Continuation General UK Politics III - Dumb and Dumber

[jimbob]

Originally Posted by Vixen

If anyone was more incompetent than the Prime Minister and the former Chancellor of the Exchequer, then it has to be the spectacularly appalling and ignorant current Home Secretary Suella Braverman.

GUARDIAN

Form the same article, the latest group of modern day slaves are children and most of them British. I thought Priti Patel was shocking in her callous mindset but Braverman is not only callous and stupid, she openly laughs at the idea of cruelty towards vulnerable people.

As for 'gaming the system' (by claiming to be seeking asylum from people traffickers and slave labour gangs) perhaps Braverman is judging others by her own standards. As the daughter of ethnic South Asians from Mauritius and Kenya, Braverman likes to claim her parents were asylum-seekers, but like Patel - whose Ugandan parents arrived before the Idi Amin crisis - this does not appear to be true. She said the other day whilst giggling about sending asylum seekers to Rwanda for Christmas, that one of her parents was an asylum-seeker from Kenya. But wait. The Mau-Mau uprising that was brutally suppressed by the British towards the end of their colonial reign, took place in 1948. Her parents arrived in the sixties. They were economic migrants, albeit arriving with the correct papers, I am sure.

The only genuine asylum seeker in the cabinet was Zahawi. I think Raab's parents arrived as Jewish refugees from Czechoslovakia. Kemi Badenoch mostly lived in Nigeria and the USA but can claim British nationality as the former having been a British Protectorate.

Priority number one: pull the ladder up behind you and show zero feelings of humanity towards other refuges, asylum seekers or economic migrants.

So they have had to tear up Raabs' Bill of Rights as not being fit for purpose and Dorries' sell-off of Channel 4 is in the bin. Liz Truss can spot bad rubbish when she sees it, sometimes. Hopefully the Rwanda plan will go the same way as a colossal misconceived waste of time and money.

The health secretary is trying her best to steal her crown.

She's thinking about allowing non-prescription antibiotics according to The Times

[Vixen]

Originally Posted by jimbob

The health secretary is trying her best to steal her crown.

She's thinking about allowing non-prescription antibiotics according to The Times

Can you believe, some people are actually tipping Coffey and/or Braverman as the next Prime Minister?

UK, are you all right?

[Darat]

Originally Posted by Vixen

Can you believe, some people are actually tipping Coffey and/or Braverman as the next Prime Minister?

UK, are you all right?

No, but sadly too many are.

[Darat]

Originally Posted by jimbob

The health secretary is trying her best to steal her crown.

She's thinking about allowing non-prescription antibiotics according to The Times

**** this.

[Mojo]

For ***** sake, we were taught about the issue of antibiotic resistance on an undergraduate course back in the 80s.

[Vixen]

According to the TIMES:

Quote:

Thérèse Coffey, the health secretary, has pushed to make antibiotics more freely available and has said that she has previously handed out her own supplies of the medicines to friends and family who were feeling unwell.

Although Coffey is not considering making antibiotics available over the counter, he is planning a Scottish-style scheme that would allow pharmacists to prescribe antibiotics, without the advice of a doctor, to patients they believe are suffering from certain conditions.

<snip>

Stephen Baker, a professor of molecular microbiology at Cambridge University, said that the more antibiotics were used “the more likely we are to get drug resistant organisms”. He said that it was “nuts” to talk about widening access to the drugs, adding that to say “we don’t need to worry about this, when clearly it’s one of the biggest problems humanity is facing in respect of infectious disease at the moment is . . . moronic”.

Incredible that Coffey hands out her old prescription drugs to friends and even more so that she openly brags about it!

Elsewhere she is quoted as saying nurses 'can leave' if they are unhappy with the tiny payrise, when there are >47,000 vacancies (= a shortage of nurses).

She employs her sister (compare and contrast Nadine Dorries paying her daughters £80K out of the public purse as assistants) and has claimed >£200K in expenses since 2019.

Keep Coffey away from Health!

[catsmate]

Latest poll has the Conservatives at <20%, Labour consistent at <50%.
I bet the Tories are looking favourably at PR now.

[Mojo]

Originally Posted by catsmate

Latest poll has the Conservatives at <20%, Labour consistent at <50%.
I bet the Tories are looking favourably at PR now.

No, under PR they would be told to **** off.

[jimbob]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...r-right-along/

The Telegraph.

[gabeygoat]

Originally Posted by The Don

It might also do a better job as PM.

Let us all hail lettuce

[Gulliver Foyle]

Originally Posted by Vixen

If anyone was more incompetent than the Prime Minister and the former Chancellor of the Exchequer, then it has to be the spectacularly appalling and ignorant current Home Secretary Suella Braverman.

GUARDIAN

From the same article, the latest group of modern day slaves are children and most of them British. I thought Priti Patel was shocking in her callous mindset but Braverman is not only callous and stupid, she openly laughs at the idea of cruelty towards vulnerable people.

As for 'gaming the system' (by claiming to be seeking asylum from people traffickers and slave labour gangs) perhaps Braverman is judging others by her own standards. As the daughter of ethnic South Asians from Mauritius and Kenya, Braverman likes to claim her parents were asylum-seekers, but like Patel - whose Ugandan parents arrived before the Idi Amin crisis - this does not appear to be true. She said the other day whilst giggling about sending asylum seekers to Rwanda for Christmas, that one of her parents was an asylum-seeker from Kenya. But wait. The Mau-Mau uprising that was brutally suppressed by the British towards the end of their colonial reign, took place in 1948. Her parents arrived in the sixties. They were economic migrants, albeit arriving with the correct papers, I am sure.

The only genuine asylum seeker in the cabinet was Zahawi. I think Raab's parents arrived as Jewish refugees from Czechoslovakia. Kemi Badenoch mostly lived in Nigeria and the USA but can claim British nationality as the former having been a British Protectorate.

Priority number one: pull the ladder up behind you and show zero feelings of humanity towards other refuges, asylum seekers or economic migrants.

So they have had to tear up Raabs' Bill of Rights as not being fit for purpose and Dorries' sell-off of Channel 4 is in the bin. Liz Truss can spot bad rubbish when she sees it, sometimes. Hopefully the Rwanda plan will go the same way as a colossal misconceived waste of time and money.

Braverman is so far down the stupid evil axis she doesn't even realise she'd be one of the first on a flight to Rwanda if her dreams of deporting immigrants were fully realised. At least Patel had the excuse of being an upper caste member.

PS Badenoch was born in the UK and, I think, lived there long enough to pick up subjecthood.

[P.J. Denyer]

Originally Posted by jimbob

The health secretary is trying her best to steal her crown.

She's thinking about allowing non-prescription antibiotics according to The Times

She also apparently told anecdotes about sharing prescription drugs with family members, an illegal act (may even fall under drug dealing laws?).

[Wudang]

Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer

She also apparently told anecdotes about sharing prescription drugs with family members, an illegal act (may even fall under drug dealing laws?).

Apparently it's in this this act

Quote:

214.—(1) A person may not sell or supply a prescription only medicine except in accordance with a prescription given by an appropriate practitioner.

And the offence link

Quote:

Offences relating to dealings with medicinal products
255.—(1) A person is guilty of an offence if the person breaches any of the following provisions of this Part—

(a)regulation 214(1) (prohibition on sale etc of prescription only medicine otherwise than in accordance with prescription from appropriate practitioner);

[Vixen]

A New Chemical Element has been Identified

A new chemical element has been discovered. It is called Theresacoughingnonium. It is number 201 in the periodic table and has a standard atomic weight of 201± 10.1 depending on what it ate for dinner yesterday. It has a density of 200g/cm³, being extremely dense indeed. Boiling point 28.6° C when asked the wrong question by BBC. It is hydrous whilst drinking and anhydrous the morning after. It is colourless, personalityless and has a faint odour of stale cigars. It is inert until the mobile phone alarm goes off in a live interview and then we see some signs of life and a change of colour from grey to red.

It is highly poisonous and combustible. It has been observed reacting to a karaoke machine and bursting into gaseous matter with a noise that sounds like ‘Time of My Life’. This is known to occur after wiping out pensioners’ triple lock in one fell swoop, being also highly corrosive.

It has very few healthy biomes in the gut as all bacteria is killed off with leftover antibiotics and a glass or two of gin and tonic.

It turns litmus paper navy blue. It reacts with other inert substances such as Trussonium to form a toxic substance known as the current Tory government.

Being deputy to the Prime Minister, were the PM to be sadly run over by a bus, as it were, this basic element will be the next PM.

[GlennB]

Mind you , it seems Coffey is suggesting some prescription medicines might be available at the discretion of a pharmacy, not just willy-nilly on demand.

This would have suited me just fine about a year ago - I had a very painful gum infection, my (private) dentist had no appointments available for weeks, so I went on their emergency list. I phoned around and got on the emergency lists of several other local dentists. My local GP practice made it clear that they don't get mixed up with dental matters, so it was just painkillers and suffering for me.

After some days I did get an appointment, they prescribed antibiotics and the problem soon went away. A pharmacy might well have been willing to sort me out on the spot.

[GlennB]

Truss now 4/9 to be gone in'22

[The Don]

Oops wrong thread

[The Don]

Good News:

Looks like government support for energy company profits is likely to be limited if rumours of Hunt's mini-mini-budget are correct.

Bad News:

Those profits will instead be directly supported by customers instead.

[Vixen]

What a bitter pill for Truss to have to swallow. Jeremy Hunt of all people taking over and mansplaining the economy to her.

I am guessing there will be an attempt to do a 'Thatcher' on her and pressurise her to resign by 'senior Tories'.

[Lothian]

Originally Posted by The Don

Good News:

Looks like government support for energy company profits is likely to be limited if rumours of Hunt's mini-mini-budget are correct.

Bad News:

Those profits will instead be directly supported by customers instead.

They were to be supported by the public which everway.
Profits before people

[jeremyp]

Originally Posted by Vixen

What a bitter pill for Truss to have to swallow. Jeremy Hunt of all people taking over and mansplaining the economy to her.

I am guessing there will be an attempt to do a 'Thatcher' on her and pressurise her to resign by 'senior Tories'.

Is it mansplaining if the woman really is ignorant of the subject?

[Vixen]

Originally Posted by Lothian

They were to be supported by the public which everway.
Profits before people

That's right. It was always the case that whatever discount you get today, you will be paying back tomorrow. Truss never mentioned a windfall tax on the energy provider companies.

[Vixen]

Originally Posted by jeremyp

Is it mansplaining if the woman really is ignorant of the subject?

Jeremy Hunt appears to have the same PPE degree as Truss

Quote:

Hunt was educated at Charterhouse where he was Head of School.[4] He then read Philosophy, Politics, and Economics at Magdalen College, Oxford, and took a first class honours Bachelor of Arts (BA) degree.

However, unlike Truss, he has zero experience in the Treasury office and has zero chartered accountancy or MBA qualifications (which even Coffey has, with Finance Director experience). Treasury experience is considered essential for a Chancellor.

Truss should watch her back as Hunt is known to be ruthlessly ambitious. He likely has his eye on the main prize.

[Gulliver Foyle]

Originally Posted by jeremyp

Is it mansplaining if the woman really is ignorant of the subject?

It is when the man is equally as ignorant of the economy. Hunt's going back to Osborne's austerity as a solution for everything, viz cut taxes for the rich by stealth and very publicly pare public services back to the bone (but given they're that underfunded as is, likely just closing them down).

[Vixen]

Shadow Chancellor Rachel Reeves looks impressive:

Quote:

After sitting A-Levels in Politics, Economics, Mathematics and Further Mathematics, she read Philosophy, Politics and Economics at New College, Oxford (MA), followed by graduating as MSc in Economics from the London School of Economics.[6] She worked as an economist at the Bank of England and British Embassy in Washington, D.C. between 2000 and 2006.[7] Reeves moved to Leeds in 2006 to work for HBOS.

wiki


Seems a bit hesitant in public speaking but nothing that coaching can't change.

[a_unique_person]

Don't forget, it was Boris who backed Truss and helped her get elected.

[Lothian]

Do we have odds on her making pmqs on Wednesday?

[jeremyp]

Originally Posted by Vixen

Jeremy Hunt appears to have the same PPE degree as Truss

However, unlike Truss, he has zero experience in the Treasury office and has zero chartered accountancy or MBA qualifications (which even Coffey has, with Finance Director experience). Treasury experience is considered essential for a Chancellor.

Can you explain why Truss stood by and watched KamiKwasi try to destroy the British economy then? If she had such superior knowledge, shouldn't she have told him no?

Quote:

Truss should watch her back as Hunt is known to be ruthlessly ambitious. He likely has his eye on the main prize.

Trouble is, if the spends too much time watching her back, somebody will stab her in the front.

You'd be a fool to want to be prime minister at this point. The only way out of the current crisis involves a lot of hardship for a lot of voters.

[The Don]

Originally Posted by jeremyp

Can you explain why Truss stood by and watched KamiKwasi try to destroy the British economy then? If she had such superior knowledge, shouldn't she have told him no?

I suppose every possible candidate for Chancellor is disqualified for their own reasons.

Hunt because he lacks the necessary qualifications and experience, Kwarteng and Truss because they dogmatically adhere to discredited voodoo economic theories.

Originally Posted by jeremyp

Trouble is, if the spends too much time watching her back, somebody will stab her in the front.

You'd be a fool to want to be prime minister at this point. The only way out of the current crisis involves a lot of hardship for a lot of voters.

The key is to make sure that those affected aren't Tory supporters and are also unlikely to be able to turn out and vote Labour.

Make the poor even poorer and they'll be increasingly disinclined to get involved in the democratic process.

[jeremyp]

Originally Posted by The Don

I suppose every possible candidate for Chancellor is disqualified for their own reasons.

Hunt because he lacks the necessary qualifications and experience, Kwarteng and Truss because they dogmatically adhere to discredited voodoo economic theories.



The key is to make sure that those affected aren't Tory supporters and are also unlikely to be able to turn out and vote Labour.

Tory support is currently at around 25% in the polls. That won't be enough to get voted in.

Liz Truss's personal approval rating is at 17%. Eat your heart out Joe Biden.

Quote:

Make the poor even poorer and they'll be increasingly disinclined to get involved in the democratic process.

I think it'll work the other way. I think they'll be more inclined to get involved.

[The Don]

Originally Posted by jeremyp

Tory support is currently at around 25% in the polls. That won't be enough to get voted in.

Liz Truss's personal approval rating is at 17%. Eat your heart out Joe Biden.

At the moment, that's true, but there's still 18 months for the right wing press to work away at the British public, tell them that the Conservatives are basically OK, just misunderstood and that in any case the Labour Party will be a million times worse.

Originally Posted by jeremyp

I think it'll work the other way. I think they'll be more inclined to get involved.

I hope so, I fear not.

[Filippo Lippi]

The ongoing commentaries on Mordaunt's stand in for Truss during the the Urgent Question on the mini-budget U-turn is bizarre. Mordant has confirmed that Truss is not hiding under a desk, but will not say where she is. Meanwhile Truss has been spotted sneaking out of the backdoor of number 10

[Filippo Lippi]

Truss has just arrived in the chamber, possibly avoiding the Urgent Question she was called to answer

[jeremyp]

Originally Posted by The Don

At the moment, that's true, but there's still 18 months for the right wing press to work away at the British public, tell them that the Conservatives are basically OK, just misunderstood and that in any case the Labour Party will be a million times worse.

There are signs that even the press are turning against them.

Quote:

I hope so, I fear not.

I don't think the government has got time to introduce a "disenfranchisement for poor people" bill. There was some rumblings about making sure you had id to vote but I again don't think that has come to anything yet.

[Filippo Lippi]

Originally Posted by Filippo Lippi

Truss has just arrived in the chamber, possibly avoiding the Urgent Question she was called to answer

Turned up for Hunt's statement, then left to shouts of "bye." What a pathetic individual

[Mojo]

Originally Posted by Lothian

Do we have odds on her making pmqs on Wednesday?

Maybe she’ll send Mordaunt again.

[jimbob]

Originally Posted by Mojo

Maybe she’ll send Mordaunt again.

Is it some weird performance art to see how bad she can look before the Tories sack her?

[GlennB]

Originally Posted by GlennB

Truss now 4/9 to be gone in'22

Now 2/7 to be out in 2022. Looks like today didn't help

[Darat]

Originally Posted by jimbob

Is it some weird performance art to see how bad she can look before the Tories sack her?

Wasn't this to say to them - "look this is what you could have had"?"

[jimbob]

Originally Posted by Darat

Wasn't this to say to them - "look this is what you could have had"?"

Someone who could only communicate via blinks like US aircrew in a North Vietnamese prisoner video?