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Old 27th November 2022, 09:03 AM   #241
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
Please be specific.

I already was, as related to this investigation and perhaps others. Fantastic opportunities for smear campaigns, I'd say.

Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
The more I think about this, the more of an opportunity this seems. I mean, they don't even need to find any real evidence of corruption. They just need to time the "investigation" properly, and market it well. I know a lot of Dems think midterms went great, but losing the House may end up being more costly than they think.

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Old 27th November 2022, 09:24 AM   #242
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
I already was, as related to this investigation and perhaps others. Fantastic opportunities for smear campaigns, I'd say.
And your belief that a) the investigations and potential smear campaigns will be successful and b) anyone cares about any of this is based on what exactly?

Also, I asked for specificity not vague generalizations, but whatever.
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Old 27th November 2022, 09:28 AM   #243
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
And your belief that a) the investigations and potential smear campaigns will be successful and b) anyone cares about any of this is based on what exactly?

This has already been discussed earlier in the thread, I believe. I can think of at least one recent election where smear efforts and investigations clearly influenced the outcome. So, I don't think anyone should underestimate the potential in this case.

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Old 27th November 2022, 09:49 AM   #244
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
This has already been discussed earlier in the thread, I believe. I can think of at least one recent election where smear efforts and investigations clearly influenced the outcome. So, I don't think anyone should underestimate the potential in this case.
Assuming youíre talking about the 2016 election, there were multiple variables involved that make drawing a straight line from investigations and smear campaigns to an election win for Republicans a rather simplistic read. And even if you want to assume that, the fact that getting Trump elected in 2016 cost Republicans three subsequent elections, Iíd hardly call that a net win for them.

So just to be clear: You think that Republicans using what little political capital they have to launch investigations into Hunter Biden led by the likes of Marjorie Taylor Greene is a politically savvy move? They should focus on this instead of crafting policies to help and appeal to the American public?
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Old 27th November 2022, 09:57 AM   #245
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
So just to be clear: You think that Republicans using what little political capital they have to launch investigations into Hunter Biden led by the likes of Marjorie Taylor Greene is a politically savvy move? They should focus on this instead of crafting policies to help and appeal to the American public?

I think it makes sense, based on the timing. Although I personally wouldn't suggest MTG to lead such an investigation. I've already discussed the reasons why, earlier in the thread.
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Old 27th November 2022, 10:00 AM   #246
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
I think it makes sense, based on the timing. Although I personally wouldn't suggest MTG to lead such an investigation. I've already discussed the reasons why, earlier in the thread.
I hate to break it to you, but itís the cranks pushing this crap, so itís the cranks who will be at the driverís wheel.

Do you think the American public in general will be receptive to these investigations? If so, why?
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Old 27th November 2022, 10:01 AM   #247
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
So just to be clear: You think that Republicans using what little political capital they have to launch investigations into Hunter Biden led by the likes of Marjorie Taylor Greene is a politically savvy move? They should focus on this instead of crafting policies to help and appeal to the American public?
In the GOP zero-sum game, they can only win by attacking their opponent. If they stooped to making policies of benefit to Americans, they might as well be Democrats.
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Old 27th November 2022, 10:01 AM   #248
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
Do you think the American public in general will be receptive to these investigations? If so, why?

Because it has clearly worked in the past. How many times must I repeat this?
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I think he implied some deep secrets are to be found in the laptop. But if there were some such secrets, they would have been found by now. Washington post, Fox, CBS and maybe some others have copies of the hard drive. But it is largely faked. So the FBI, if interrogated by the house, is not going to support any conclusions.

Hunter getting paid by Burisma is maybe a bit of unfair practice, but it is then Hunter and Burisma that are at fault. No recommendation by Joe or arm twisting of Ukraine was needed to get Hunter to Burisma. Take Burisma to court all you like, Republicans!
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Old 27th November 2022, 01:02 PM   #250
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Because it has clearly worked in the past. How many times must I repeat this?
Like Benghazi? Like Whitewater? Those worked real well.
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Old 27th November 2022, 01:14 PM   #251
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Like Benghazi?

Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. That stain is still on her to this day. It is a good example of how you don't need a successful investigation to pull off a lasting smear. If you repeat even a lie enough times, people will start to believe it.

A lot of people won't follow the Hunter investigation. All they need to do is know that there is one. They will automatically assume legitimacy. Now, you may say those people are stupid, but I would suggest that most voters are fairly casual. I mean, even a single snark-filled debate can sway them.

That's why I say the GOP needs to time and market this right.

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Old 27th November 2022, 02:54 PM   #252
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There you have it, folks. Warped republican't thinking regards sleaze as right and good. Honorable too? Well, if it succeeds it must be.

And it's even indelible, at least in their minds.
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Old 27th November 2022, 03:17 PM   #253
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There you have it, folks. Warped republican't thinking regards sleaze as right and good. Honorable too? Well, if it succeeds it must be.

And it's even indelible, at least in their minds.
Someone on another thread said:

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No surprise there, of course, but it certainly is an odd world, in which a person who, according to some threads, at least understands some motives for abortion, approves of sex education and birth control, and appreciates the value of a gay relative, is happy to support a party many of whose vociferous spokesmen absolutely oppose abortion, oppose sex education and birth control, and support the repression of homosexuality, the abolition of gay rights, and in some cases criminalization. . .
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
I hate to break it to you, but itís the cranks pushing this crap, so itís the cranks who will be at the driverís wheel.

Do you think the American public in general will be receptive to these investigations? If so, why?
Will it matter? We are talking, after all, of fools, hypocritical moralistic scolds and wannabe tyrants whose regard for such democratic frippery as "the public in general" is minimal if not downright negative. The driver cares little what goes on in the back of the bus.
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Of you read a little history you can see countless examples of political parties genning up fake controversy with their only consideration being whether the public, or part of it, will believe the ruse.

But the Republican's problem is, as we saw in the results of the last election, lots of people are being to get the idea that this sort of thing is the only thing they do.
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Old 27th November 2022, 06:42 PM   #256
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. That stain is still on her to this day. It is a good example of how you don't need a successful investigation to pull off a lasting smear. If you repeat even a lie enough times, people will start to believe it.
It's a good example of unethical and disgusting tactics...one used generously by the Republican Party. The party that (falsely) prides itself on family and Christian values.

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A lot of people won't follow the Hunter investigation. All they need to do is know that there is one. They will automatically assume legitimacy. Now, you may say those people are stupid, but I would suggest that most voters are fairly casual. I mean, even a single snark-filled debate can sway them.
"I mean, even a single snark-filled debate can sway them."

Which is why we "say those people are stupid".

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That's why I say the GOP needs to time and market this right.
Wow. Not even a minimum attempt to hide it anymore.
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Old 29th November 2022, 08:51 AM   #257
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Because it has clearly worked in the past. How many times must I repeat this?
Do you think Donald Trump winning in 2016 has been a net positive for Republicans?
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
Do you think Donald Trump winning in 2016 has been a net positive for Republicans?
You keep asking these questions. What answer are you looking for?
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You keep asking these questions. What answer are you looking for?
Call me a starry-eyed optimist, but I was hoping for an honest one.
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Call me a starry-eyed optimist, but I was hoping for an honest one.
You already know the honest answer.
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You already know the honest answer.



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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
Do you think Donald Trump winning in 2016 has been a net positive for Republicans?

That is irrelevant.

What is important is that a well-orchestrated smear campaign can reap political rewards.
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
That is irrelevant.

What is important is that a well-orchestrated smear campaign can reap political rewards.
Just ask Hitler!
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
That is irrelevant.

What is important is that a well-orchestrated smear campaign can reap political rewards.
Like what? Please be specific.
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Just ask Hitler!
Aye, there's the rub, though. It kind of depends on whether you measure it in 1940 or in 1945.

When your head lands in the basket it's not your political rewards that will be remembered.
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Since the florida guy gave the laptop to the FBI, I will not believe a word of the committee, unless they produce an actual laptop.
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After years of investigation and millions spent, I'm confident the GOP will be able to show that Hunter Biden may in fact have owned a laptop.
I think this wildly overestimates the IQ of these fascist trash
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Ugh, I hate that I'm the one posting this

Originally Posted by Elon Musk
What really happened with the Hunter Biden story suppression by Twitter will be published on Twitter at 5pm ET!

2:39 PM ∑ Dec 2, 2022
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Now I'm feeling pretty naive for thinking he'd have his **** together enough to actually release something.
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Now I'm feeling pretty naive for thinking he'd have his **** together enough to actually release something.
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Maybe the nothing being released is some subtle way of saying there was no suppression by Twitter in the first place.
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I guess this is supposed to be it?

https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598822959866683394

It appears to be, now brace yourselves, a hot mess.
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That is irrelevant.

What is important is that a well-orchestrated smear campaign can reap political rewards.
For example, it can lead the credulous to believe and repeat false claims that they will double down on if anyone asks them to back said claims up with evidence.
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I guess this is supposed to be it?

https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598822959866683394

It appears to be, now brace yourselves, a hot mess.
Well that was a wasted excursion down a bizarre rabbit hole.I read for ~15 minutes before realizing there was no there there.
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And Fox is running with Musk releasing something from the laptop. They are monitoring EM's Twitter feed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uBmab52TzI

Oh my word: The deep state, the left totally controlled Twitter, the left suppressed the laptop story, Mueller exonerated Trump—found no collusion, ... it's Benghazi all over again.
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Do you think the American public in general will be receptive to these investigations? If so, why?
I would wager it's the MAGA base that is the target audience.

The mistake these (recovered?) Trump cultists are making is playing the same game in the belief it will have the same outcome as 2016, or 2020 if they believe in the stolen election fantasy.

Clearly the GOP or should I call them the alt-GOP are going to run the Hunter Biden lie into the ground. We know because they've already started.
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Well that was a wasted excursion down a bizarre rabbit hole.I read for ~15 minutes before realizing there was no there there.
Itís stated purpose was transparency, but itís 95% narrative with a couple of no-context screenshots. Thatís not transparency. There are no original documents or first hand testimony. This is Musk and Co.ís perspective.
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Well that was a wasted excursion down a bizarre rabbit hole.I read for ~15 minutes before realizing there was no there there.
The funny bit is that even Taibbi seems to get bored while trying to build anticipation...

...he can't even bring himself to post Tweets 13, 14 and 15...LOL!
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As is being pointed out by a number of journalists, the tweets that people in the Biden team asked to be taken down were those of Hunter Biden making home-made porn, according to those who found the archived copies. Maybe this is not something that the Biden team should do, but I certainly would want Twitter to proactively take down tweets that a third party posted of someone's home-made porn.

Besides, the fact that there are a lot of tweets of people scratching their heads and wondering what to do with this seems to actually counter the narrative that they were trying desperately to get the Democrats to win.

(This reminds me of the climate-gate and lab-leak email exchanges where the emails look incriminating if you already have a conclusion that you wantt to be true and assume a lot is not being said in them but somehow happening off-stage.)

Of course, this kind of problem is over now, isn't it, because there are no moderators. Elon Musk just bans or reinstates people largely according to how he feels about them. I'm fine with him doing that, but it takes a lot of chutzpah or gullibility to claim that Musk has brought transparency and light and moderation and principles to Twitter.
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