Continuation The behaviour of US police officers - part 2

[Armitage72]

Originally Posted by Belz...

But I guess if they start beating up bystanders filming, it would discourage that practice. Smart. Evil, but smart.

It gets faster results then the practice of blasting copyrighted music during acts of violence so the videos will get pulled when posted online.

[ponderingturtle]

Originally Posted by chrispy

Holy hell that was a tough watch. Only 5 charged? Again, the cops that don't stop their buddies should be at least somewhat responsible, too.

Nonsense police have no duty to act when they witness violence against you, why should it matter if it is from some member of the public or another cop? You have to remember exactly how low the standards of police responsibility are.

[JoeMorgue]

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

Nonsense police have no duty to act when they witness violence against you, why should it matter if it is from some member of the public or another cop? You have to remember exactly how low the standards of police responsibility are.

That's still, even factoring in everything else, the part of policing in America that pisses me off the most.

That we have this toxic of a police culture, laws specifically designed to make police all but immune from punishment when they do anything wrong, and yet still have a clear, legal precedent that LEOs are under no actual legal obligations to... like do anything.

If you are being beaten to death in broad daylight and a police officer on duty, on his assigned route, in is assigned area of responsibility walks right past it whistling a jaunty tune... he's legally done nothing wrong.

Add to this in most jurisdiction (a few states, California most notably, have removed this legal requirement from the books) you can charged for failing to assist, not for hampering but for refusing to assist, an LEO in their duties you can be charged with a crime and the whole thing folds back in on itself in layers of insanity piece of puffed pastry.

[bluesjnr]

Originally Posted by chrispy

Holy hell that was a tough watch. Only 5 charged? Again, the cops that don't stop their buddies should be at least somewhat responsible, too.

Behave yourself, they are the much ignored "good apples", from the "not all cops" brigade we hear about.

[SuburbanTurkey]

Originally Posted by bluesjnr

Behave yourself, they are the much ignored "good apples" from the "not all cops" brigade we hear about.

It was just a coincidence that this pack of cops just happened to be all bad. Truly a statistical anomaly that nobody involved did anything to stop nakedly illegal police behavior.

[bonzombiekitty]

Originally Posted by Belz...

I had no idea how many officers there would be when I read your post. Criminal violence on their part aside, that was damned funny.

I half expected Yakety Sax to be playing.

[Darat]

It's because the "one bad apple" saying doesn't mean how supporters of the police are using it. It does not mean there are a mass of good apples or indeed any good apples in the barrel. What it says is that it only takes one bad apple to spoil a barrel of originally good apples. Which is why we see so few police arresting their colleagues, or even stopping them acting in an illegal manner.

And I think the real meaning of "one bad apple" applies in the case of many of these police forces, because the bad apple was not detected and removed (probably decades ago) it infected the rest of the apples in the barrel(s).

I do think the only way to deal with this type of deep rot is to start again. Not "defund" the police - but dissolve the current police and re-build new police forces, ones that can deal with the issue of "one bad apple" before it contaminates the rest of the force.

[pgwenthold]

Originally Posted by Darat

It's because the "one bad apple" saying doesn't mean how supporters of the police are using it. It does not mean there are a mass of good apples or indeed any good apples in the barrel. What it says is that it only takes one bad apple to spoil a barrel of originally good apples. Which is why we see so few police arresting their colleagues, or even stopping them acting in an illegal manner.

And I think the real meaning of "one bad apple" applies in the case of many of these police forces, because the bad apple was not detected and removed (probably decades ago) it infected the rest of the apples in the barrel(s).

I do think the only way to deal with this type of deep rot is to start again. Not "defund" the police - but dissolve the current police and re-build new police forces, ones that can deal with the issue of "one bad apple" before it contaminates the rest of the force.

I blame the confusion about bad apples on Michael Jackson and the Jackson 5.

One bad apples DOES spoil the whole bunch, girl...

[jimbob]

Malfeasance in a public office needs to be a far more serious crime* and police officers who are caught abusing their post should be charged with this as well as any specific crimes. ​


*on a par with racketeering or other organised crime

[deadrose]

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

I blame the confusion about bad apples on Michael Jackson and the Jackson 5.

One bad apples DOES spoil the whole bunch, girl...

Can't blame MJ for that one, it was the Osmonds.

[Dave Rogers]

Originally Posted by bonzombiekitty

I half expected Yakety Sax to be playing.

That won't work, I think it's out of copyright.

Dave

[pgwenthold]

Originally Posted by deadrose

Can't blame MJ for that one, it was the Osmonds.

Well that's even better.

Blame Donny Osmond.

[SuburbanTurkey]

Detroit police under investigation after viral video shows officer sucker-punching a man unconscious on the street.

Quote:

After a video was published Sunday depicting a police officer punching a man in the face in Greektown, Detroit police are reviewing the footage and Internal Affairs is investigating.

The video posted Sunday on Reddit, titled "Detroit pigs handing out the brain damage," appears to show a Detroit Police Department special response team officer winding up and punching a man in the face, who then appears dazed as he tries to sit up.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...wn/5450165001/

Police left the dazed man without making an arrest. Hard to imagine a scenario where close-handed strikes to the head are justified, but an arrest is not.

[Kestrel]

Did any of these officers accurately state what happened in their official report?

[SuburbanTurkey]

Originally Posted by Kestrel

Did any of these officers accurately state what happened in their official report?

I doubt there was a report. No arrest made, just an extrajudicial beating off the books. Until the video went viral, the incident may as well not have existed.

[Kestrel]

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

I doubt there was a report. No arrest made, just an extrajudicial beating off the books. Until the video went viral, the incident may as well not have existed.

Standard practice in the United States is to charge the guy that you beat to a pulp with assaulting a police officer. Counting on the courts to take the word of the officer over the word of the suspect.

[ponderingturtle]

Originally Posted by Kestrel

Standard practice in the United States is to charge the guy that you beat to a pulp with assaulting a police officer. Counting on the courts to take the word of the officer over the word of the suspect.

He did totally hit that cops fist with his face after all. Clear case of assaulting a police officer.

[SuburbanTurkey]

Quote:

A police dog reportedly bit a 5-year-old boy in the head in South Pasadena on Tuesday night during a National Night Out event.

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National Night Out is a nationwide campaign focused on improving community-police relationships.

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2021...s-boy-in-head/

Whoops.

[gnome]

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

He did totally hit that cops fist with his face after all. Clear case of assaulting a police officer.

He'd better watch out, or he'll get sent up for getting blood on the officer's uniform.

[bluesjnr]

Originally Posted by gnome

He'd better watch out, or he'll get sent up for getting blood on the officer's uniform.

******* stupid kid over reacting n' all.

Quote:

Forbes also said he hasn’t received much remorse or explanation from police, other than a call from them Wednesday asking how Sebastian was doing. He said so far there’s been no apology nor any admission of guilt.

“I was told hey, you know this was an accident, accidents happen – calm down,” Forbes told CBSLA. “I just want to make sure that this is the last kid that dog ever bites.”

South Pasadena Police Department has yet to respond to repeated requests for comment

[SuburbanTurkey]

Originally Posted by bluesjnr

******* stupid kid over reacting n' all.

Never underestimate the ability of cops to double down on an obvious screwup.

[mgidm86]

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

Never underestimate the ability of cops to double down on an obvious screwup.

Even the dogs are corrupt.

[Shadowdweller]

Here's a lovely one. Police respond to reports of some sort of domestic altercation. Find someone completely unrelated (who tbf seems like he might have been on something). Guy approaches to inquire about what's going on, they proceed to threaten him with tazing if he doesn't back up, demand that the likely somewhat confused guy get on the ground immediately. And well...bad things happen. Highlights include further demands that the guy get on the ground while he already is, kicking him repeatedly when he grabs one of the batons they were beating him with, shooting the guy's dog, and demanding that he stop struggling while a police K9 is actively biting him.

Warning: Graphic. Also, AFAICT, some of the clip captions are false. There is a claim that the victim ordered his dog to attack the officers, for instance, but I am personally unable to discern any such thing.

[Darat]

Originally Posted by Shadowdweller

...snip...

Warning: Graphic. Also, AFAICT, some of the clip captions are false. There is a claim that the victim ordered his dog to attack the officers, for instance, but I am personally unable to discern any such thing.

I'd like to see some evidence that he had been training his dog to attack on demand. I know if I had ever "ordered" my dog to attack someone the best I could hope for is that they'd find a ball and drop it in front of the police officer!

[Shadowdweller]

Originally Posted by Darat

I know if I had ever "ordered" my dog to attack someone the best I could hope for is that they'd find a ball and drop it in front of the police officer!

I'd likely suffer a tongue to the face for my efforts. The dog does seem to be attacking the officers, however. Once they kick the pooch and start beating its owner. Extremely sad to see that sort of loyalty end in canicide. Particularly as the gentleman is trying to protect himself on the ground when they give him all of two seconds to magically compel the dog to stop trying to defend him.

[SuburbanTurkey]

NYTimes debunking viral video where police claim skin contact with fentanyl caused a cop to OD, only to be saved by a fellow cop with naxalone. This is total pseudoscience, but that doesn't stop local and national news outlets from credulously parroting copaganda exaggerating the dangers they face on the job.

Quote:

Video of Officer’s Collapse After Handling Powder Draws Skepticism
Medical experts said the video promoted a false narrative and confusion about fentanyl and ways it can lead to an overdose.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/07/u...mid=tw-nytimes

You'd hope that after all the protests and news coverage revealing how routinely police lie, news agencies would be slightly more skeptical of the press releases written by cops.

[SuburbanTurkey]

San Fran police union claims many cops will quit rather than comply with vaccine mandates. What a shock that so many cops are right wing zealots.

Covid killed more cops in 2020 than all other on-the-job causes combined.

https://thedaily.case.edu/study-find...uses-combined/

https://twitter.com/OakMorr/status/1423669572217950210

[TomB]

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

San Fran police union claims many cops will quit rather than comply with vaccine mandates. What a shock that so many cops are right wing zealots.

Covid killed more cops in 2020 than all other on-the-job causes combined.

https://thedaily.case.edu/study-find...uses-combined/

https://twitter.com/OakMorr/status/1423669572217950210

Is this a bad thing?

[jimbob]

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

San Fran police union claims many cops will quit rather than comply with vaccine mandates. What a shock that so many cops are right wing zealots.

Covid killed more cops in 2020 than all other on-the-job causes combined.

https://thedaily.case.edu/study-find...uses-combined/

https://twitter.com/OakMorr/status/1423669572217950210

COPS MOST PRONE TO FALL FOR CONSPIRACY THEORIES LEAVE JOBS

makes a nice headline

Originally Posted by TomB

Is this a bad thing?

[quadraginta]

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

San Fran police union claims many cops will quit rather than comply with vaccine mandates. What a shock that so many cops are right wing zealots.

Covid killed more cops in 2020 than all other on-the-job causes combined.

https://thedaily.case.edu/study-find...uses-combined/

https://twitter.com/OakMorr/status/1423669572217950210

Hard to imagine a better outcome. An easy way to winnow out the dumbest among them, and I'm sure the overlap to right wingnut MAGA types is substantial.

Let them leave. Let them die. Let them be hospitalized and perhap sick for the rest of their lives.

The only thing that bothers me is the danger they present to others, but they were probably doing that even before Covid.

Having said that, I expect their 'threats' are little more than bluster. They'll piss and moan, whine like the babies they are ... and get the jab if it's that or a no paycheck.

[SuburbanTurkey]

Family of man killed by dangerous police restraint sues for wrongful death

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Family members of a Navy veteran who died after a Northern California police officer pressed a knee to his neck for nearly five minutes during a mental health crisis filed a federal lawsuit against the city of Antioch, its police chief and four police officers, they said Monday.

https://fox40.com/news/california-co...edium=referral

The George Floyd murder was only exceptional because police were actually held accountable. Prolonged, dangerous restraints that place victims in extreme danger are very commonly used by police.

The man was handcuffed and being restrained by two cops when he was killed.

[SuburbanTurkey]

Two pigs facing charges after choking, beating, and threatening to shoot a man while holding a pistol to his head during an arrest that was captured on bodycam.

Quote:

Former Officer John Haubert was arrested afterwards and charged with assault and Officer Francine Martinez was arrested on charges of not stepping in or reporting use of force.
Arrest photos of former Officer John Haubert and Officer Francine Martinez

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2021/08/...-wants-change/

Oops all bad apples again.

[Shadowdweller]

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

Two pigs facing charges after choking, beating, and threatening to shoot a man while holding a pistol to his head during an arrest that was captured on bodycam.
Oops all bad apples again.

The full bodycam footage of this one is pretty awful. Kyle Vincent, the victim, ends up with an enormous welt the size of a human fist from the pistol-whipping (while he is...not complying but on the ground, held, confused and in tears, not taking any aggressive action). The partner of the the arresting officer decided it was...not enough of a "use of force" to bother reporting :-p

[erlando]

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[SuburbanTurkey]

Originally Posted by erlando

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[SuburbanTurkey]

Another day, another fascist rally enabled by cops who don't enforce the law against their right wing allies. Apparently firing pepperballs and cans of mace out of vehicles is not a crime in Salem.

Quote:

Fascists continued to pepper anti-fascists with paintballs and rubber balls with law enforcement present.

Nothing has changed in Oregon. Police still will not enforce the law against fascists despite openly seeing behavior that could lead to a voluminous amount of criminal charges.

https://twitter.com/ZakirSpeaks/stat...06101721956354

It would be extremely easy for cops to stop the recurring violent fascist rallies in the Pacific Northwest. It's the same small group of people engaging in obvious crimes like riot, assault, and conspiracy. The cops simply choose not to.

The real lesson of Jan6 is that cops don't care about fascist violence so long as the fascists don't commit their crimes against cops.

Quote:

Police absent during political violence in downtown Portland

A familiar sight returned to downtown Portland this past weekend: armed far-right groups engaged in violent clashes with counterprotesters.

The violence happened during two separate religious events, and brought out a number of familiar faces at protests, including a Southwest Washington man who has been federally charged for his role in the Jan. 6 insurrection and a man previously convicted of assault at demonstrations.

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Portland police did not arrest the person who carried the rifle, or anyone else Sunday. Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler, who is also the police commissioner, did not respond to questions asking why the city took no action during the street clashes.

https://www.opb.org/article/2021/08/...sent-protests/

[gnome]

It's great, they can enable the armed-right violence and at the same time be used to claim the police are ignoring left-wing violence.

[mgidm86]

My parents and sister want me to move to Salem. Yikes.

Whatever happened to Berkeley being the crazy city?

[SuburbanTurkey]

Obvious malicious prosecution was found to be malicious prosecuton by independent investigation.

Quote:

'No credible evidence': Phoenix police ignored problems with charging BLM protesters as gang members, report says
An independent report ordered by the city manager says police commanders knew charges "lacked merit." 3 assistant chiefs have been reassigned, 12 News has learned.

https://www.12news.com/amp/article/n...b-ddff2d446cc8

[SuburbanTurkey]

A man tells a story of using an apple Airtag hidden inside his stolen scooter to track it down and get it back.

Interesting because it describes just how incredibly unhelpful NYPD is when coming to actually helping people who have complaints about crime. This guy did all the leg work in locating his stolen property and still had to cajole the cops until they finally relented and agreed to help him. He's spoon feeding them a solved crime and their first response is to brush him off.

Quote:

My scooter was stolen last week. Unknown to the thief, I hid two Airtags inside it. I was able to use the Apple Find My network and UWB direction finding to recover the scooter today. Here’s how it all went down:

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I also had NYPD meet me at the nearest street corner but they were resistant to helping. They weren’t familiar with Airtags, thought I might be enlisting them to steal something, and refused to walk with me if I knocked on a door or into a store.

...

Luckily, the Airtags didn’t move for the whole week. I thought up a new game plan to recover it as soon as I got off my redeye flight this morning. First stop, the 79th Precinct to try convincing the cops to help me, again.

I immediately encountered resistance:
1) go back to where it was stolen and call 911
2) that’s not our precinct
3) we can’t help you if it’s inside a residence
4) I’m not familiar with your voodoo magic^H^H^H Airtags

https://twitter.com/dguido/status/1424921645483966466

Quote:

filled out a report at the precinct, and my two patrolmen get a parade of high fives from their peers. No one can remember the last time they solved an e-bike crime! I teach them all how to use Airtags, then hop in a Lyft home.
@NinebotGlobal
agrees to RMA the scooter Heart suit.

Gee I wonder why they aren't solving more e-bike thefts....

All the budget in the world won't help crime if police are determined to be lazy, unhelpful incompetents.