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Old 27th February 2021, 08:20 AM   #3081
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I think they really thought they were the in crowd, with special privilege and that their leader would affirm it. The political philosophy of their leaders is a mishmash of Pealing platitudes, comic book vigilantism, Randian exceptionalism and decaffeinated Thoreau, culminating in what the author Frank Wilhoit characterizes as the single tenet of conservatism: that "there must be an in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, and out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
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Old 27th February 2021, 08:24 AM   #3082
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Old 27th February 2021, 09:24 AM   #3083
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They expected to be rewarded when they had reinstated Trump, so they wanted to make it easy for the New Republican Order to identify the people who deserved medals and invitations to his inauguration.
The simpler explanation is that most of them...just aren't that bright. Fools have been posting their own crime photos since at least back when Tom was everyone's friend - the cops routinely mocked them for snitching on themselves during press conferences.
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Old 27th February 2021, 10:57 AM   #3084
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Originally Posted by dann View Post
They expected to be rewarded when they had reinstated Trump, so they wanted to make it easy for the New Republican Order to identify the people who deserved medals and invitations to his inauguration.
https://www.npr.org/programs/fresh-air/

Teri Gross recently broadcast an interview on NPR with a photographer "embedded" with the rioters.
Worth a listen, some interesting takes from the journalist- many not at all what one might expect.

ETA The show from Feb. 25
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Old 27th February 2021, 12:19 PM   #3085
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Originally Posted by Distracted1 View Post
https://www.npr.org/programs/fresh-air/

Teri Gross recently broadcast an interview on NPR with a photographer "embedded" with the rioters.
Worth a listen, some interesting takes from the journalist- many not at all what one might expect.

ETA The show from Feb. 25
This one: https://www.wrvo.org/post/reporters-...lence#stream/0

Actual video here: https://www.newyorker.com/news/video...-capitol-siege (I know it may have been previously posted but . . . . )
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Old 27th February 2021, 05:51 PM   #3086
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Originally Posted by bruto View Post
I think they really thought they were the in crowd, with special privilege and that their leader would affirm it. The political philosophy of their leaders is a mishmash of Pealing platitudes, comic book vigilantism, Randian exceptionalism and decaffeinated Thoreau, culminating in what the author Frank Wilhoit characterizes as the single tenet of conservatism: that "there must be an in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, and out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
Although it's a common reference, I think most of today's "conservatives" are not, in fact, conservatives but hide behind that respectable label. Trump was/is no conservative. I'd guess damn few of the CPAC attendees are really conservative. In this, I think of conservatives as believing in fiscal restraint, personal responsibility, a cautious foreign policy, etc.

In contrast, most outspoken GOPers are gung-ho on military might expressed around the world bolstered by a seemingly unlimited budget, federalism only to the extent the states restrict abortion as much as possible and restrict guns as little as possible.

I suppose Mitt Romney is the closest Republican who stands by conservative values and he's persona non grata to Republicans from top leaders down to the mouth-breathers.
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Old 27th February 2021, 06:32 PM   #3087
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Been telling y'all for years: "Limited government" and "police can kill people on sight, based on their skin color" are entirely incompatible. The GOP is very specifically "limited government" for straight white christian men, especially wealthy ones.
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Old 27th February 2021, 06:52 PM   #3088
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Originally Posted by SezMe View Post
Although it's a common reference, I think most of today's "conservatives" are not, in fact, conservatives but hide behind that respectable label. Trump was/is no conservative. I'd guess damn few of the CPAC attendees are really conservative. In this, I think of conservatives as believing in fiscal restraint, personal responsibility, a cautious foreign policy, etc.

In contrast, most outspoken GOPers are gung-ho on military might expressed around the world bolstered by a seemingly unlimited budget, federalism only to the extent the states restrict abortion as much as possible and restrict guns as little as possible.

I suppose Mitt Romney is the closest Republican who stands by conservative values and he's persona non grata to Republicans from top leaders down to the mouth-breathers.
I would agree, and would have used a different term, but I was quoting. I think the persons passing
themselves off as conservative are radical reactionaries.

e.t.a. I also agree with Mumbles. The supposed advocates of limited government do not want limited government at all. Their idea of "limited" government is that of dictators: Limited not in power but in complexity and cost.
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Old 27th February 2021, 07:18 PM   #3089
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Originally Posted by SezMe View Post
Although it's a common reference, I think most of today's "conservatives" are not, in fact, conservatives but hide behind that respectable label. Trump was/is no conservative. I'd guess damn few of the CPAC attendees are really conservative. In this, I think of conservatives as believing in fiscal restraint, personal responsibility, a cautious foreign policy, etc.

In contrast, most outspoken GOPers are gung-ho on military might expressed around the world bolstered by a seemingly unlimited budget, federalism only to the extent the states restrict abortion as much as possible and restrict guns as little as possible.

I suppose Mitt Romney is the closest Republican who stands by conservative values and he's persona non grata to Republicans from top leaders down to the mouth-breathers.
The so called "conservative" ideology has been spoiled almost from day one. This dates me, but whatever. The first politician who ran on this idea of limited government and truly embraced the "conservative" label was Barry Goldwater. Goldwater was hawkish and against almost all social programs. But wouldn't give a damn if you were atheist or gay or a minority. That was the individual's choice. A true conservative right up until 1980 would be pro-choice, have no problem with civil or gay rights.

It was Reagan's alliance with the Christian right in 1980 that changed that. But Reagan himself didn't care or even like the alliance.

Today conservatism is really some bizarre Christian nationalism. More akin to NAZIsm than it is true conservativism.
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Old 1st March 2021, 05:25 AM   #3090
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ederal investigators probing the death of a U.S. Capitol Police officer killed in the Jan. 6 riot have zeroed in on a suspect seen on video appearing to spray a chemical substance on the officer before he later collapsed and died, two people familiar with the matter told The Associated Press.

The FBI has obtained video that shows the person spraying Brian Sicknick and other law enforcement officers during the Jan. 6 riot, the people said. But they cautioned that federal agents haven’t yet identified the suspect by name and the act hasn’t been directly tied to Sicknick’s death.
https://apnews.com/article/capitol-s...9bcf8db70a4c3f

Seems tenuous, but it'll be extremely funny if some CHUD catches a murder charge for spraying a cop with a less-lethal weapon. Imagine getting a life sentence for accidentally killing a cop with bear spray while your fellow CHUDs are getting lesser charges for beating them with flagpoles and fire extinguishers.
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Old 1st March 2021, 05:40 AM   #3091
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The so called "conservative" ideology has been spoiled almost from day one. This dates me, but whatever. The first politician who ran on this idea of limited government and truly embraced the "conservative" label was Barry Goldwater. Goldwater was hawkish and against almost all social programs. But wouldn't give a damn if you were atheist or gay or a minority. That was the individual's choice. A true conservative right up until 1980 would be pro-choice, have no problem with civil or gay rights.

It was Reagan's alliance with the Christian right in 1980 that changed that. But Reagan himself didn't care or even like the alliance.

Today conservatism is really some bizarre Christian nationalism. More akin to NAZIsm than it is true conservativism.

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Reelected in 1958, Goldwater opposed social welfare programs and continued to criticize the Supreme Court on its school integration stance. He voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964. King said of Goldwater’s voting record, “While not himself a racist, Mr. Goldwater articulates a philosophy which gives aid and comfort to the racists.” (King, 16 July 1964).
Goldwater, Barry M. (Stanford University, The Martin Luther King, Jr. Research and Education Institute)

That seems to encapsulate the difference between conservatives and Nazis.
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Old 3rd March 2021, 11:00 PM   #3092
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Congress cancels Thursday sessions for fear of new attack on the Capitol. After all, it's supposed to be the day of Trump's inaugural.
https://www.npr.org/2021/03/03/97331...ck-on-congress
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Congress cancels Thursday sessions for fear of new attack on the Capitol. After all, it's supposed to be the day of Trump's inaugural.
https://www.npr.org/2021/03/03/97331...ck-on-congress
what more proof do you need?
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
https://apnews.com/article/capitol-s...9bcf8db70a4c3f

Seems tenuous, but it'll be extremely funny if some CHUD catches a murder charge for spraying a cop with a less-lethal weapon. Imagine getting a life sentence for accidentally killing a cop with bear spray while your fellow CHUDs are getting lesser charges for beating them with flagpoles and fire extinguishers.
If/when they find him I'm sure they can prosecute for the bear spray incident. More than that will really depend on the autopsy.

But if you shove someone down and they die from a brain injury, it doesn't matter that a thousand people before you pushed a person down and the person didn't die.

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If/when they find him I'm sure they can prosecute for the bear spray incident. More than that will really depend on the autopsy.

But if you shove someone down and they die from a brain injury, it doesn't matter that a thousand people before you pushed a person down and the person didn't die.
Seems like a real longshot, but if this is what happens, it's like a real life example of someone rolling a critical failure in D&D.
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U.S. suspends federal agent who joined crowd outside Capitol during rampage, lawyer says

One of Ibrahim’s lawyers, Gretchen Gaspari, said DEA officials told Ibrahim that they were putting him on leave and suspending his security clearance “because of his presence on Jan. 6.”

She said Ibrahim, who was off duty but carrying his service weapon at the time, was part of the crowd outside the Capitol as Trump supporters stormed the building in a bid to stop Congress from certifying Democrat Joe Biden’s presidential election victory.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...KCN2AV2XC?il=0

First fed implicated.
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My boy straight-up not having a good time. You hate to see it.

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!! WHOA: US Capitol defendant Richard Barnett -- man accused of putting feet on Pelosi desk - is *screaming* at attorneys and judge during his court hearing right now.

Upset he's been locked up "for a whole month"... "it's not fair"

Judge just recessed hearing for "5 mins"
https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/s...95714968920069
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My boy straight-up not having a good time. You hate to see it.



https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/s...95714968920069
He's just being affected by evil liberal cancel culture. He should go free. /s
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My boy straight-up not having a good time. You hate to see it.



https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/s...95714968920069
Fortunately the police rushed to restrain him five hours later.
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Gaspari said Ibrahim was outside the Capitol because “it was a historic event.” She said he did not pass a set of metal barricades outside the building that were quickly overrun by the crowd.
Not defending the guy, but if he didn't actually cross the barriers, let alone enter the Capitol, he might not have done anything wrong legally.
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Not defending the guy, but if he didn't actually cross the barriers, let alone enter the Capitol, he might not have done anything wrong legally.
I'm assuming a fed would have the good sense to not make a statement that incriminates himself.
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I'm assuming a fed would have the good sense to not make a statement that incriminates himself.
Well, if he's lying there's a good chance that there's a video to prove it.
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Fortunately the police rushed to restrain him five hours later.
Well done, again.
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"Bullhorn Lady" Rachel Powell gets 8 count felony indictment, including weapons and violence charges. She was armed with a wooden pole and an ice axe and is also charged for breaking a window to enter the building.

https://beta.documentcloud.org/docum...4-rachelpowell
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If/when they find him I'm sure they can prosecute for the bear spray incident. More than that will really depend on the autopsy.

But if you shove someone down and they die from a brain injury, it doesn't matter that a thousand people before you pushed a person down and the person didn't die.
I'd charge every single person present there as accessories. Attacking the heart of your country's democracy should not deserve any mercy or quarter.
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From the link:

Not defending the guy, but if he didn't actually cross the barriers, let alone enter the Capitol, he might not have done anything wrong legally.
He's also not charged with any crimes:
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A DEA spokeswoman declined to comment on Ibrahim’s suspension. He has not been charged with a crime.
His security clearance is an issue.

These agencies are trying to clean right-wing extremists from their ranks. This is as bad or worse than some of the suspensions/firings over FB posts.

And nothing like calling attention to yourself:
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Ibrahim worked in a DEA office in the Los Angeles suburbs. Gaspari said he had turned in his resignation before Jan. 6, but withdrew it before it took effect.
And: Federal Agent Sends His Capitol Pics To DEA Chat Group - Gets Suspended - Loses Gun & Badge

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Maj. Gen. William Walker did something a bit out of the ordinary. He didn't feign confusion over details of timing or make pitiful asides about technocratic details of bureaucratic procedure. He did the subtle equivalent of holding up a piece of paper with his boss's face on it with "talk to this guy (and his boss, too!)" under it.
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Trump State Dept. appointee arrested for Capitol assault:
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Federico Klein was arrested Thursday in Virginia, an FBI spokesperson said.
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The FBI says in court documents that Klein can be seen resisting officers, attempting to take items from them, and assaulting them with a riot shield. The documents allege he “violently shoved the shield into an officer’s body in an attempt to breach the police line."
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The court documents say Klein was working at the State Department on Jan. 6, possessed top-secret security clearance and resigned Jan. 19.

Government records show Klein worked on Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign and was hired at the State Department in January 2017.

Government files show that at least into 2020, Klein was serving as a political appointee at the State Department as a special assistant in the Bureau of Western Hemisphere Affairs.
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Trump State Dept. appointee arrested for Capitol assault:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fo...id=mailsignout
Obviously, another Antifa plant.
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My boy straight-up not having a good time. You hate to see it.



https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/s...95714968920069
Yeah, two things about this. One, it perfectly encapsulates the entitlement of people of a certain mindset. Two, calling a recess for 5 minutes seems like a mild reaction from the judge.
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Yeah, two things about this. One, it perfectly encapsulates the entitlement of people of a certain mindset. Two, calling a recess for 5 minutes seems like a mild reaction from the judge.
Courts as supposed to be impartial, but being a dick like this definitely puts a fat thumb on the scale in a negative way. This guy probably has a fair chance of getting released on bond pending trial, but having a freakout like this isn't going to help him one bit.
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Yeah, two things about this. One, it perfectly encapsulates the entitlement of people of a certain mindset. Two, calling a recess for 5 minutes seems like a mild reaction from the judge.

It reminds me of the woman who was filmed freaking out while being arrested, complaining that she was being treated like a black person.
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It reminds me of the woman who was filmed freaking out while being arrested, complaining that she was being treated like a black person.
I suspect she didn't say "black person."
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Is there a site devoted to keeping track of all the people arrested due to their involvement in Jan. 6? I've looked but haven't been successful.
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Old 6th March 2021, 10:31 PM   #3115
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Is there a site devoted to keeping track of all the people arrested due to their involvement in Jan. 6? I've looked but haven't been successful.
There is this from USA Today. Not sure if it is what you are looking for.
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Is there a site devoted to keeping track of all the people arrested due to their involvement in Jan. 6? I've looked but haven't been successful.
The DOJ website lists those arrested so far, including affidavits and indictments. It seems to grow nearly everyday.

Within that page there's this link to the FBI's BOLO for the jackasses they're still after.

Hope that helps.
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Is there a site devoted to keeping track of all the people arrested due to their involvement in Jan. 6? I've looked but haven't been successful.
There's also a Twitter channel that publicizes faces and information about those who have not yet been identified. They don't actually identify the people publicly and discourage their followers from doing do. They just post photos from Jan 6 of the people involved. Usually multiple photos from different times and locations (but all still from Jan 6 at the Capitol) with information about what the person was seen doing.

Information provided to them is then forwarded to Law Enforcement.

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There is this from USA Today. Not sure if it is what you are looking for.
That's good - if they keep it up to date. Thanks.
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Here's some background info from AP:

Officers maced, trampled: Docs expose depth of Jan. 6 chaos

https://apnews.com/article/docs-expo...8fb4e3c81258c3
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https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/s...95714968920069
Doesn't Barnett have a lawyer who has informed him that he is facing...let's see...add the two, carry the one...ah, yes...up to 42.5 years in prison? He has been indicted for, among other things, obstruction, aiding and abetting, and two weapons charges for carrying a stun gun walking stick. A month shouldn't be his worry at this point.

His lawyer also might want to remind him that he is on film committing these acts and is even on video boasting about them, including theft of government property. That's a tough rap tp beat. His only hope is jury nullification, which unfortunately is actually possible in these cases. But with the charges he is facing even that is going to be tough.

His lawyer might want to let him know to not make any summer vacation plans just yet.
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