Continuation The behaviour of US police officers - part 2

[JoeMorgue]

New Jersey officer faces charges after body of hit-and-run victim was found in the back seat of his car, prosecutors say

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Santiago has been charged with reckless vehicular homicide, desecrating/moving human remains, leaving the scene of a crash resulting in death, endangering an injured victim, tampering with physical evidence, hindering one's own apprehension, conspiracy to hinder prosecution, obstructing the administration of law and two counts of official misconduct, prosecutors said.

CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/25/us/ne...run/index.html

[Babbylonian]

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

New Jersey officer faces charges after body of hit-and-run victim was found in the back seat of his car, prosecutors say



CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/25/us/ne...run/index.html

Drunk and stupid is no way to go through life. There's no other reason two people couldn't come up with a reasonable, if tragic, explanation/lie for hitting a pedestrian at 3 o'clock in the morning.

[Kestrel]

Frontline: Shots Fired on PBS investigates the record number of police shootings in Utah.

The primary reason appears to be training. Recruits are taught that only blue lives matter. Training scenarios are design to emphasize that message.

It's also clear that Utah police don't have a clue how to handle mentally disturbed people.

[shemp]

Originally Posted by Kestrel

Frontline: Shots Fired on PBS investigates the record number of police shootings in Utah.

The primary reason appears to be training. Recruits are taught that only blue lives matter. Training scenarios are design to emphasize that message.

It's also clear that Utah police don't have a clue how to handle mentally disturbed people.

With so many of them being themselves mentally disturbed, you'd think they would.

[chrispy]

Tuscon officer working off-duty security at a Lowes store was fired after shooting a wheelchair bound man in the back 9 times from 5 feet away. Every time a bad shoot happens I think it can't get any worse...and then it does. This one is particularly bad. Murder 1 for this cop or there is no hope.

Warning: this is pretty rough to watch, so do so with caution.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0eWZkcDKsM

[erlando]

Point blank range. 8 rapid fire shots and then after a pause... a 9th?! What the ****?

[chrispy]

Originally Posted by erlando

Point blank range. 8 rapid fire shots and then after a pause... a 9th?! What the ****?

Yeah. This one is BAD.

[Delphic Oracle]

Originally Posted by erlando

Point blank range. 8 rapid fire shots and then after a pause... a 9th?! What the ****?

And then wrestling his limp body to put hand cuffs on.

[SuburbanTurkey]

Originally Posted by erlando

Point blank range. 8 rapid fire shots and then after a pause... a 9th?! What the ****?

A thin blue line protecting us soft people from the horrors of wheelchair bound assailants.

[JoeMorgue]

It's a guy in a motorized wheelchair and even in the officer's own version of events the only thing he thought he might have had was a knife and he shot him 9 times protecting a Home Depot.

I mean seriously that's the kind of thing I would have made up as a humorous over the top scenario and had every troll on this board screech "Oh that's a strawman hyperbole dramatic" at me.

I swear to God soon a cop really is going to shoot a deaf-blind thalidomide baby 37 times because I just can't make up anything as actually ludicrious as they are doing.

But enough of that. *Claps hands* Trolls! Oh Trolls? Where are you? Come tell us why this is okay you cowards. Everyone is agreeing so we need a contrarian.

[JoeMorgue]

I don't like to do "armchair body language analysis," I think the internet is way too in love with it, but I don't think the other officer (the one we actually have bodycam footage from) was either ready for those shots nor thought they were necessary.

[Matthew Best]

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

But enough of that. *Claps hands* Trolls! Oh Trolls? Where are you? Come tell us why this is okay you cowards. Everyone is agreeing so we need a contrarian.

The motorised wheelchair just made him quicker than a normal person - therefore more able to wreak deadly havoc with his knife once he got inside the store.

Also, did you see his criminal record? Attempted murder, aggravated assault, people smuggling? Well, need I say more?

[JoeMorgue]

Also "Ryan Remington" of course that's his name.

[shemp]

There was no taser available? And even if the officer had good reason to shoot him to stop him from being a threat, from that distance one shot to the arm holding the knife shouldn't be difficult to accomplish. Nine shots point blank??? That's just plain murder.

[JoeMorgue]

The officer could have walked into the store, waiting in line at the lumber aisle, get a board cut to size, used the bathroom, spent 10 minutes comparing the freezer space of various refrigerator models, bought a soda, walked back out carrying the soda in one arm and the board under the other, and still have time to block the guy from entering the store by just putting the board on the ground.

[Kestrel]

Originally Posted by shemp

There was no taser available? And even if the officer had good reason to shoot him to stop him from being a threat, from that distance one shot to the arm holding the knife shouldn't be difficult to accomplish. Nine shots point blank??? That's just plain murder.

Les than lethal weapons are reserved for punishing those who disrespect police authority.

[lomiller]

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

It's a guy in a motorized wheelchair and even in the officer's own version of events the only thing he thought he might have had was a knife and he shot him 9 times protecting a Home Depot.

The officer was a bigger threat to the Home Depot than the criminal in the wheelchair. Any of the shots he fire could easily have ricocheted ed around the store and hit a bystander if they missed their target.

I don't know where the idea came from that a gun is tool you can use to make people do what you tell them, but it has to stop. Police need tools and techniques they can use for that, but their gun should never have become one of these.

[Delphic Oracle]

Originally Posted by lomiller

The officer was a bigger threat to the Home Depot than the criminal in the wheelchair. Any of the shots he fire could easily have ricocheted ed around the store and hit a bystander if they missed their target.

I noticed in the store footage, there is an associate just inside the gate who seems to be downrange of the muzzle. I had the same thought.

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I don't know where the idea came from that a gun is tool you can use to make people do what you tell them, but it has to stop. Police need tools and techniques they can use for that, but their gun should never have become one of these.

Again, heartily agreed. Drawing a firearm and aiming it at someone are after "determination to use lethal force" and if you've reached that point, there's no room for "make sure your target understands you are really super serious." Our police have a very schizophrenic escalation of force doctrine. Making moves indicating willingness to use lethal force, but then continuing to "negotiate" the situation sends mixed signals.

I don't know if military doctrine is the ideal philosophy, but I do think it would be a vast improvement over the current orientation of our civilian law enforcement. Well, the tens of thousands of jurisdictions each have their own, so even a smattering of minimum standards would itself be a tremendous leap forward.

[Random]

Don't see why he couldn't shoot the wheelchair...

[erlando]

Originally Posted by lomiller

The officer was a bigger threat to the Home Depot than the criminal in the wheelchair. Any of the shots he fire could easily have ricocheted ed around the store and hit a bystander if they missed their target.

There's an employee standing just inside the door approx. 5 metres away in almost the direct line of fire. I thought officers were supposed to "clear the background" or something like that before discharging their firearm.

Just another reason that this guy needs to have the book thrown at him. Hard.

[Dr. Keith]

Originally Posted by Random

Don't see why he couldn't shoot the wheelchair...

Yep. Center of mass has to be close to the batteries on those things. I’m told that is all that Leo can shoot at: center of mass.

[JoeMorgue]

Originally Posted by lomiller

The officer was a bigger threat to the Home Depot than the criminal in the wheelchair. Any of the shots he fire could easily have ricocheted ed around the store and hit a bystander if they missed their target.

Hell wouldn't even need a ricochet. If you watch the footage there is at least one bystander in the field of fire when he shoots.

[chrispy]

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Hell wouldn't even need a ricochet. If you watch the footage there is at least one bystander in the field of fire when he shoots.

The employee didn't seem overly concerned about the elderly man advancing at a snails pace, either.

[lomiller]

Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle

I don't know if military doctrine is the ideal philosophy, but I do think it would be a vast improvement over the current orientation of our civilian law enforcement. Well, the tens of thousands of jurisdictions each have their own, so even a smattering of minimum standards would itself be a tremendous leap forward.

It's not even military doctrine at this point. Even the US military has started to realize that if you point your weapons at civilians "as a precaution" you make more enemies than you had before and over time this costs more lives.

[Delphic Oracle]

Originally Posted by lomiller

It's not even military doctrine at this point. Even the US military has started to realize that if you point your weapons at civilians "as a precaution" you make more enemies than you had before and over time this costs more lives.

Agreed, which is why I say military EoF doctrine would be an improvement.

[SuburbanTurkey]

Cops really, really hate dogs. Hard to explain their love of injuring family pets other than assuming they are sadists

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Viral Ring doorbell footage that showed a Terre Haute, Indiana police officer "brutally" kicking a dog has sparked outrage.

The footage was shared to Reddit's "Public Freakout" forum late Tuesday night by a Redditor under the username u/CantStopPoppin. The post has received more than 30,000 votes and over 2,500 comments.

Early Wednesday morning, politician Spike Cohen also shared the video on Facebook, where it has received more than 7,000 views.

In the video, a police officer is seen approaching a family's front porch steps. As he makes his way onto the porch, the dog begins to bark, so the officer kicks the animal.

https://www.newsweek.com/police-depa...-viral-1654990

Warning, the footage is pretty disturbing, this pig is throwing all his strength into kicking a dog for no apparent reason:

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreak...sion_brutally/

[wollery]

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

Warning, the footage is pretty disturbing, this pig is throwing all his strength into kicking a dog for no apparent reason:

It challenged his authority!

[SuburbanTurkey]

Pigs bragging about how they robbed a woman of $100k.

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High praise for a K-9 officer at Dallas Love Field Airport after more than $100,000 was found in a passenger’s luggage.

On December 2 the canine — named ‘Ballentine’ — alerted on an individual checked suitcase. It turns out the bag, that belonged to 25-year-old woman from Chicago who was on a layover at the airport, contained blankets and two large bubble envelopes filled with $106,829 in cash.

The woman who owned the bag was not arrested, but the money was seized and police say it will be subject to the civil asset forfeiture process.

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/12/07/...rt-sniffs-bag/

Carrying 100 grand in cash through an airport is suspicious as hell, but just ganking the money without any criminal charge is simply state sanctioned robbery. The woman must now prove herself innocent through the byzantine civil asset forfeiture system to get her money back.

[erlando]

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

Carrying 100 grand in cash through an airport is suspicious as hell, but just ganking the money without any criminal charge is simply state sanctioned robbery. The woman must now prove herself innocent through the byzantine civil asset forfeiture system to get her money back.

Considering how many constitutional amendments that civil asset forfeiture goes against it's mindboggling that it's allowed to continue. "Land of the free" indeed.

[SuburbanTurkey]

Oops All Bad Apples

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Torrance police traded racist, homophobic texts. It could jeopardize hundreds of cases

The broad scope of the racist text conversations, which prosecutors said went on for years, has created a crisis for the Torrance Police Department and could jeopardize hundreds of criminal cases in which the officers either testified or made arrests.

The officers’ comments spared no color or creed: They joked about “gassing” Jewish people, assaulting members of the LGBTQ community, using violence against suspects and lying during an investigation into a police shooting, according to district attorney’s office records reviewed by The Times.

Frequently, hateful comments were targeted at Black people. Officers called Black men “savages,”and several variations of the N-word, according to documents reviewed by The Times. The officers also shared instructions on how to tie a noose and a picture of a stuffed animal being lynched inside Torrance’s police headquarters, according to the documents.

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...dreds-of-cases

It's the classic Racist Cop's Dilemma: using a bunch of slurs in provable ways limits your ability to imprison people. A modern Gordian Knot.

[Darat]

You can see why there are few good apples, dropping a good apple into a barrel of bad apples means it will turns bad.

[chrispy]

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

Oops All Bad Apples



https://www.latimes.com/california/s...dreds-of-cases

It's the classic Racist Cop's Dilemma: using a bunch of slurs in provable ways limits your ability to imprison people. A modern Gordian Knot.

I lived in that area for years. The departments there are all notorious, from Long Beach, Carson, Torrance and Signal Hill all the way through the LA Sherrif's Department All crooked as the day is long.

[jimbob]

Originally Posted by Darat

You can see why there are few good apples, dropping a good apple into a barrel of bad apples means it will turns bad.

Or get fired

[SuburbanTurkey]

It's impressive how consistently wrong about everything cops manage to be:

Fraternal Order of Police, the world's largest cop organization, issues letter opposing a nominee for the FCC because of her support for end-to-end encryption.

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Dear Madam Chairman and Senator Wicker,

I am writing on behalf of the members of the Fraternal Order of Police to advise you of our profound concerns with the nomination of Gigi B. Sohn to serve as a Commissioner on the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), and we urge the committee to contemplate the serious public safety considerations at issue here.

Specifically speaking, the FOP and many others in the law enforcement community at large are deeply troubled by the active and enthusiastic leadership role of Ms. Sohn as a board member for Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) in their forceful advocacy of end-to-end encryption and “user-only-access”—often referred to in the law enforcement world as “going dark.”

https://fop.net/letter/fop-opposition-to-fcc-nominee/

[JoeMorgue]

Chicago council OKs $2.9 million settlement for woman police found naked when they broke open door of wrong home

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/15/us/ch...ote/index.html

[mgidm86]

That's almost a quarter million dollars a minute. Where do I sign up? Ya, I think that is an obscene amount of money for this.


Can't play the vid on my poor connection, I only saw part of it, so if I missed something...well not sure what I could have missed. I think less money has been awarded for wrongful deaths.

[erlando]

Originally Posted by mgidm86

That's almost a quarter million dollars a minute. Where do I sign up? Ya, I think that is an obscene amount of money for this.

At least you would get to voluntarily sign up. The victim in this case didn't have that luxury.

I think it's a disgrace that noone was fired for this. The money from the settlement should absolutely be taken from the police budget. But it won't be. Noone will be fired either. Zero accountability as usual.

[Checkmite]

This Idaho sheriff has been charged with aggravated assault. The victims are a group of kids - members of a Mormon youth group - and their adult leader.

On the night of the assault, which took place in early November, the group was engaged in an activity where they were taping Thanksgiving-themed greeting cards to people's doors, then knocking and quickly running off, leaving the home's occupants to discover the cards.

They were unlucky enough to undertake this at the house of Bingham County Sheriff Craig Rowland, who answered the door in his long underwear with a gun. His own Ring door-camera video shows him finding the card and reading it, but he nevertheless became verbally angry anyway, spotted the youth group's car a short distance away and ran up to it, opening the door and yanking the adult leader out of the car by her hair and holding his gun to her head while screaming expletives at all of them, demanding to know who they were and what they're doing. The adult leader was in fact a neighbor and longtime personal friend of the sheriff's family, but he was too enraged in the moment to recognize her and continued his tirade threatening to shoot her for a time before finally going back to his own home.

By way of excuse, Sheriff Rowland told local police that he lives just outside a Native reservation where he is surrounded by "a lot of reservation people who are not good people", and that "drunk Indians" have come to his door before. It was not reported if he mentioned how many of them had left him Thanksgiving cards.

[Darat]

Originally Posted by Checkmite

...snip...

By way of excuse, Sheriff Rowland told local police that he lives just outside a Native reservation where he is surrounded by "a lot of reservation people who are not good people", and that "drunk Indians" have come to his door before. It was not reported if he mentioned how many of them had left him Thanksgiving cards.

One of his medications makes him racist and anti-religious and unable to act in a reasonable manner?

[Random]

Originally Posted by mgidm86

That's almost a quarter million dollars a minute. Where do I sign up? Ya, I think that is an obscene amount of money for this.


Can't play the vid on my poor connection, I only saw part of it, so if I missed something...well not sure what I could have missed. I think less money has been awarded for wrongful deaths.

That was the case where the guy the police were looking for was in a different apartment in the same building under house arrest and wearing a tracking anklet.