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Old 3rd March 2017, 09:10 PM   #321
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
The sessions spokesperson called the discussion "short and informal". Your post is speculative on the subject matter, and why it was brought up. There are equally speculative reasons on why it wasn't.
Your posts suggest you are completely ignoring the news. But then, why should you watch it?
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Old 3rd March 2017, 09:20 PM   #322
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
And I'm saying there isn't enough to "investigate" if we mean warrants, wiretaps, requests to the NSA, etc.
We all understand that you support Trump and voted for him, therefore do not want any investigations that might bring out things that put him and his team in a bad light.
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Old 3rd March 2017, 09:21 PM   #323
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Your posts suggest you are completely ignoring the news. But then, why should you watch it?
I must be ignoring because I haven't seen anybody with knowledge of the conversation say that hacking was discussed.
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Old 3rd March 2017, 09:23 PM   #324
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We all understand that you support Trump and voted for him, therefore do not want any investigations that might bring out things that put him and his team in a bad light.
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I don't think you will find many posts where I supported one of his policies or as a human being.sunmaster can tell you all the times I called him a fake libertarian for backing Trump.
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Old 3rd March 2017, 09:44 PM   #325
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Have you heard something?
I wonder if there's a NAMBLA chapter in Moscow.
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I wonder if there's a NAMBLA chapter in Moscow.
Naw, it's the North American Man/Boy Love Association, so we are mostly in the US and Canada. Honestly, it isn't about discriminating by nationality though, it's more about how far I'm willing to drive.
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From the outside looking in. It doesn't seem to be the meetings even that are the cause for concern. They may very well only have been discussing harmless things, although given the overall atmosphere during the election campaign that seems unlikely. However unless the conversations were recorded we will never know. What is a cause for concern is the automatic response of bad politicians (Democrat as well as Republican to be fair) to lie and prevaricate if they even think something will reflect badly on them. It is the same here in the UK with politicians of all parties. Unfortunately for all of them the truth will out and it just makes them look more shifty, more untrustworthy and therefore more likely to have to spend more time with their families.
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Old 4th March 2017, 03:53 AM   #328
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Originally Posted by Parsman View Post
From the outside looking in. It doesn't seem to be the meetings even that are the cause for concern. They may very well only have been discussing harmless things, although given the overall atmosphere during the election campaign that seems unlikely. However unless the conversations were recorded we will never know. What is a cause for concern is the automatic response of bad politicians (Democrat as well as Republican to be fair) to lie and prevaricate if they even think something will reflect badly on them. It is the same here in the UK with politicians of all parties. Unfortunately for all of them the truth will out and it just makes them look more shifty, more untrustworthy and therefore more likely to have to spend more time with their families.
I agree, it's usually not the *thing* that does for politicians but rather the lying and cover-up relating to the *thing*.
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Old 4th March 2017, 06:27 AM   #329
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Another phony, invented "scandal" by sore-loser Democrats. He never spoke to any Russian rep as a member of the Trump campaign or about the campaign. As a long-time, influential member of the Foreign Affairs Committee, of course he spoke with ambassadors, their deputies, etc., rather frequently.

One of the so-called "meetings" was when the Russian came up and shook Sessions' hand after he gave a speech! That's a "meeting"?!
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Old 4th March 2017, 06:34 AM   #330
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Originally Posted by bobtaftfan View Post
Another phony, invented "scandal" by sore-loser Democrats. He never spoke to any Russian rep as a member of the Trump campaign or about the campaign. As a long-time, influential member of the Foreign Affairs Committee, of course he spoke with ambassadors, their deputies, etc., rather frequently.

One of the so-called "meetings" was when the Russian came up and shook Sessions' hand after he gave a speech! That's a "meeting"?!
I don't know. I think the politicians have done a good job honing in on the perjury aspect. The content of the meetings isn't at the core of their accusation.
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Old 4th March 2017, 06:41 AM   #331
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Having Russian contacts is not such good evidence of treason. You do know, I suppose, that we are not at war with Russia?

Let me be explicit: the degree of involvement between Trump's camp and Russia during a campaign in which Russia attempted to influence the outcome using devious methods is very, very troubling. But some of these contacts were bugged by the intelligence services and there does not yet appear to be a smoking gun regarding collusion. Maybe it will come out, but it hasn't yet.

So, no, the fact that Trump's guys had contact with Russia is not good evidence of treason. Totally worth looking into, but not evidence of treason.
Not proof, perhaps, but certainly evidence. More than enough for me. And certainly enough that he should be removed from power until innocence can be shown. The integrity of our political process demands it.

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Explain that last line. Who has lost their lives while pursuing the Trump/Russia connection? Who, aside from political appointees, have lost their jobs? I'm not trying to be unfriendly here, but I've honestly no idea who you mean. Thanks.
At least 3 Russians have been arrested for treason by Putin who are supposed to be important sources for information about the Trump/Russian Connection

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/w...tion.html?_r=0

And several Russians with possible connections to various disclosures about Trump have turned up dead:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-donald-trump/

http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/02/ru...n-their-place/

http://abcnews.go.com/International/...sador-45624185

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-diplomat.html

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...35625?cmpid=sf

Not smoking gun proof, but a very familiar and suspicious pattern/cluster.

And lets not forget Christopher Steele, now in hiding over his part in making public negative information about Trump.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-38591382

Has he even been heard from since?

And yes, there has been confirmation of at least parts of the dossier's contents.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/10/politi...ossier-update/

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38589427

Read that last link very very carefully. It's not just about Trump's alleged sexcapades, it's about major intelligence investigations involving Russian banks covertly transacting business to help Trump's campaign.
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Old 4th March 2017, 06:47 AM   #332
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At least we got that out in the open. Now all we need is a catchphrase equivalent to "Benghazi!"

I didn't like it when they did it to Hillary and I don't much like it now.
1) Tallking about Trump, not Hillary.

2) Unlike Benghazi, there is substantial evidence to support the claim of Trump's treasonous collusion with Russia. So much so that 16 intelligence and Law Enforcement agencies agreed it needed looking into.
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Old 4th March 2017, 06:57 AM   #333
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Originally Posted by bobtaftfan View Post
Another phony, invented "scandal" by sore-loser Democrats. He never spoke to any Russian rep as a member of the Trump campaign or about the campaign. As a long-time, influential member of the Foreign Affairs Committee, of course he spoke with ambassadors, their deputies, etc., rather frequently.

One of the so-called "meetings" was when the Russian came up and shook Sessions' hand after he gave a speech! That's a "meeting"?!
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...35625?cmpid=sf

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...nvoy/98630456/
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Old 4th March 2017, 07:00 AM   #334
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Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive View Post
None of those make the claim that sessions discussed the election with the Russians.
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Old 4th March 2017, 07:07 AM   #335
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Originally Posted by bobtaftfan View Post
Another phony, invented "scandal" by sore-loser Democrats. He never spoke to any Russian rep as a member of the Trump campaign or about the campaign. As a long-time, influential member of the Foreign Affairs Committee, of course he spoke with ambassadors, their deputies, etc., rather frequently.

One of the so-called "meetings" was when the Russian came up and shook Sessions' hand after he gave a speech! That's a "meeting"?!
You might be right, but you might be wrong. How about we see what we can learn about the two conversations?

I think it's entirely plausible that these two conversations were part of his duties as a senator. It's a little difficult to understand why he claimed to have never met with the Russians, but we might give him a few yards of the benefit of the doubt and think he meant as a Trump surrogate.

Let's wait and see what was talked about, if we can learn that. It's certainly not obvious that we can learn it, but it would be mighty interesting if so,
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Old 4th March 2017, 07:07 AM   #336
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I don't think you will find many posts where I supported one of his policies or as a human being.sunmaster can tell you all the times I called him a fake libertarian for backing Trump.
I can certainly attest to the fact that Bob is quite anti-Trump. Bob is one of those "principled" libertarians who is ecstatic that his candidate got 4% of the popular vote and hopes that by the day he dies a libertarian candidate might get as high as 5 or 6%.
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Old 4th March 2017, 07:39 AM   #337
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None of those make the claim that sessions discussed the election with the Russians.
And the question Sessions was asked in committee didn't ask if he had discussed the elections, just if he had any contact with Russian officials at all. He said clearly "No". We have the video tape showing this so why are you trying to run with Trump apologists on this matter?
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And the question Sessions was asked in committee didn't ask if he had discussed the elections, just if he had any contact with Russian officials at all. He said clearly "No". We have the video tape showing this so why are you trying to run with Trump apologists on this matter?
Actually, no. The question never even asked if he had contacts, just what would he do if someone did. He volunteered that he didn't.
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Old 4th March 2017, 07:44 AM   #339
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And the question Sessions was asked in committee didn't ask if he had discussed the elections, just if he had any contact with Russian officials at all. He said clearly "No". We have the video tape showing this so why are you trying to run with Trump apologists on this matter?
Because the conversation I am replying to are posts 329, 333, and 334. 329s main thrust is that he did not talk about the campaign. 333 only cited sources that did not accuse sessions of talking about the campaign. My post 334 pointed out that fact.

It is not an apology of anything but a critique on a misinterpreted post 329.
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Originally Posted by bobtaftfan View Post
Another phony, invented "scandal" by sore-loser Democrats. He never spoke to any Russian rep as a member of the Trump campaign or about the campaign. As a long-time, influential member of the Foreign Affairs Committee, of course he spoke with ambassadors, their deputies, etc., rather frequently.

One of the so-called "meetings" was when the Russian came up and shook Sessions' hand after he gave a speech! That's a "meeting"?!
He has never been a member of the Foreign Affairs Committee. He's been on Armed Services, Budget, Environment and Public Works & Judiciary.
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From the outside looking in. It doesn't seem to be the meetings even that are the cause for concern. They may very well only have been discussing harmless things, although given the overall atmosphere during the election campaign that seems unlikely. However unless the conversations were recorded we will never know. What is a cause for concern is the automatic response of bad politicians (Democrat as well as Republican to be fair) to lie and prevaricate if they even think something will reflect badly on them. It is the same here in the UK with politicians of all parties. Unfortunately for all of them the truth will out and it just makes them look more shifty, more untrustworthy and therefore more likely to have to spend more time with their families.
It's one thing to hedge about something politically incorrect. It's quite another when multiple top members in a campaign have ties and contact with a foreign government which hacked into the opponent's emails and was involved in interfering in the election. Denying any such contacts occurred or ties exist takes on a different meaning.

Keep in mind Trump has said on numerous occasions not one person in his campaign had contact with any Russians (several of said contacts cannot credibly be thought to have occurred without Trump knowing) and Trump denies any business or financial ties to Russia when many such ties have been uncovered.

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Originally Posted by bobtaftfan View Post
Another phony, invented "scandal" by sore-loser Democrats. He never spoke to any Russian rep as a member of the Trump campaign or about the campaign. As a long-time, influential member of the Foreign Affairs Committee, of course he spoke with ambassadors, their deputies, etc., rather frequently.

One of the so-called "meetings" was when the Russian came up and shook Sessions' hand after he gave a speech! That's a "meeting"?!
You might want to turn your filter off. You've missed a whole slew of details there.
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He has never been a member of the Foreign Affairs Committee. He's been on Armed Services, Budget, Environment and Public Works & Judiciary.
pffffffffffft. alternative facts
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Old 4th March 2017, 09:42 AM   #344
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Not proof, perhaps, but certainly evidence. More than enough for me. And certainly enough that he should be removed from power until innocence can be shown. The integrity of our political process demands it.



At least 3 Russians have been arrested for treason by Putin who are supposed to be important sources for information about the Trump/Russian Connection

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/w...tion.html?_r=0

And several Russians with possible connections to various disclosures about Trump have turned up dead:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-donald-trump/

http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/02/ru...n-their-place/

http://abcnews.go.com/International/...sador-45624185

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-diplomat.html

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...35625?cmpid=sf

Not smoking gun proof, but a very familiar and suspicious pattern/cluster.

And lets not forget Christopher Steele, now in hiding over his part in making public negative information about Trump.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-38591382

Has he even been heard from since?

And yes, there has been confirmation of at least parts of the dossier's contents.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/10/politi...ossier-update/

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38589427

Read that last link very very carefully. It's not just about Trump's alleged sexcapades, it's about major intelligence investigations involving Russian banks covertly transacting business to help Trump's campaign.
Add to this Rachel Maddow's piece about the possible/probable involvement of Trump in helping the Russian oligarchs launder and hide their spoils.
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None of those make the claim that sessions discussed the election with the Russians.
Which is not necessary to prove the perjury charge. What is necessary is that Sessions' excuse for the mis-answered questions in his confirmation hearing doesn't fit the circumstances of the meetings.
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Which is not necessary to prove the perjury charge. What is necessary is that Sessions' excuse for the mis-answered questions in his confirmation hearing doesn't fit the circumstances of the meetings.
Which is irrelevant to post 329 which is the basis for my comment.
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And the question Sessions was asked in committee didn't ask if he had discussed the elections, just if he had any contact with Russian officials at all. He said clearly "No". We have the video tape showing this so why are you trying to run with Trump apologists on this matter?
It's not even that, and the news media is doing a poor job of parsing the Franken-Sessions exchange.

Franken asked,
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But if it's true, it's obviously extremely serious and if there is any evidence that anyone affiliated with the Trump campaign communicated with the Russian government in the course of this campaign, what will you do?
He did not ask, did you have any contact, he did not ask, do you know if anyone else had any contact. Sessions did not answer the question, what will he do if said information comes to light. Instead similar to a guilty person, he said
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Sessions: I'm not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and I did not have communications with the Russians, and I'm unable to comment on it.
"I am unable to comment" makes no sense in light of the question which should have been answered by saying, if that comes to light he'd either recuse himself or properly investigate.

Instead Sessions denied contact, something later to be shown to be false. And again, his excuse that he meant not communicating about the campaign flies in the face of the current events at the time and location of the meeting with the ambassador.
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Which is irrelevant to post 329 which is the basis for my comment.
Do you know how many times you've used that same excuse to avoid an honest discussion of the issue?
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It's not even that, and the news media is doing a poor job of parsing the Franken-Sessions exchange.

Franken asked, He did not ask, did you have any contact, he did not ask, do you know if anyone else had any contact. Sessions did not answer the question, what will he do if said information comes to light. Instead similar to a guilty person, he said"I am unable to comment" makes no sense in light of the question which should have been answered by saying, if that comes to light he'd either recuse himself or properly investigate.

Instead Sessions denied contact, something later to be shown to be false. And again, his excuse that he meant not communicating about the campaign flies in the face of the current events at the time and location of the meeting with the ambassador.
Some of you have dishonestly said the campaign wasn't mentioned in idiot Frankens questioning. Here SG puts up the quote and there is is. He was clearly asked in the spirit of campaigning. Now do you see why it was perfectly reasonable to not mention his contacts with Russians for the business of governing. The desperate dishonesty of the left will never cease to amaze!
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Do you know how many times you've used that same excuse to avoid an honest discussion of the issue?
At least he has the courage to have a discussion and not put people on ignore.

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Do you know how many times you've used that same excuse to avoid an honest discussion of the issue?
Post 329 was made not quoting any other post. The issue of post 329 is its own issue.
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Some of you have dishonestly said the campaign wasn't mentioned in idiot Frankens questioning.[snip]
Quote them.
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Quote them.
One post on this very page, see if you can find it.
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One post on this very page, see if you can find it.
I did a search on every post mentioning "campaign" and every post mentioning "Franken" on this page (post 321 on). I didn't see anyone saying that Franken's question didn't reference the campaign.
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Old 4th March 2017, 04:48 PM   #355
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Originally Posted by A'isha View Post
I did a search on every post mentioning "campaign" and every post mentioning "Franken" on this page (post 321 on). I didn't see anyone saying that Franken's question didn't reference the campaign.
That's because you can't follow simple conversation. Post 337

Meaning the referenced post mentions "elections" and infers that Frankens questions weren't about the campaign. I'm sure that was very difficult for you to figure out, I was happy to explain it to you.
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Your evidence for your claim that "some posters here have dishonestly said the campaign wasn't mentioned in idiot Franken's questioning" is a single post where the poster noted (completely accurately) that "the question Sessions was asked in committee didn't ask if he had discussed the elections" with the Russians?
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The Sessions story was dieing down ever since he recused himself.

Trump just blew everything up this morning.
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Originally Posted by sunmaster14 View Post
I can certainly attest to the fact that Bob is quite anti-Trump. Bob is one of those "principled" libertarians who is ecstatic that his candidate got 4% of the popular vote and hopes that by the day he dies a libertarian candidate might get as high as 5 or 6%.
Principled beats unprincipled, in my book. Funny it is used in a derogatory fashion here.
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Just to recap, it's perfectly reasonable to answer the Russian connection as it relates to the campaign. And clearly there is no proof Sessions talked to any Russians about the campaign. Thank you SG for putting up the relevant questions from that moron Sentor Franken.
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Just to recap, it's perfectly reasonable to answer the Russian connection as it relates to the campaign. And clearly there is no proof Sessions talked to any Russians about the campaign. Thank you SG for putting up the relevant questions from that moron Sentor Franken.
We need an investigation to look into all of this.

The people have a right to know.
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