Jordan Peterson's all-meat diet

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by casebro

cervical = neck

The trapezius muscles extend up the neck, and get a workout when you deadlift, since they contract to keep the shoulders in place. Still helps.

Plus, full body strength training increases HGH production, which helps increase bone density.

[Orphia Nay]

Originally Posted by Skeptical Greg

That's a strange comment..
Can one think they feel better, without actually feeling better?

That's exactly how a placebo "works".

[casebro]

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

The trapezius muscles extend up the neck, and get a workout when you deadlift, since they contract to keep the shoulders in place. Still helps.

Plus, full body strength training increases HGH production, which helps increase bone density.

You don't think 23" is big enough for a neck? That is me in my avatar. I don't think HGH deficiency is a problem.

[RecoveringYuppy]

Originally Posted by casebro

You don't think 23" is big enough for a neck? That is me in my avatar. I don't think HGH deficiency is a problem.

It's not a matter of how big you are now. It's a matter of how much working out you're doing now. This is the internet and no one has done a proper exam on you here, but the workout advice is sound advice in general.

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by casebro

You don't think 23" is big enough for a neck? That is me in my avatar. I don't think HGH deficiency is a problem.

How much of it is muscle, and how much is fat? How strong are the muscles, and how much work do they do?

[Pixel42]

Jordan Peterson insists his fad diet helps you lose weight and feel better. I tried it for a week, and let me tell you: it was truly, punishingly awful

[angrysoba]

Originally Posted by Pixel42

Jordan Peterson insists his fad diet helps you lose weight and feel better. I tried it for a week, and let me tell you: it was truly, punishingly awful

Ha ha! I like it. Of course, he didn’t go on the full beef cleanse which as we all know is six weeks of the squits to get the toxins out. I’m sure a good carni-naturopath could have told him that then he could have had a sharp mind like that Jordan Peterson.

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by Pixel42

Jordan Peterson insists his fad diet helps you lose weight and feel better. I tried it for a week, and let me tell you: it was truly, punishingly awful

I've only seen him say that it helped him lose weight and feel better. I've never seen him say that it helps you lose weight and feel better. Have you?

[Dr. Keith]

Originally Posted by Pixel42

Jordan Peterson insists his fad diet helps you lose weight and feel better. I tried it for a week, and let me tell you: it was truly, punishingly awful

The first week of any low carb diet is hell. The Keto people call it Keto Flu, I forget what Atkins called it.

[GlennB]

Originally Posted by Dr. Keith

The first week of any low carb diet is hell. The Keto people call it Keto Flu, I forget what Atkins called it.

Is there any good reason to do it 'cold turkey'? If you're determined to do it, why not just phase out the carbs slowly?

[Skeptical Greg]

Keto flu..
It's a commonly reported problem.

[Dr. Keith]

Originally Posted by GlennB

Is there any good reason to do it 'cold turkey'? If you're determined to do it, why not just phase out the carbs slowly?

I don't know. Probably, but sometimes things are easier to stick to if you just draw a line in the sand. Reduces the decision making process. Just simpler.

[angrysoba]

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

I've only seen him say that it helped him lose weight and feel better. I've never seen him say that it helps you lose weight and feel better. Have you?

Not personally. I think it could be a sloppy insertion by the editor. In fact, it is Mikhaila Peterson who insists on the value of the beef diet. There is no doubt she promotes it and even charges consultation fees.

[Darat]

What formal education in nutrition and diet do either of them have? I can't find a mention on the quick search I've done.

[Dr. Keith]

Originally Posted by Darat

What formal education in nutrition and diet do either of them have? I can't find a mention on the quick search I've done.

My recollection is "none".

This is a study with an n of 1 that was expanded to an n of 2 and no controls or procedures in place to give one any confidence in the data collected. Maybe we could come up with a word for that, like anecdote but plural. Not data, maybe stories?

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally Posted by Darat

What formal education in nutrition and diet do either of them have? I can't find a mention on the quick search I've done.

Most MD's have relatively little formal education in diet and nutrition.
That doesn't stop them from prescribing powerful, metabolic altering drugs.

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by Dr. Keith

Maybe we could come up with a word for that, like anecdote but plural.

Anecdote already has a plural form. It's "anecdotes".

[Marcus]

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Anecdote already has a plural form. It's "anecdotes".

What, you mean that the plural of "anecdote" is not "evidence"?

[theprestige]

Originally Posted by Marcus

What, you mean that the plural of "anecdote" is not "evidence"?

Evidences*

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by theprestige

Evidences*

Evideni.

[Roboramma]

Originally Posted by Dr. Keith

My recollection is "none".

This is a study with an n of 1 that was expanded to an n of 2 and no controls or procedures in place to give one any confidence in the data collected. Maybe we could come up with a word for that, like anecdote but plural. Not data, maybe stories?

I wouldn't go that far (I agree that it's just an anecdote). She kept a rigorous food diary and also recorded her symptoms with similar attention to detail. She started by eliminating most foods from her diet with the intention of adding them back in one at a time (and thus hopefully finding the one or two things that might have been causing a reaction). That seems like a reasonable procedure for someone who has been sick her whole life and been put on many different drugs by various doctors, some of which helped more or less but none of which alleviated her chronic illness. There was no guarantee that diet was the problem, but it's worth trying, no?

The diet approach may not have worked, and it's entirely possible that her apparent recovery is just coincidental, but if it were me I'd continue with the one thing that improved my health.

None of that suggests that the diet that she happened upon is a good idea for anyone else. It's also worth noting that the long term effects may take time to arise, for instance in vitamin deficiencies, so she'd probably do well to try to track those things.

If she wants to recommend something to others I'd say it's the method of tracking foods/symptoms and noting correlations between them to try to eliminate foods that might be causing an adverse reaction. But I think that's pretty well understood by people already, and is too much work to sell to anyone.

[Marcus]

I'm not a big fan of supplements, but I would think that in this case of such an extreme diet you would at the very least want to take Vitamin C.

[casebro]

Originally Posted by Marcus

I'm not a big fan of supplements, but I would think that in this case of such an extreme diet you would at the very least want to take Vitamin C.

Not needed if you eat the meat rare/raw. And many animals besides humans make their own in their adrenal glands. EAT GLANDS TOO.

I wonder if the oft-quoted Rabbit Starvation is not a thing if you eat the liver, brains, and kidneys to get the fat? And is there such a thing as rabbit suet, fat inside the abdomen?

[luchog]

Originally Posted by casebro

I wonder if the oft-quoted Rabbit Starvation is not a thing if you eat the liver, brains, and kidneys to get the fat? And is there such a thing as rabbit suet, fat inside the abdomen?

No, there isn't such a thing. That's the problem, rabbit is too lean to provide sufficient fatty acids even if you eat the entire thing, organs and all. In US history, pioneers and other wilderness types living on a diet where their primary source of protein is rabbit have had to find alternate sources of fat to supplement it with, typically bear.

[Dr. Keith]

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Anecdote already has a plural form. It's "anecdotes".

It lacks a sense of wonder.

[casebro]

Originally Posted by luchog

No, there isn't such a thing. That's the problem, rabbit is too lean to provide sufficient fatty acids even if you eat the entire thing, organs and all. In US history, pioneers and other wilderness types living on a diet where their primary source of protein is rabbit have had to find alternate sources of fat to supplement it with, typically bear.

Cite? Where do rabbits store their reserves? Gonads are the only hting I hear rabbit seem to have an excess of.

[SOdhner]

Originally Posted by Pixel42

Jordan Peterson insists his fad diet helps you lose weight and feel better. I tried it for a week, and let me tell you: it was truly, punishingly awful

I find this beef diet to be totally absurd and the claims are insane, BUT this article is also garbage.

He's supposed to give this thing a try but right away there's the fact that the claims include it taking a while to start working and he's only doing it for a week. So already the test is essentially useless. Then he eats what sounds like slim jims for half his "meals" or skips food entirely because he doesn't seem to understand how cooking works and he wonders why he's feeling tired.

It doesn't take that long to grab some ground beef, salt it up, roll it into balls, and cook it. Poof, you now have non-disgusting easy to transport lunch. He acts like finding the time to cook a steak is almost impossible. This diet is SO MUCH EASIER than cooking a regular meal - does this guy just never cook for himself?

[Skeptical Greg]

I agree.

Anyone who has ever gone low/no carb from a standard American diet ( SAD ) knows there is a period of adaptation, not to mention some meal planning.

[Dr. Keith]

Someone mentioned what a genius Jordan Peterson is to me today. The name sounded familiar but I didn't know why. I wish I had recalled this thread in real time.

[GodMark2]

Relevant video yesterday:

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Contains good explanations of what we know, and what is claimed, and what the differences are between the two.

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by Dr. Keith

Someone mentioned what a genius Jordan Peterson is to me today. The name sounded familiar but I didn't know why. I wish I had recalled this thread in real time.

Why? If he's clueless about diet, that doesn't mean much about areas which are his actual field of expertise. Plenty of very smart people are subject to that limitation.

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by SOdhner

It doesn't take that long to grab some ground beef, salt it up, roll it into balls, and cook it. Poof, you now have non-disgusting easy to transport lunch. He acts like finding the time to cook a steak is almost impossible. This diet is SO MUCH EASIER than cooking a regular meal - does this guy just never cook for himself?

I don't know how to cook a steak. But I know I'm clueless about it, so I don't make claims about how hard it is to do. And even I can cook ground beef, it's not really much of an accomplishment, and it is indeed easy, especially if you do it on a regular basis. I often freeze ground meat and thawing it out while you cook it is definitely more time consuming, but if ground beef was a diet staple, then I wouldn't have to freeze it because I would consume it before it expires.

[The Great Zaganza]

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Why? If he's clueless about diet, that doesn't mean much about areas which are his actual field of expertise. Plenty of very smart people are subject to that limitation.

but he has been quite vocal about the efficacy and health benefits of his diet.

[Orphia Nay]

The Tinfoil Awards
Biggest Crackpot 2019

Jordan Peterson is up there.



Most people, even his fans say, “I don’t agree with everything he says, but he make some good points”.

He’s a stopped watch, famous for being controversial.

[luchog]

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

I don't know how to cook a steak. But I know I'm clueless about it, so I don't make claims about how hard it is to do. And even I can cook ground beef, it's not really much of an accomplishment, and it is indeed easy, especially if you do it on a regular basis. I often freeze ground meat and thawing it out while you cook it is definitely more time consuming, but if ground beef was a diet staple, then I wouldn't have to freeze it because I would consume it before it expires.

Cooking steak is easier than cooking ground beef. You thaw it, stick it in a pan or on a grill on medium-high heat for about 3-10 minutes (adjust for thickness of steak), then turn it over and do the same thing. Even less effort required than cooking ground beef, since you don't have to futz with it while it cooks, just let it sit there and don't screw it up.

It never ceases to amaze me how utterly divorced from reality and utterly lacking in the most basic life skills some people can be.

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by luchog

Cooking steak is easier than cooking ground beef. You thaw it, stick it in a pan or on a grill on medium-high heat for about 3-10 minutes (adjust for thickness of steak), then turn it over and do the same thing. Even less effort required than cooking ground beef, since you don't have to futz with it while it cooks, just let it sit there and don't screw it up.

It's less effort, but it's more skill. Timing matters for a steak, and the visual feedback is subtler. I'm sure I could cook a steak that wouldn't give you food poisoning, but it probably wouldn't taste as good as a steak cooked by someone who really knows what they're doing. Ground beef (like for chilli) isn't very sensitive to the cooking time, and you can tell very easily when it's all done visually.

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

but he has been quite vocal about the efficacy and health benefits of his diet.

Every time I've seen him talk about it, he wasn't the one who brought it up.

[Venom]

Yeah it takes a while to cook a steak to your liking without a thermometer, the preferable way to keep the moisture locked in. Ground beef is easier.

Well, at least for those of us who give the meat the respect it deserves and don't mishandle, undercook, overcook it

...or put ketchup on it.

[Red Baron Farms]

Originally Posted by Venom

...or put ketchup on it.

Red Baron's Yellow Catsup
2 parts sweet yellow banana peppers
2 parts sweet yellow tomatoes or sweet ripe tomatillos
1 part crushed Pineapple
1 part mandarin oranges
1/2 part sweet onion
1/4 part sugar/honey or to taste
1 single yellow hot Hungarian wax pepper per quart or to taste
fresh Tarragon to taste
fresh mint to taste
dash of cinnamon to taste

Use a blender on high to blend it smoothy consistency.
Slow cook the mixture several hours and reduce until it resembles a thick apple sauce.
Use a funnel to fill a catsup type bottle.
Cap and refrigerate.

There are very few sweet sauces I like, but this one works! Dipping chicken nuggets, glaze on a Thanksgiving ham, just like tomato catsup on any sandwich or hot dog, like Bar B Q sauce in baked beans or on the grill, in Chinese recipes instead of sweet n sour sauce. You name it.

Others have tried my recipe and have recommended cloves and allspice be added too. But I have not tried that yet.

You are welcome to use this on any meat, but me personally I prefer actual grassfed and finished steak cooked rare without anything, not even salt.

But this particular recipe I invented for meatloaf chicken turkey and hamburgers etc....can't be beat. It even beats tartar sauce for fish!

[Orphia Nay]

Do men in general biologically need to eat more red meat than women, or only psychologically?

Because they are ******* up the planet either way.

I can only assume any biological reason is that it takes less energy and thought and effort if you're big and dominant to chuck a steak in a pan than it does to buy and prepare legumes etc. Another reason for higher levels of obesity - less energy expenditure.