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Old 15th March 2017, 09:10 AM   #481
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Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
Yeah what's a little death and pestilence compared to a solid, hearty laugh?
Laughter is the best medicine especially if you have appendicitis.
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Old 15th March 2017, 10:59 AM   #482
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Originally Posted by wareyin View Post
You seem pretty clear that the killing of Bin Laden was a "douche move" and/or "dickishness". That sure sounds like you have complaints.
Suit yourself. As they say in the old country, "com gosto não se discute".
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Old 15th March 2017, 11:10 AM   #483
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Suit yourself. As they say in the old country, "com gosto não se discute".
To each his own, indeed. It still surprises me to see the complete 180 conservatives have done on everything from Russia to Presidential golf trips to now even killing Bin Laden, but I suppose it shouldn't.
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Old 15th March 2017, 11:14 AM   #484
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Originally Posted by Stacko View Post
Alcohol. He was thinking of alcohol.


Wait, no, he wasn't thinking at all.
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Old 15th March 2017, 11:24 AM   #485
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Alcohol and pharma groups have been quietly backing anti-marijuana efforts across the US as calls for legalization ramp up.
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Marijuana legalization will unleash misery on Arizona, according to a wave of television ads that started rolling out across the state last month. Replete with ominous music, the advertisements feature lawmakers and teachers who paint a bleak future for Arizona’s children if voters approve Proposition 205, a measure that would allow people aged 21 and over to possess an ounce of pot and grow up to six plants for recreational use.

“Colorado schools were promised millions in new revenues” when the state approved recreational pot use, says the voiceover in one ad. Instead, schoolchildren were plagued by “marijuana edibles that look like candy”.
It's always about someone's profits.
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Old 15th March 2017, 11:37 AM   #486
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Originally Posted by wareyin View Post
To each his own, indeed. It still surprises me to see the complete 180 conservatives have done on everything from Russia to Presidential golf trips to now even killing Bin Laden, but I suppose it shouldn't.
If you're looking for a 180 on the bin Laden thing, you're looking in the wrong place. I think it should be possible for us to discuss our understanding of the role and prerogatives of the presidency, and even disagree about those things, without trying to co-opt each other's views into bogus point-scoring narratives.

I'd appreciate it if you actually made a good faith effort to understand my views, and if you don't succeed, be content with not understanding. To force your own desired conclusion about my beliefs from the beginning of the conversation, is offensive and counter-productive. Do you want more Trump? Because that's kinda how you get more Trump.
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Old 15th March 2017, 11:45 AM   #487
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Originally Posted by wareyin View Post
To each his own, indeed. It still surprises me to see the complete 180 conservatives have done on everything from Russia to Presidential golf trips to now even killing Bin Laden, but I suppose it shouldn't.
Exactly. There were never any actual principles involved, so there really isn't any surprise.
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Old 15th March 2017, 11:48 AM   #488
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Originally Posted by quadraginta View Post
He's already told us. He's thinks Trump is pulling off a beautiful Machiavellian act of genius.

Just pretending to be a clueless nitwit while he distracts everyone from anything that might actually cause him trouble.
And being a pathological liar is now an admirable thing, apparently.
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Old 15th March 2017, 12:20 PM   #489
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
If you're looking for a 180 on the bin Laden thing, you're looking in the wrong place. I think it should be possible for us to discuss our understanding of the role and prerogatives of the presidency, and even disagree about those things, without trying to co-opt each other's views into bogus point-scoring narratives.

I'd appreciate it if you actually made a good faith effort to understand my views, and if you don't succeed, be content with not understanding. To force your own desired conclusion about my beliefs from the beginning of the conversation, is offensive and counter-productive. Do you want more Trump? Because that's kinda how you get more Trump.
I asked for clarification. You repeated your view, but changed douche move to dickishness. If you didn't mean to apply that to the killing of Bin Laden, you could have said so. As it is, all I can do is go by what you did say, and I notice that rather than amend or explain your original statement, you ask me to make a good faith effort to understand it.

I think I do understand it.
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Old 15th March 2017, 12:38 PM   #490
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Turns out, he skipped that line when he actually gave the speach, but I have no doubt that is how he really feels. Prepare to see arrests in Colorado, etc., or some other Federal move to punish the rouge states who are going down the legalization path.
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Old 15th March 2017, 05:01 PM   #491
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Originally Posted by trustbutverify View Post
Exactly. There were never any actual principles involved, so there really isn't any surprise.
I think you are incorrect.

There have been principles. Only now we see who is willing to abandon them.
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Old 15th March 2017, 08:21 PM   #492
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Originally Posted by MuDPhuD View Post
Turns out, he skipped that line when he actually gave the speach, but I have no doubt that is how he really feels. Prepare to see arrests in Colorado, etc., or some other Federal move to punish the rouge states who are going down the legalization path.

There's no need to tease them about their makeup, no matter how depraved they are.
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Old 16th March 2017, 04:40 PM   #493
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Originally Posted by LSSBB View Post
I think you are incorrect.

There have been principles. Only now we see who is willing to abandon them.
With a few notable exceptions, I believe the only authentic Republican principle (in the tea-party age) has been nothing more than pure self interest. Period.
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Old 17th March 2017, 05:40 PM   #494
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This is an interesting wrinkle.

Fired U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara Said to Have Been Investigating HHS Secretary Tom Price

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Former U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara, who was removed from his post by the Trump administration last week, was overseeing an investigation into stock trades made by the president’s health secretary, according to a person familiar with the office.

Tom Price, head of the Department of Health and Human Services, came under scrutiny during his confirmation hearings for investments he made while serving in Congress. The Georgia lawmaker traded hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of shares in health-related companies, even as he voted on and sponsored legislation affecting the industry.

Price testified at the time that his trades were lawful and transparent. Democrats accused him of potentially using his office to enrich himself. One lawmaker called for an investigation by the Securities and Exchange Commission, citing concerns Price could have violated the STOCK Act, a 2012 law signed by President Obama that clarified that members of Congress cannot use nonpublic information for profit and requires them to promptly disclose their trades.

The investigation of Price’s trades by the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York, which hasn’t been previously disclosed, was underway at the time of Bharara’s dismissal, said the person.

Bharara was one of 46 U.S. attorneys asked to resign after Trump took office. It is standard for new presidents to replace those officials with their own appointees. But Bharara’s firing came as a surprise because the president had met with him at Trump Tower soon after the election. As he left that meeting, Bharara told reporters Trump asked if he would be prepared to remain in his post, and said that he had agreed to stay on.
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Old 17th March 2017, 06:55 PM   #495
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Originally Posted by Stacko View Post
I believe the phrase is "lock him up".
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