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Old 20th October 2014, 12:57 PM   #1681
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Originally Posted by Squatchy McSquatch View Post
Hey gang New to the forum but familiar with the topic ........
.........and many of the posters

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Old 20th October 2014, 12:57 PM   #1682
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Old 20th October 2014, 12:58 PM   #1683
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I am and do have a question. How often does this occur? Does it occur 1%, 25%, 99%?
In what context?

As an example, every single mermaid sighting was and is a cognitive error or a ******** story.
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Old 20th October 2014, 01:05 PM   #1684
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Originally Posted by Northern Lights View Post
So it's a case of "don't believe your own lying eyes infrared viewer , but believe what you've been told?"
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Old 20th October 2014, 01:16 PM   #1686
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Hey gang New to the forum but familiar with the topic

Supposedly Roger and Bob shot the footage 47 years ago today.

I don't buy timeline for one bit, but Happy Paddy Day!!!
To paraphrase Spicolli, "I know this dude."
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Old 20th October 2014, 01:17 PM   #1687
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Originally Posted by Squatchy McSquatch View Post
Hey gang New to the forum but familiar with the topic

Supposedly Roger and Bob shot the footage 47 years ago today.

I don't buy timeline for one bit, but Happy Paddy Day!!!

Welcome, SMS, nice to see you here.
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Old 20th October 2014, 01:40 PM   #1688
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Welcome, SMS, nice to see you here.
So he is the same SMS from BFF. Great!
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I feel so out of the loop with goings on and new personalities at the BFF. (I'll get over it though.)
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Old 20th October 2014, 04:16 PM   #1690
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So it's a case of "don't believe your own lying eyes, but believe what you've been told?"
Did your eyes "lie to you" on any of these?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRCMdnCr6h0#t=96

Yes or no?
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Old 20th October 2014, 04:24 PM   #1691
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People misinterpret what they see all the time. Are you familiar with all the cognitive/memory biases NL?
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I am and do have a question. How often does this occur? Does it occur 1%, 25%, 99%?
Everything is filtered through one's brain, which actively patterns and associates it idiosyncratically, so the incidence of subjective bias is 100%. However, these variations are often trivial enough not to matter.

Put another way, subjectivity is bias, and individual humans are inescapably subjective. That's why science was invented--a strict methodology was required to test the objectivity of hypotheses about the world around us.

Just as implausible as the existence of bigfoot are bigfoot "knowers" who are as infallible as they seem to think they are.
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Old 20th October 2014, 06:09 PM   #1692
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When Billy Met Bobby

This is kind of awesome:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7zSeJsSLSs

Munns and Gimlin are looking at a 3-D creation of Munns' that shows Patterson and Patty moving through the scene at Bluff Creek. They appear to be in somebody's converted garage or something, and Meldrum pops in as well. It's like a neighborhood watch meeting at M.K. Davis's.

The little figures are kind of cool...in an 80's Nintendo sort of way, and at one point (3:02) there's a priceless comment that one of us might have made (Munns appears unamused).

It's very educational to watch Munns tell Gimlin what happened that day, kind of like he's the bank robber mastermind going through everyone's role in the big heist, and Gimlin is up.

Stick with it and you'll get Munns' theory as to why there were no tracks leading up to Patty's famous stroll (mmm, never thought about that, says Bob, who is still quick enough to offer that the October sun was about to set—it was already 12:30 p.m., donchaknow, so there wouldn't have been any time to look for prior prints, even if I had considered it before this moment.).

You'd think Munns wouldn't bring that up—that they only looked at prints from the point she appeared on film...hmmmm.

But he has a simple answer...

Patty had been frolicking along in the creek till she saw the boys!
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Old 21st October 2014, 05:03 AM   #1693
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Bill Munns isn't the only Hollywood FX guy that believes the PGF is real.

Doug Hudson does too. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1943106/?ref_=fn_al_nm_2

He did make a sasquatch suit and said his cost about $30K to make and still isn't on par with Patty.

What are the collective thoughts on another person with suit making experience saying Patty is real?
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Old 21st October 2014, 05:05 AM   #1694
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What are the collective thoughts on another person with suit making experience saying Patty is real?
Lot's of gullible folks out there.
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NL, are you saying that a private citizen, in this case Doug Hudson, has spent $30,000 on a bigfoot suit? Have you seen it and do you have an opinion on it? It seems inconcievable that even the the most gullible of believers would do this.
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According to the imdb link which NL provided, Hudson is supervising effects on a bigfoot film slated for release in 2015. My best guess is: that's the suit he's referring to, which cost 30k.

"Still isn't on par with Patty" is a fantastically subjective call, however, depending as it does on a shaky, blurry, blown-up, zoomed-in pixellated copy of a 45-year-old print! It's like a photographic Rorschach test, open to wild variations in interpretation and opinion.
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Old 21st October 2014, 06:50 AM   #1697
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Originally Posted by Northern Lights View Post
Bill Munns isn't the only Hollywood FX guy that believes the PGF is real.

Doug Hudson does too. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1943106/?ref_=fn_al_nm_2

He did make a sasquatch suit and said his cost about $30K to make and still isn't on par with Patty.

What are the collective thoughts on another person with suit making experience saying Patty is real?
I'll bet if he films it with the equipment and in the manner that Roger Patterson did, it'll look swell.
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I personally asked him to clarify. We will see what happens.

His FB page does make it look like he might be a footer. I don't know how much of that is marketing.

https://www.facebook.com/doug.hudson.18?fref=ts
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NL, you totally ignore the fact that the majority of FX people who've weighed in on the PGF have called it as it is: bollocks. A guy spends 30k on a suit and says it's "not on par with Patty?" That's like the saddest thing I've heard all week.
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Old 21st October 2014, 07:12 AM   #1700
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NL, are you saying that a private citizen, in this case Doug Hudson, has spent $30,000 on a bigfoot suit? Have you seen it and do you have an opinion on it? It seems inconcievable that even the the most gullible of believers would do this.
Well, he appears to be in charge of the costume on an upcoming Sasquatch movie. Does that in itself make him an expert on the PGF?

Number one, His credits are a bit sparse lately; nothing against him, but to throw him out there as just another big-time special effects artist is a bit cruel.

Number two, that kind of comment is good for business (wow, Patty is so REAL! Our movie might not be as far-fetched as you think! Its story could happen to YOU!).

Number three, he couldn't make a Patty suit for $30,000? Well, look at his Bigfoot suit. Maybe it wasn't enough money to buy ALL the fake fur on the West Coast for it?
bigfoot%2Brental%2Bsuit.jpg

Number four, you can rent one of his suits from him. Not everyone can be a superstar, but I don't think there's a 1-800-RICK-BAKER.

Number five, his gallery (at the above site) heavily features static, taxidermy-style pieces. Not a lot of things that move. Hmmmm....does that sound like anyone else we know?

Number six, he appears to be a bit of a Footer himself, it seems.

In short, this is a Bill Munns Mini-Me. Can't make a Patty costume for $30,000? It's obvious he hasn't even tried, and won't...it's bad for Bigfooot business. What's so humorous is that his costume is so horrible yet it's hailed by the Footers as magnificent, because it's made by a guy with movie credits who says Patty is real.

Really...look at that costume. Is it the worst, most dated furry you've ever seen? Footers aren't serious about this whole Patty thing. Putting this guy out there makes it obvious.
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http://www.mcavenedesigns.com/Bigfoot/bigfoot_1.htm

Why not just buy and modify this suit?
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Well, it's only for production rental.
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Or this suit?

http://www.mcavenedesigns.com/Bigfoot/bigfoot_2.htm
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Well, it's only for production rental.
An offer of $10K wouldn't work?

That's a lot less than $30K.
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/265578...h/11397258413/

Looks like it has two different expressions...
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/265578...h/11397258413/

Looks like it has two different expressions...
Starring Ryan Gosling as Bigfoot.
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This Hudson guy seems to contradict himself toward the end of the interview.

"Big ass feet on, he had to clear the ground...ya know to step forward so it matched...and then so I started thinkin..well maybe...ya know maybe the Patterson/Gimlin thing is a fake, I don't know...but...I don't know,I..I hope it's real" 6:58-7:12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgsO8fpVo3chttp://

Why all this talk of fake fur when the majority of the old ape suits hanging around Hollywood were made of fur? If Patterson (or whomever) built or piecemealed a suit in my opinion it would have been made out of fur.

http://www.hollywoodgorillamen.com/2...arzan-and.html


I like the one with its back to the camera, hangs nice. Think it's in hollywood gorillamen also.



I think the Tarzan Finds a Son suits are awesome, find three of those and someone who can sew leather, sky's the limit. Come to think of it rumor has it Patterson was pretty good with leather, LOL.

http://www.hollywoodgorillamen.com/s...&by-date=false


Add a little blur.



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Originally Posted by Northern Lights View Post
Bill Munns isn't the only Hollywood FX guy that believes the PGF is real.

Doug Hudson does too. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1943106/?ref_=fn_al_nm_2

He did make a sasquatch suit and said his cost about $30K to make and still isn't on par with Patty.

What are the collective thoughts on another person with suit making experience saying Patty is real?

So - are we getting a professional opinion from a man who looked at all the various close up and slow motion iterations of the film - or are we getting regurgitated Munns?

IMHO - he doesn't speak on his own authority on what he personally saw in the movie - he just states that he worked with Munns and then rattles off the usual Munns nonsense about the suit that Munns obviously filled his head with.

I would give this man much more credit if he came here - or at least the BFF2 (where there are still a few good critical thinkers) - and laid out his own specific experience with viewing the PGF and how he came to his conclusions.

Academy award winner Chris Walas and the very well respected Verne Langdon both gave their opinions backed by their specific observations on the BFF1 and took their lumps from the PGF fan-club.

Until we get more than what we see on that You-tube video - I give this man's opinion little credence.
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This Hudson guy seems to contradict himself toward the end of the interview.

"Big ass feet on, he had to clear the ground...ya know to step forward so it matched...and then so I started thinkin..well maybe...ya know maybe the Patterson/Gimlin thing is a fake, I don't know...but...I don't know,I..I hope it's real" 6:58-7:12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgsO8fpVo3chttp://

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At 8:58 Hudson claims furcloth (he calls it regular funfur) is rigid like carpet and doesn't move.

I wonder where he got that idea?
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So - are we getting a professional opinion from a man who looked at all the various close up and slow motion iterations of the film - or are we getting regurgitated Munns?

IMHO - he doesn't speak on his own authority on what he personally saw in the movie - he just states that he worked with Munns and then rattles off the usual Munns nonsense about the suit that Munns obviously filled his head with.

I would give this man much more credit if he came here - or at least the BFF2 (where there are still a few good critical thinkers) - and laid out his own specific experience with viewing the PGF and how he came to his conclusions.

Academy award winner Chris Walas and the very well respected Verne Langdon both gave their opinions backed by their specific observations on the BFF1 and took their lumps from the PGF fan-club.

Until we get more than what we see on that You-tube video - I give this man's opinion little credence.

I've been in contact with both of those gentlemen before, class acts. Verne Langdon in particular was very engaging and knowledgeable about the industry during those days. I enjoyed debating with Lloyd Pye about the Minnesota iceman a while back. Verne was a great source of information concerning that whole thing, and was why I originally contacted him.
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