Continuation General UK Politics III - Dumb and Dumber

[Darat]

Can someone help me out - there was a mention of Braverman having breached something called the "ministerial code"? What's that?

[Vixen]

It is pathetic the way the government is trying to cling on to power. It really should do the sensible thing and call a general election. The motley crew of Hunt, Truss, Shapps, Coffey and Rees-Mogg is like getting an old banger when you ordered a merc. All the wheels falling off, no brakes and the windscreen wipers broken.

[The Don]

Originally Posted by Darat

Can someone help me out - there was a mention of Braverman having breached something called the "ministerial code"? What's that?

For those who would like to refresh their knowledge...

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...nisterial-code

[Vixen]

Originally Posted by The Don

For those who would like to refresh their knowledge...

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...nisterial-code

I don't think Suella can cope with long words. 'Magically' is the best she can do. Not a word generally seen in legal documents so how she passed the bar who knows?

[Darat]

Originally Posted by The Don

For those who would like to refresh their knowledge...

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...nisterial-code

I thought that was optional for Tories, especially Tory Home Secretaries?

[jimbob]

And reports that the chief whip has resigned

[ohms]

Looks like total chaos at tonight's fracking vote. Reports of Twitter of the whips manhandling MPs to get them to vote and the chief and deputy whips then resigning.

[Mojo]

Originally Posted by jimbob

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...to-play-leader

Quote:

Then Keir Starmer stood up to administer further wounds. None fatal. It suits Labour to have an ersatz prime minister who everyone knows is on life support. This was the Labour leader at his most surgical. His most forensic. Good gags, better soundbites. Short and not so sweet. Truss had nothing to say. Other than “sorry”, “I take the tough decisions” – she really doesn’t, the tough decisions are all made on her behalf – and ”what has Labour done about the economic crisis?”. Er … a word to the dim. Labour hasn’t been in government for more than 12 years. It didn’t cause the chaos nor is it in a position to do anything about it. Not yet, anyway.

That is probably accurate.

Did she really say that?

[Filippo Lippi]

Originally Posted by p0lka

Or possibly lining up for another job.

Back to photocopying

[Carrot Flower King]

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King

I think it was someone like Rawnsley in The Observer recently who suggested that if 40-odd of them rebel on a matter like this one, which many have threatened to do, then there is a choice to be made between sucking it up and creating a new 40 member opposition party...

I wonder if internal dissatisfaction and fear of their own voters and local party members will outweigh what they think Truss will actually do, given all the U-turns we've had so far...

That didn't work, but (as was already noted) there are reports of MPs being physically forced through the "correct" lobby.

Still doesn't look good...

[Carrot Flower King]

What a bunch of gutless wonders: even sodding Menzies from Fylde voted agin the motion.

So much for your constituents, eh Mark?

ETA and Truss, having made it a confidence vote could not be arsed to show up and vote. Gutless wonders indeed.

[Filippo Lippi]

The fracking vote... it's nuts

[jimbob]

They do call it "The Mother of Parliaments"

[Garrison]

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King

What a bunch of gutless wonders: even sodding Menzies from Fylde voted agin the motion.

So much for your constituents, eh Mark?

ETA and Truss, having made it a confidence vote could not be arsed to show up and vote. Gutless wonders indeed.

But this was perfect political tactics from Labour, they now have pinned down all those Tory MPs who claimed they were against fracking and have another stick to beat them with when it comes to campaigning at the local level.

[Filippo Lippi]

Truss missed the vote because she was dealing with the resignation of her chief whip, apparently. Probably why it suddenly wasn't a three-line whip just before the division even though Tory MP's were being bullied into the No lobby

[Darat]

Deputy whip went in June, Chancellor, Home Secretary, chief whip - Truss is probably putting in a claim for whiplash!

[Darat]

Alex Stafford in a tweet said “ Lots of rumours flying around tonight. This vote was never about fracking but about Labour trying to destabilise the country, and take control of Parliament. I had a frank and robust conversation outside the voting lobbies confirming my opposition to fracking,”

And then went and voted against the no fracking motion…

I am assuming by saying “…about Labour trying to destabilise the country, and take control of Parliament….” He is claiming Truss is a secret Labour agent?

[junkshop]

Pardon my French, but what a ******* ********.

This shower of *************** moronic ***** need to **** the **** off.

Truss is a useless ******* ****, with as much credibility and leadership ability as a ******* two-day-old pile of *******.

Hunt is a ****. No, sorry, Hunt is a self-serving ******* weeping sore on a rancid, diseased ****.

Shapps is a lying, smug ******* wanker, and also a ******* bastard ****. Four ******* times over.

Rees-Mogg is a supercillious, pretentious, arrogant ******* streak of entitled ***********.

Coffey is ******* ******* of fundamentalist religious hypocritical ********.

Braverman and Kwarteng were ******* pieces of ****, and they got ******-over by their own ******* team of **** bastards. Good.

If the party kick Truss's pathetic **** to the ******* curb, and install some other ********* as PM it'll be no better, because they are all ******* **** bastards.

The Tories can be divided into two groups:

1) Sociopathic ******* **** bastards arrogant and un-self-aware enough to think that they have some ******* God-given right to govern, and
2) ******* lickspittle **** bastards that support and enable the first ******* group of ***** in hopes that they'll get to keep their putrid ******* snouts in the trough for a bit longer.

They have no ******* mandate. They gladly **** off manifesto promises and ideological positions whenever it ******* suits their own ******* advancement. They have less shame than a ******* gin-soaked Hogarth whore, selling her **** to any old ****** for one more glass.

They have ****** everthing, and the bastards will continue to ******* bollocks up anything and every-*******-thing in order to satisfy their own ******* sense of entitlement.

The ******* **** bastards need to **** off. While it's fun to watch the ******* turn on each other (like the duplicitous, perfidious ***** that they are), we need a ******* general election, while there's still something left to ******* govern.

[Darat]

Truthfully I can’t keep up with everything, missed this one until now: https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ed-sajid-javid

Jason Stein, one of Liz Truss’s key advisers, is understood to have been suspended from his job before an investigation into insulting briefings about MPs, including one over the weekend accusing Sajid Javid of being “****”.

Truss’s press secretary, answering queries after prime minister’s questions, said he could not comment on individual staffing matters but did not deny reports that Stein had been suspended, saying that Truss believed some briefings about parliamentary colleagues were “completely unacceptable”.

Stein is understood to be facing an investigation by the Cabinet Office’s propriety and ethics unit.

[Lothian]

Originally Posted by Darat

Truthfully I can’t keep up with everything, missed this one until now: https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ed-sajid-javid

Jason Stein, one of Liz Truss’s key advisers, is understood to have been suspended from his job before an investigation into insulting briefings about MPs, including one over the weekend accusing Sajid Javid of being “****”.

Truss’s press secretary, answering queries after prime minister’s questions, said he could not comment on individual staffing matters but did not deny reports that Stein had been suspended, saying that Truss believed some briefings about parliamentary colleagues were “completely unacceptable”.

Stein is understood to be facing an investigation by the Cabinet Office’s propriety and ethics unit.

He advised Prince Andrew before this job. Can't see him working again.

[The Atheist]

I just want to pass on my heartfelt thanks to the British Conservative Party.

After four years of Trump and three of covid, the one thing the planet needed was a humour break, and the last couple of years have been hysterically funny.

Ok, it's destroying your country, and sorry about that, but I couldn't have imagined the **** show in my wildest dreams. I thought Teresa May was funny, but Truss makes her look like one of the Three Stooges. (who I think were slightly funnier than norovirus)

What the hell is it with your Tory people? Do you have a caricature book you get them out of? David Cameron looks like a genius from this distance.

[Mojo]

Crunch Commons vote on fracking descends into farce

Quote:

However, Jacob Rees-Mogg, the business and energy secretary, disputed this, pointing to the government’s majority in the vote. He said: “This is a government that is functioning well.”

[jimbob]

Originally Posted by The Atheist

I just want to pass on my heartfelt thanks to the British Conservative Party.

After four years of Trump and three of covid, the one thing the planet needed was a humour break, and the last couple of years have been hysterically funny.

Ok, it's destroying your country, and sorry about that, but I couldn't have imagined the **** show in my wildest dreams. I thought Teresa May was funny, but Truss makes her look like one of the Three Stooges. (who I think were slightly funnier than norovirus)

What the hell is it with your Tory people? Do you have a caricature book you get them out of? David Cameron looks like a genius from this distance.

Sometime in Teresa May's government, a colleague (recently become a British National, but originally from Greece) congratulated me on having a government so devoted to reminding him of home, with its levels of functionality.

He hadn't changed his opinion last time I chatted with him.

[jimbob]

Originally Posted by The Atheist

I just want to pass on my heartfelt thanks to the British Conservative Party.

After four years of Trump and three of covid, the one thing the planet needed was a humour break, and the last couple of years have been hysterically funny.

Ok, it's destroying your country, and sorry about that, but I couldn't have imagined the **** show in my wildest dreams. I thought Teresa May was funny, but Truss makes her look like one of the Three Stooges. (who I think were slightly funnier than norovirus)

What the hell is it with your Tory people? Do you have a caricature book you get them out of? David Cameron looks like a genius from this distance.

I'm just worried about the trajectory.

Cthulu is looking too good for the next one

[jimbob]

Originally Posted by junkshop

Pardon my French, but what a ******* ********.

This shower of *************** moronic ***** need to **** the **** off.

Truss is a useless ******* ****, with as much credibility and leadership ability as a ******* two-day-old pile of *******.

Hunt is a ****. No, sorry, Hunt is a self-serving ******* weeping sore on a rancid, diseased ****.

Shapps is a lying, smug ******* wanker, and also a ******* bastard ****. Four ******* times over.

Rees-Mogg is a supercillious, pretentious, arrogant ******* streak of entitled ***********.

Coffey is ******* ******* of fundamentalist religious hypocritical ********.

Braverman and Kwarteng were ******* pieces of ****, and they got ******-over by their own ******* team of **** bastards. Good.

If the party kick Truss's pathetic **** to the ******* curb, and install some other ********* as PM it'll be no better, because they are all ******* **** bastards.

The Tories can be divided into two groups:

1) Sociopathic ******* **** bastards arrogant and un-self-aware enough to think that they have some ******* God-given right to govern, and
2) ******* lickspittle **** bastards that support and enable the first ******* group of ***** in hopes that they'll get to keep their putrid ******* snouts in the trough for a bit longer.

They have no ******* mandate. They gladly **** off manifesto promises and ideological positions whenever it ******* suits their own ******* advancement. They have less shame than a ******* gin-soaked Hogarth whore, selling her **** to any old ****** for one more glass.

They have ****** everthing, and the bastards will continue to ******* bollocks up anything and every-*******-thing in order to satisfy their own ******* sense of entitlement.

The ******* **** bastards need to **** off. While it's fun to watch the ******* turn on each other (like the duplicitous, perfidious ***** that they are), we need a ******* general election, while there's still something left to ******* govern.

Quote:

Last edited by junkshop; Today at 09:03 PM. Reason: Clarification, also forgot about Coffey

Clarification?

It seems pretty clear to me now

[Darat]

Truss didn’t vote, does that mean she has no confidence in the government?

[Vixen]

Originally Posted by junkshop

<snip>

They have no ******* mandate. They gladly **** off manifesto promises and ideological positions whenever it ******* suits their own ******* advancement. They have less shame than a ******* gin-soaked Hogarth whore, selling her **** to any old ****** for one more glass.

Oh dear, is that the one in Memphis that tried to take Mick upstairs for a ride? (Goodness knows what that was about. )

Yes they can **** right off, and when they have finished ******* off, they can **** off some more.

[jimbob]

Originally Posted by Darat

Truss didn’t vote, does that mean she has no confidence in the government?

Are you coming round to my explanation that it's some strange performance art to see if she can actually achieve 0% approval rating in the opinion polls, or to demonstrate how bad she can get before getting booted out.


I mean, trying to designate ******* FRACKING as a confidence vote and still trying for a three line whip? What's next, a vote to make cruelty to puppies and kittens mandatory?

[Gulliver Foyle]

Originally Posted by jimbob

I guess Braverman is possibly more honest than Grant Shapps.


I cannot imagine how many vetting rules would have to have been bent to give him any sensitive post.

Not really, she's spent her whole career lying about her abilities and accomplishments as a barrister, even faking that she wrote part of a major textbook on legal matters (the actual author pointed out that he asked her to do a bit of photocopying for him as a student barrister), and also lying about how she was being hounded daily by "lefty pinkos" in the law chambers she allegedly practised out of (she didn't, she worked out of another much less prestigious set of chambers).

[MarkCorrigan]

Originally Posted by Vixen

It is pathetic the way the government is trying to cling on to power. It really should do the sensible thing and call a general election. The motley crew of Hunt, Truss, Shapps, Coffey and Rees-Mogg is like getting an old banger when you ordered a merc. All the wheels falling off, no brakes and the windscreen wipers broken.

The biggest problem is that this shambles of a government is making Michael Gove seem reasonable in comparison. How the hell do you even do that?

At least Poundland Patel is gone.

[Vixen]

Imagine being 'manhandled' by Coffey and Rees-Mogg? Lots of shouting, shoving and 'bullying in the lobby' during the fracking vote, culminating in the Chief Whip Wendy Morton declaring she was resigning, causing Truss to grab her by her arm and beg her not to, missing her own vote, and the Deputy Whip shouting four letter words about also resigning. However, according to Steve Baker, they are now 'not resigning' after all.

[Vixen]

There is a theory that Braverman deliberately made a technically erroneous act regarding a message sent on her personal phone because she could see the ship was sinking and she was positioning herself to be the next leader by laying into Truss in her letter about 'at least' she could admit her mistakes and resign. It seems behind the scenes she was ordered not to mention Rwanda at the party conference, which she ignored, and was furious about Truss' plans to extend visas for more foreign workers, Braverman insisting 'We don't want no low-skilled bloody foreigners'. So the pair have clashed on a fundamental level.

However, I don't see that Braverman's plan, of being brought in as leader, has a hope of coming into fruition. Her resignation letter shows a lack of integrity and unsavoury cunning to only criticise Truss after she resigned. It looks machiavellian. Truss' responding letter was short and to the point.

Braverman's was very much in the tradition of 'Now I can tell the boss what I really think of her and she can stick her job. She was bloody useless anyway. I never did like her.'

Reminds me of the parting shot in a recent similar message by someone else on their way out quite ignomoniously!

[junkshop]

Originally Posted by Vixen

Imagine being 'manhandled' by Coffey and Rees-Mogg? ...

I'd rather not.

Anyone got any spare brain-bleach?

[jimbob]

I'll just point out that over on Scrutable, there's this thread


Liz Truss - an unending void of horror and pain

The OP has had his avatar for several years

[Gulliver Foyle]

Originally Posted by Vixen

I don't think Suella can cope with long words. 'Magically' is the best she can do. Not a word generally seen in legal documents so how she passed the bar who knows?

Frankly, she struggles with "and" or "the". She's the kind of person that has to take her shoes off to count past two.

[Gulliver Foyle]

Originally Posted by junkshop

Pardon my French, but what a ******* ********.

This shower of *************** moronic ***** need to **** the **** off.

Truss is a useless ******* ****, with as much credibility and leadership ability as a ******* two-day-old pile of *******.

Hunt is a ****. No, sorry, Hunt is a self-serving ******* weeping sore on a rancid, diseased ****.

Shapps is a lying, smug ******* wanker, and also a ******* bastard ****. Four ******* times over.

Rees-Mogg is a supercillious, pretentious, arrogant ******* streak of entitled ***********.

Coffey is ******* ******* of fundamentalist religious hypocritical ********.

Braverman and Kwarteng were ******* pieces of ****, and they got ******-over by their own ******* team of **** bastards. Good.

If the party kick Truss's pathetic **** to the ******* curb, and install some other ********* as PM it'll be no better, because they are all ******* **** bastards.

The Tories can be divided into two groups:

1) Sociopathic ******* **** bastards arrogant and un-self-aware enough to think that they have some ******* God-given right to govern, and
2) ******* lickspittle **** bastards that support and enable the first ******* group of ***** in hopes that they'll get to keep their putrid ******* snouts in the trough for a bit longer.

They have no ******* mandate. They gladly **** off manifesto promises and ideological positions whenever it ******* suits their own ******* advancement. They have less shame than a ******* gin-soaked Hogarth whore, selling her **** to any old ****** for one more glass.

They have ****** everthing, and the bastards will continue to ******* bollocks up anything and every-*******-thing in order to satisfy their own ******* sense of entitlement.

The ******* **** bastards need to **** off. While it's fun to watch the ******* turn on each other (like the duplicitous, perfidious ***** that they are), we need a ******* general election, while there's still something left to ******* govern.

Nominated.

[jimbob]

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

Nominated.

It also led Darat to introduce a new word to the autocensor #modsecrets

[jimbob]

Originally Posted by jimbob

I hope some might actually think that their own investments might be better off under a Labour government. And that they could get more lucrative jobs outside Parliament.

I said that Johnson could severely damage the Tory party. I think Truss might have already finished it off.

And possibly noises about this.

https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status...U-2HQSMw7dU_TQ

Quote:

(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges
·
5h
Number of Tory MPs giving up. One texts “what’s the point. Let’s call an election and all go back to our lives”.

[junkshop]

Originally Posted by jimbob

It also led Darat to introduce a new word to the autocensor #modsecrets

This is the proudest day of my life.

I'd like to thank the Prime Minister and her cabinet members, past and present, for their inspiration (special mention to the sun-kissed facist, Braverman, and the archaic twig himself, Jacob Rees-Mogg); my parents; my fellow posters, I love you all! (except Shemp, obviously); and most importantly, the mod team and the autocensor. Without them maiden aunts the world over would be swooning left, right and centre (for all the wrong reasons).




PS: Was it **** ****?

Edited by Agatha:

Edited for rule 10

ETA: I guess not.

[angrysoba]

Originally Posted by junkshop

Pardon my French, but what a ******* ********.

This shower of *************** moronic ***** need to **** the **** off.

Truss is a useless ******* ****, with as much credibility and leadership ability as a ******* two-day-old pile of *******.

Hunt is a ****. No, sorry, Hunt is a self-serving ******* weeping sore on a rancid, diseased ****.

Shapps is a lying, smug ******* wanker, and also a ******* bastard ****. Four ******* times over.

Rees-Mogg is a supercillious, pretentious, arrogant ******* streak of entitled ***********.

Coffey is ******* ******* of fundamentalist religious hypocritical ********.

Braverman and Kwarteng were ******* pieces of ****, and they got ******-over by their own ******* team of **** bastards. Good.

If the party kick Truss's pathetic **** to the ******* curb, and install some other ********* as PM it'll be no better, because they are all ******* **** bastards.

The Tories can be divided into two groups:

1) Sociopathic ******* **** bastards arrogant and un-self-aware enough to think that they have some ******* God-given right to govern, and
2) ******* lickspittle **** bastards that support and enable the first ******* group of ***** in hopes that they'll get to keep their putrid ******* snouts in the trough for a bit longer.

They have no ******* mandate. They gladly **** off manifesto promises and ideological positions whenever it ******* suits their own ******* advancement. They have less shame than a ******* gin-soaked Hogarth whore, selling her **** to any old ****** for one more glass.

They have ****** everthing, and the bastards will continue to ******* bollocks up anything and every-*******-thing in order to satisfy their own ******* sense of entitlement.

The ******* **** bastards need to **** off. While it's fun to watch the ******* turn on each other (like the duplicitous, perfidious ***** that they are), we need a ******* general election, while there's still something left to ******* govern.

But apart from that... doing a good job?