug and human trafficking, it's been an eye-opener for me. We have a safety protocol anytime we step out the door.

I was real naive, it was what I was brought up to think in the public schools and college especially. The media. The entertainment industry. Open borders. Seeing what Wahhabi Islam is all about up close and personal changed my mind about that. It's sheep bringing in the wolves. Immigrating them.

In talking to the refugees: they tell you with a perfectly sincere face that they were cool with ISIS taking over. Happy about it. They did not want to personally participate in the killing. But yes, the robbing of the banks and seizing businesses & homes, and most especially the imposition of Shariah Law - they were emphatic in support. Cutting off hands, executing gays, strictest dress codes and lack of women't rights - the full bore Wahhabi dictatorship. That's what they wanted.

The women too, yes. They thought it right. They have polygamy, multiple wives under Islam, arranged marriages, child marriages, everything the old school Sunni believe in. Selling girls, it's the only thing they're good for. The women will tell you that letting women dress immodestly shows the men don't protect them. Making them walk with a male relative as escort under full wraps save for slits in the eyes: this is being given status. Compared to being raped, I suppose so!

It should come as no surprise because when you study Christain communal colonies like the Hutterites or the Menonites or old school Mormon, etc. the women say the same thing: they'd never want to know about money or be involved in community decisions. That's what men do. You marry the guy that's arranged for you, and in ISIS Shariah law that can be nine years old. Girls don't go to school, their duty is pumping out children. A lot of them.

Prayer five times a day. Religious police censoring internet, cell phones, cigarettes and booze (while trafficking in drugs themselves internationally), public executions...it's pretty horrific, actually. Kidnaps for ransom, hostages executed. Amidst this holy revolution.

So it's naive. To think you can have no limits on this kind of immigration and have no deadly repercussions.

I can't use public transportation, nor do my wife and children. It's too dangerous. We have found a place to build a new house and the first rule of self-preservation is not to be anywhere near this kind of thing. It isn't racism. They score points for assassinating a kaffir. You cannot be near it, they do not think like we do.

My wife is an immigrant. But she's a Christian and what that means is her religion is not bent on overthrowing countries for Islamic law. Buddhist, same thing. There are lots of religions believing in separation of church and state. There are others that do not, and they're remarkably frank about telling you to your face that you should be forced to live under their religious law or die. They view it their religious duty to help cart your furniture off for sale, take your car, anything short of having to be the one beheading you themselves.

Then they sell you a pair of sandals. As if you had been talking about the weather.
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I'm sure if you had a time traveling device and took Ingraham back to Little Italy in the 1920s she'd be similarly appalled.
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No limits or quotas. Just check they aren't wanted by Interpol or carrying a disease then let them in.
Curiously enough, that's the Wall Street Journal's editorial position as well. You're going to have to do some substantial trimming to welfare benefits and labor leaders will be furious.
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No limits or quotas. Just check they aren't wanted by Interpol or carrying a disease then [treat them first and] let them in.
Seriously Travis, carrying a disease?

Like blindness from trachoma? We haven't needed to block them from immigration since Ellis Island was open to screen immigrants.
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Was "illegal" immigration ever a serious pretense over there? Did I miss that part? I thought they gave them up after they hired Ms. Nazi Salute as a show host to replace...who was it, Levittown Bill? Only person I've seen move away from subtlety as far as racism goes is Tucker Carlson - the rest have been obvious for years - or in Inghram's case, going back to her days in college.

(Now, muslim-bashing and hatred of LGBT people - they've all been on that train forever...)
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Truth and justice don’t seem to be given even lip service as the American way anymore.
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A lot of you need to get it through your heads that a substantial (and growing) number of whites on this planet simply will not permit ourselves to become minorities in the societies our ancestors built for us.

We will not share our territory with infinite brown hordes who come here and make our formerly nice neighborhoods into dirty, violent places or even (best case scenario) just make them feel significantly different than what they were before and what we prefer and what we feel comfortable with.

The moment when we simply say "no more" is coming. We may have to give up some territory, maybe a lot of it, but we will have our own spaces again. THAT is what is right and fair.
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Society isn't something anyone can claim ownership. And it isn't possible to identify what share any individual contributed and their intent.

ETA: for example, as near as I can figure, my ancestors also contributed for the exact opposite reasons as your ancestors. How do we resolve this?

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A lot of you need to get it through your heads that a substantial (and growing) number of whites on this planet simply will not permit ourselves to become minorities in the societies our ancestors built for us.

We will not share our territory with infinite brown hordes who come here and make our formerly nice neighborhoods into dirty, violent places or even (best case scenario) just make them feel significantly different than what they were before and what we prefer and what we feel comfortable with.

The moment when we simply say "no more" is coming. We may have to give up some territory, maybe a lot of it, but we will have our own spaces again. THAT is what is right and fair.
The Demographics have already changed. Frightened and salty boomers will die shaking their frail fists at the growing numbers of brown non-Christian kids speaking funny languages on their lawns. Another page in history turns and fades.

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The main problem with racism is that christian conservatives (and other creator cults, including muslims) refuse to believe that we are all related to the other great apes, and all evolved from a common great ape. Because believing in science pretty much proves they are not special.

And that on top of that races as they believe in them don't even exist.

What they hate are ethnicities.
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And there is the buying into the essentialist/realist delusion about socially constructed catagories like races. As if the class of human objects we might call “white” is in some way carving nature at her joints, deliniating a superior class of human, where everyone who falls within its fuzzy boundaries feels elite, no matter where they fall within the statistical bell curves of data explored about it.

If such thinking hadn’t a history of cruel oppression under various hegemonies it would be laughable.
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The history of the US is immigration. And it's also the virulent opposition of immigration by the people who were already here. A failure to understand this should be an automatic disqualification.
The "nation of immigrants" is again a post ww2 construct, and for all the talk of "diverse and progressive futures", that is again an construct of the post 1945 order, itself an historical aberration. What happens when that comes crashing down? Yugoslavia and Brazil are disturbing portents of what is to come and ffs Europe, the land of civic virtue, is sliding back into fascism because a few brown people showed up.
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Originally Posted by NWO Sentryman View Post
The "nation of immigrants" is again a post ww2 construct, and for all the talk of "diverse and progressive futures", that is again an construct of the post 1945 order, itself an historical aberration. What happens when that comes crashing down? Yugoslavia and Brazil are disturbing portents of what is to come and ffs Europe, the land of civic virtue, is sliding back into fascism because a few brown people showed up.
There are many who, in their fearful tribalism, want to burn down the “never-again” post WW2 structures and thought.
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There are many who, in their fearful tribalism, want to burn down the “never-again” post WW2 structures and thought.
And the Post WW2 Structures and thought, as I explained, are past the point of no return and frankly unsustainable. Heck, I could even argue that the point of no return was 1991 when the USSR collapsed.

As for "never again", Cambodia, Guatemala, Yugoslavia, Rwanda, Darfur, Myanmar and Yemen shows how much of a joke such a phrase is.
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We're talking about a country that imported a load of Africans and annexed a large chunk or Mexico, right?
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We're talking about a country that imported a load of Africans and annexed a large chunk or Mexico, right?
The large scale immigration from mexico happened AFTER the Second World War. In Pre-WW2 Circumstances, the Mexican community would have faced this fate, and may well do so once the Post-WW2 norms come crashing down.
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And the Post WW2 Structures and thought, as I explained, are past the point of no return and frankly unsustainable. Heck, I could even argue that the point of no return was 1991 when the USSR collapsed.

As for "never again", Cambodia, Guatemala, Yugoslavia, Rwanda, Darfur, Myanmar and Yemen shows how much of a joke such a phrase is.
So lets violently overturn any hope/optimism for better and withdraw into our parochialism.
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So lets violently overturn any hope/optimism for better and withdraw into our parochialism.
As far as I am concerned, it's too late at this point. On this scale, what is broken is impossible to rebuild.
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As far as I am concerned, it's too late at this point. On this scale, what is broken is impossible to rebuild.
Sisyphus says, “**** it” and lets the stone roll over himself.
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The large scale immigration from mexico happened AFTER the Second World War. In Pre-WW2 Circumstances, the Mexican community would have faced this fate, and may well do so once the Post-WW2 norms come crashing down.

I'm not sure what your point is here.

Look at a map of Mexico and Texas before and after the American invasion of Mexico.
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I'm not sure what your point is here.

Look at a map of Mexico and Texas before and after the American invasion of Mexico.
http://metrocosm.com/animated-immigration-map/

And TMK Texas/California were sparsely populated in 1848.
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Originally Posted by NWO Sentryman View Post
http://metrocosm.com/animated-immigration-map/

And TMK Texas/California were sparsely populated in 1848.

Not really sure why you're showing me this as it's not relevant to what I'm saying.

It'#s a pretty little graphic though, even if the map itself is inaccurate.


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Old 10th August 2018, 05:11 AM   #34
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Originally Posted by NWO Sentryman View Post
The "nation of immigrants" is again a post ww2 construct...
Sorry, bollocks.

The late 19th and early 20th century Irish and Italian immigrations alone were huge (as a percentage of the existing population)...

As an example, just look at the table here (wiki) of the percentage of foreign born citizens.

You don't get anything close to the values in the late 19th/early 20th century until this decade.

If you look at the table just before that of immigration in certain periods, especially 1905/10. Compare that to your mythical "liberal world order" post war. There's simply no comparison until the 1990s!
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Old 10th August 2018, 05:15 AM   #35
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Originally Posted by Tolls View Post
Sorry, bollocks.

The late 19th and early 20th century Irish and Italian immigrations alone were huge (as a percentage of the existing population)...

As an example, just look at the table here (wiki) of the percentage of foreign born citizens.

You don't get anything close to the values in the late 19th/early 20th century until this decade.

If you look at the table just before that of immigration in certain periods, especially 1905/10. Compare that to your mythical "liberal world order" post war. There's simply no comparison until the 1990s!
I was referring specifically to "we are a nation of immigrants!" being a common belief, which was largely after WW2. You are neglecting Tammany Hall's machine politics, what happened to the German American communities as well as the 1924 Immigration Act.
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Old 10th August 2018, 05:55 AM   #36
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I'm not neglecting them (the 1924 act is why the figures until 1990 were so low).
I'm pointing out that the figures don't show your assertion at all.

Never mind that (as an aspiration or whatever) the Staue of Liberty was from the 19th century, and it's statement is very much about the country being accepting of immigration. It wasn't a post-WW2 concept, or an invention of JFK.
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Old 10th August 2018, 07:00 AM   #37
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Originally Posted by Tolls View Post
I'm not neglecting them (the 1924 act is why the figures until 1990 were so low).
I'm pointing out that the figures don't show your assertion at all.

Never mind that (as an aspiration or whatever) the Staue of Liberty was from the 19th century, and it's statement is very much about the country being accepting of immigration. It wasn't a post-WW2 concept, or an invention of JFK.
Maybe so, but "we welcome immigrants!" =/= "We are a nation of immigrants!". There are subtle but key differences there.
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Old 10th August 2018, 07:10 AM   #38
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Considering our colonial roots, I would have thought that if calling us a nation of immigrants is an aberration, the aberration was not in the fact of it, but the honesty of admitting it.
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Maybe so, but "we welcome immigrants!" =/= "We are a nation of immigrants!". There are subtle but key differences there.
What are they?
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Old 10th August 2018, 07:36 AM   #40
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A lot of you need to get it through your heads that a substantial (and growing) number of whites on this planet simply will not permit ourselves to become minorities in the societies our ancestors built for us.
You really put the "snow" in "snowflake."

Maybe you guys should stop being so sensitive. A Chinese guy moving in across the street is not genocide. You'll be fine, I promise.
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