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Old 2nd May 2019, 08:06 AM   #841
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Trump Retweeted

Kenneth P. Vogel
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NEW: The BIDENS are entangled in a Ukrainian corruption scandal:
@JoeBiden pushed Ukraine to fire a prosecutor seen as corrupt.
BUT the prosecutor had opened a case into a company that was paying HUNTER BIDEN.
The Bidens say they never discussed it.
JUST POSTED: @RudyGiuliani solicited information from Ukrainian officials that he intended to use to undermine the MUELLER report, & to try to damage @JoeBiden.
Rudy briefed TRUMP on the effort.
Now both are suggesting @TheJusticeDept should investigate.
Kenneth Vogel is doing some amazing both sides tweeting. Both the tweet Trump retweeted and that one go to the same story.
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Old 2nd May 2019, 08:16 AM   #842
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A true crime syndicate. They just can't stop themselves.
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Old 2nd May 2019, 08:17 AM   #843
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A true crime syndicate. They just can't stop themselves.
How is that criminal?
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Old 2nd May 2019, 08:21 AM   #844
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How is that criminal?
I didn't say it was. I'm saying that they are behaving like a crime syndicate. Doesn't mean everything they do is a crime, but they sure seem to take every crooked road they find.
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Old 2nd May 2019, 08:35 AM   #845
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I didn't say it was. I'm saying that they are behaving like a crime syndicate. Doesn't mean everything they do is a crime, but they sure seem to take every crooked road they find.
Well they’re really old and out of shape. The steps to the high roads are all scumbag-inaccessible.
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Old 2nd May 2019, 08:48 AM   #846
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Well they’re really old and out of shape. The steps to the high roads are all scumbag-inaccessible.
When in a deep swamp, it's hard to slither to the high ground.
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Old 2nd May 2019, 08:53 AM   #847
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When in a deep swamp, it's hard to slither to the high ground.
Ironically enough, the only real way to do it is to drain the swamp first.

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Steve Moore, a great pro-growth economist and a truly fine person, has decided to withdraw from the Fed process. Steve won the battle of ideas including Tax Cuts....

....and deregulation which have produced non-inflationary prosperity for all Americans. I’ve asked Steve to work with me toward future economic growth in our Country.
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Old 2nd May 2019, 10:21 AM   #849
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I didn't say it was. I'm saying that they are behaving like a crime syndicate. Doesn't mean everything they do is a crime, but they sure seem to take every crooked road they find.
You called them a "true crime syndicate". Not much of one, if their actions aren't actually criminal.
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Old 2nd May 2019, 10:29 AM   #850
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You called them a "true crime syndicate". Not much of one, if their actions aren't actually criminal.
Ya know, if you just ignore all of the convictions and indictments and sealed indictments.

He truly is your God Emperor.

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Old 2nd May 2019, 10:34 AM   #851
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But it doesn't make any attempt to disguise the fact that it is from the Republican Party.

At the top it says "Commissioned by the Republican Party". In the third paragraph it says "In order to build the data models to target voters in San Diego and help ensure President Trump's re-election..." The fifth paragraph contains more "to help the GOP win" language and so on. The bottom paragraph on the first page explains what the donations are for and that is to "re-elect President Trump and Republicans at all levels of government".

There is no way it can be described as a scam. It's completely open about the fact it is a census being done by the Republican Party who are also collecting the money.
So why use the ruse in the first place?

Because their target market is elderly and otherwise easily confused people.
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Old 2nd May 2019, 11:13 AM   #852
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
You called them a "true crime syndicate". Not much of one, if their actions aren't actually criminal.
Their actions truly are criminal. Just not necessarily this one.

Although using foreign contacts to undermine your department of justice might not be entirely legal, either.
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Old 2nd May 2019, 11:20 AM   #853
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Their actions truly are criminal. Just not necessarily this one.

Although using foreign contacts to undermine your department of justice might not be entirely legal, either.
I'd love to hear your theory of how that works.
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Old 2nd May 2019, 11:22 AM   #854
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Ya know, if you just ignore all of the convictions and indictments and sealed indictments.

He truly is your God Emperor.

Only from Him does truth flow
How many of them are for crimes committed as part of the Trump campaign or administration?
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I'd love to hear your theory of how that works.
Didn't I just explain it? Undermining the special counsel could be obstruction of justice.

Sounds pretty simple to me.
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Old 2nd May 2019, 11:29 AM   #856
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Ya know, if you just ignore all of the convictions and indictments and sealed indictments.

He truly is your God Emperor.

Only from Him does truth flow
Amazing how all the indictments, guilty pleas and convictions at the Trump top are forgotten again and again. One might believe that brain wiping device from Men in Black were based on a real device.
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Didn't I just explain it? Undermining the special counsel could be obstruction of justice.

Sounds pretty simple to me.
The claim was that Giuliani wanted to "undermine" the Mueller report. But the report is written when the special counsel's investigative work is done. Absent time travel, a response to the report cannot possibly interfere with the investigation. Furthermore, "undermine" is a fairly broad term. Swaying public opinion against Mueller, no matter when it's done, is not obstruction, and criminalizing such activity would violate both the first amendment and basic concepts of fairness. So how does talking to the Ukrainians constitute obstruction of justice, which is a much more narrowly defined crime? I don't see that it does, and calling it simple isn't close to a sufficient answer.
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The claim was that Giuliani wanted to "undermine" the Mueller report.
You are correct. My bad. However, undermining a report from your own justice people using foreign help is, at the very least dodgy, and at worst, still obstruction. As you noted, it depends what was intended by "undermine", though given the people involved, I'm inclined to assume the worst.
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So why use the ruse in the first place?

Because their target market is elderly and otherwise easily confused people.
Of course their target is elderly and otherwise easily confused people. It said it was for Republicans, didn't it? The party of the elderly and the easily confused.
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You are correct. My bad. However, undermining a report from your own justice people using foreign help is, at the very least dodgy
If the information Giuliani was seeking was true, and if it was obtained legally, then how is it dodgy to obtain and disseminate it? Does the truth become dodgy if used in the service of something you don't like?
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If the money ends up in GOP or Trump Campaign coffers, then it's not a scam, it's much worse.
This kind of worse?

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/forei...b0913d078e228d
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No, because unlike Seniors, they can afford it.
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I am overriding the Decommission Order of the magnificent aircraft carrier Harry S. Truman, built in 1998 (fairly new), and considered one of the largest and finest in the world. It will be updated at a fraction of the cost of a new one (which also are being built)!
in other words - he is doing nothing.

The Pentagon is considering the decommissioning for 2024 and in light of that possibility is wondering about how many upgrades are still worth doing.
Is it fair to point out that the plan to decommission the Truman came from the Trump administration in the first place?

Trump's team makes a bad plan, then makes a big deal when they correct their own mistakes.

https://www.defensenews.com/naval/20...ad-on-arrival/
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If the information Giuliani was seeking was true, and if it was obtained legally, then how is it dodgy to obtain and disseminate it? Does the truth become dodgy if used in the service of something you don't like?
It has nothing to do with me liking it or not, but thanks for the personal comment.

To answer your first question, it's like a prosecutor obtaining evidence illegally and by violating the defendant's rights. If the information is true and leads to a conviction, it's all ok, right?
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The mailing may or may not have been legal, but was clearly unethical. And telling the guy on the phone that his mother would face legal action if she didn't send it in with the money has got to be over the line.
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Is it fair to point out that the plan to decommission the Truman came from the Trump administration in the first place?

Trump's team makes a bad plan, then makes a big deal when they correct their own mistakes.

https://www.defensenews.com/naval/20...ad-on-arrival/
Man, I love to hear what Harry Truman would have had to say about Trump.....
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Of course their target is elderly and otherwise easily confused people. It said it was for Republicans, didn't it? The party of the elderly and the easily confused.
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It has nothing to do with me liking it or not, but thanks for the personal comment.

To answer your first question, it's like a prosecutor obtaining evidence illegally and by violating the defendant's rights. If the information is true and leads to a conviction, it's all ok, right?
It was a generic "you", there was nothing personal about it. I also specified legally obtained information (there is no allegation that Giuliani obtained anything illegally). And whose rights are getting violated here?
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If the money ends up in GOP or Trump Campaign coffers, then it's not a scam, it's much worse.
You can't do party business using the authority of Congress. It's corrupt. Politicians are pushing that boundary in Australia too. It breaks some of the fundamental rules of democracy.
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As we unite on this day of prayer, we renew our resolve to protect communities of faith – and ensure that ALL of our people can live, pray and worship IN PEACE. #NationalDayOfPrayer

On this day of prayer, we once again place our hopes in the hands of our Creator. We give thanks for this wondrous land of liberty, & we pray that THIS nation – OUR home – these United States – will forever be strengthened by the Goodness and the Grace & the eternal GLORY OF GOD!

Congrats to @U_S_Steel for investing $1+ BILLION in America's most INNOVATIVE steel mill. 232 Tariffs make Pennsylvania and USA more prosperous/secure by bringing Steel and Aluminum industries BACK. Tariffs are working. Pittsburgh is again The Steel City. USA Economy is BOOMING!

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Sounds good, as long as you aren't praying to Allah, or Buddah, or any of the other myriad non-fundy-Christian gods out there.
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Sounds good, as long as you aren't praying to Allah, or Buddah, or any of the other myriad non-fundy-Christian gods out there.
Catholics aren't going to have a good time either one the others are out of the way.
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Catholics aren't going to have a good time either one the others are out of the way.
And after that, all those denominations that allow homosexuality are going to have a good talking to.
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It's rather clearly a scam - much like the placebo pills, gold resellers, and emergency rations often sold through Youtubers and AM radio screechers.

That pillow guy that still advertises on the Tucker Carlson White Power Hour seems to be on the level, at least.

Can't say that I'm shocked to learn that Dolt 45 is connected to a con job, though.

If you're talking about the My Pillow guy, Mike Lindell, maybe not so much.

In 2017 My Pillow joined the rather rarified but unhallowed ranks of companies with significant market penetration which have had their Better Business Bureau accreditation revoked for violating the BBB's Code of Advertising.

The year before that they paid more than $1million in penalties in a civil suit for deceptive practices and advertising.

I understand that other class action suits are floating around.
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OK, so after two years of hard work and each party trying their best to make the other party look as bad as possible, it’s time to get back to business. The Mueller Report strongly stated that there was No Collusion with Russia (of course) and, in fact, they were rebuffed.....

...at every turn in attempts to gain access. But now Republicans and Democrats must come together for the good of the American people. No more costly & time consuming investigations. Lets do Immigration (Border), Infrastructure, much lower drug prices & much more - and do it now!
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I also specified legally obtained information (there is no allegation that Giuliani obtained anything illegally). And whose rights are getting violated here?
Did you not notice that I was mentioning prosecutors and defendants, not Giuliani and Mueller?

That's called an analogy, and in this case the point is that the ends don't justify the means.
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Old 3rd May 2019, 03:06 AM   #877
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Republicans and Democrats must come together for the good of the American people. No more costly & time consuming investigations. Lets do Immigration (Border), Infrastructure, much lower drug prices & much more - and do it now!
Any chance that he actually means that they should actually come together and compromise to come to an agreed solution? Or will it just be the usual 'do what I want or I'll spit out the dummy' act?
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Amazing how all the indictments, guilty pleas and convictions at the Trump top are forgotten again and again. One might believe that brain wiping device from Men in Black were based on a real device.

That's what I don't get. "NO OBSTRUCTION NO COLLUSION" but just forget about everything else that would be enough to bring any other president down.
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Any chance that he actually means that they should actually come together and compromise to come to an agreed solution? Or will it just be the usual 'do what I want or I'll spit out the dummy' act?
Why change a winning formula?
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The Mueller Report strongly stated that there was No Collusion with Russia (of course) and, in fact, they were rebuffed at every turn in attempts to gain access.
Does it really say that?
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