[Continuation] General UK Politics III - Dumb and Dumber - Page 24

angrysoba · 19th October 2022, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by junkshop

This is the proudest day of my life.

I'd like to thank the Prime Minister and her cabinet members, past and present, for their inspiration (special mention to the sun-kissed facist, Braverman, and the archaic twig himself, Jacob Rees-Mogg); my parents; my fellow posters, I love you all! (except Shemp, obviously); and most importantly, the mod team and the autocensor. Without them maiden aunts the world over would be swooning left, right and centre (for all the wrong reasons).

PS: Was it ***********?

ETA: I guess not.

Was it "They totally Kwartenged the economy"?

ETA: not that either

Agatha · 19th October 2022, 04:19 PM

Krishnan Guru-Murthy called Steve Baker MP a c-word on C4 news earlier this evening, and then Peston called Jeremy Hunt the same word on ITV.

My (detestable) Tory MP, despite standing on an anti-fracking platform, lined up like a good little boy and voted with the government tonight. He won't be forgiven in this constituency - we had a safe Labour seat until our MP supported fracking. He's getting eviscerated on Twitter.

zooterkin · 19th October 2022, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by Lothian

He advised Prince Andrew before this job. Can't see him working again.

To be fair, he did advise against that interview, and resigned before it happened since his advice was ignored.

dudalb · 19th October 2022, 04:33 PM

What is the shortest time in office for a PM?
I think Truss might soon set a record.

dudalb · 19th October 2022, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by Vixen

It is pathetic the way the government is trying to cling on to power. It really should do the sensible thing and call a general election. The motley crew of Hunt, Truss, Shapps, Coffey and Rees-Mogg is like getting an old banger when you ordered a merc. All the wheels falling off, no brakes and the windscreen wipers broken.

They won't because they will likely loose.....

Agatha · 19th October 2022, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

What is the shortest time in office for a PM?
I think Truss might soon set a record.

George Canning, 119 days because he died. Truss is currently at 43 days, and whilst I don't expect her to die, I can't imagine she'll cling on for another 76 days.

dudalb · 19th October 2022, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Agatha

George Canning, 119 days because he died. Truss is currently at 43 days, and whilst I don't expect her to die, I can't imagine she'll cling on for another 76 days.

And who will take her place?
I get the impression that the more capable Conservatives don't want the freaking job at the moment.
Rees Morgan might make it yet......

junkshop · 19th October 2022, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

What is the shortest time in office for a PM?
I think Truss might soon set a record.

Current record holder is George Canning, at 118 or 119 days (his wikipedia page uses both numbers, confusingly).

Either way, Truss is facing an uphill struggle to match his longevity.

a_unique_person · 20th October 2022, 01:32 AM

This is making Australian politics look calm and rational.

jimbob · 20th October 2022, 01:35 AM

Originally Posted by a_unique_person

This is making Australian politics look calm and rational.

My Greek, Sri Lankan, and Italian colleagues are thinking it's a clown show

3point14 · 20th October 2022, 01:57 AM

Originally Posted by jimbob

My Greek, Sri Lankan, and Italian colleagues are thinking it's a clown show

I think they're being rather too charitable with that description.

The Don · 20th October 2022, 02:07 AM

Originally Posted by 3point14

I think they're being rather too charitable with that description.

The thing you must however remember is that the Conservative Party is the party of stability and propriety. It's the party of fiscal responsibility and smaller government.

If Labour had been in power then we'd be in turmoil rather than the calm waters we are in now and Government debt would be spiralling out of control and fiscal policy would be changing from day to day - quite unlike now.

What is currently going on is exactly what happens when the government isn't interested in governing, only in generating positive headlines. It's also what happens when government is hijacked by vested interests rather than considering what the people need.

Unfortunately we have a press which is content to enable the government.

Darat · 20th October 2022, 02:08 AM

Originally Posted by 3point14

I think they're being rather too charitable with that description.

Yeah we passed the happy clappy clown stage a long time, we’ve now gone through the “It” clown, passed by Papa Lazarou and we are now somewhere we’ve never been before.

We’ve had idiots and incompetents in governments forever but I don’t think we’ve ever had a government consisting of so many idiots, and so many mediocre and stupid people. They aren’t even 2nd rate.

Carrot Flower King · 20th October 2022, 02:18 AM

Originally Posted by Garrison

But this was perfect political tactics from Labour, they now have pinned down all those Tory MPs who claimed they were against fracking and have another stick to beat them with when it comes to campaigning at the local level.

That's as maybe, and this did have a big look of heffalump trap, but it points out what a sham our supposedly representative democracy is, with none of those useless ******* representing their constituents. And shows us who the blowhards are.

One of the criticisms of any form of PR involving party lists or multi-member constituencies is that it cedes control of local choice to the parties and removes an element of local representation. But last night's cluster-**** is better and more representative of local wishes in what way?

Carrot Flower King · 20th October 2022, 02:20 AM

Are either of the whips in question the MP of anyone here? If so can you ask them, as interested constituents, if Truss is facing action for not voting in that confidence in her vote?

Inquiring minds need to know just how hypocritical they are being.

ETA Superceded by more accurateinformation than I had from last night (see below).

jimbob · 20th October 2022, 02:22 AM

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King

Are either of the whips in question the MP of anyone here? If so can you ask them, as interested constituents, if Truss is facing action for not voting in that confidence in her vote?

Inquiring minds need to know just how hypocritical they are being.

Curiously* I looked in Hansard this morning and they both are reported to have voted

*With or without the comma

Carrot Flower King · 20th October 2022, 02:28 AM

Originally Posted by jimbob

Curiously* I looked in Hansard this morning and they both are reported to have voted

*With or without the comma

So the suggestion reported in the Graun that Truss was involved in heated discussion with one of them was how she missed the vote would then be utter and complete and total faecal matter of the bovine or a total complete and utter lie?

Pixel42 · 20th October 2022, 02:39 AM

The Guardian's table of how MPs voted has been updated.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...racking-motion

It says at the bottom:

Quote:

This article was updated to reflect a change in the official House of Commons data on the vote. While the data previously said that Liz Truss did not vote, it now says that she voted against the motion. It has been reported that she was distracted by the scenes witnessed in the voting lobbies, including the reported temporary resignation of the chief whip. It is not unusual for small amendments to be made to the voting record in the hours after a vote.

Carrot Flower King · 20th October 2022, 02:49 AM

Bugger!

I was going off the reported voting in the couple of hours after the vote.

I must admit to some confirmation bias, as it would have confirmed just how stupid I think Truss is...

junkshop · 20th October 2022, 03:09 AM

Originally Posted by Pixel42

Quote:

...including the reported temporary resignation of the chief whip...

Temporary resignation?

jimbob · 20th October 2022, 03:09 AM

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King

Bugger!

I was going off the reported voting in the couple of hours after the vote.

I must admit to some confirmation bias, as it would have confirmed just how stupid I think Truss is...

https://twitter.com/garius/status/15...6WkfowVFUV7IXw

Quote:

John Bull
@garius
Indeed initially it appeared the abstainers included THE PM HERSELF, to the surprise of myself, others and a number of MPs.

Luckily for her it turns out she DID vote no. She was just presumably too busy being chewed out by her own chief whip to tap the digital vote recorder.
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Jack by the hedge · 20th October 2022, 03:46 AM

Originally Posted by Mojo

Crunch Commons vote on fracking descends into farce

Quote:

However, Jacob Rees-Mogg, the business and energy secretary, disputed this, pointing to the government’s majority in the vote. He said: “This is a government that is functioning well.”

I don't even need to search to know JRM and that quote are now being pasted into a thousand "This is fine" memes.

KDLarsen · 20th October 2022, 04:09 AM

Originally Posted by jimbob

https://twitter.com/garius/status/15...6WkfowVFUV7IXw

Incidently another prime example of how outdated and antiquated House of Commons procedures are. The whole "Let's all go to the lobby and be manually counted while at the same time digitally recording our vote anyway" is why it takes 10 minutes to conduct a vote, that most other reasonably enlightened countries complete in about a minute.

jeremyp · 20th October 2022, 04:14 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

King Charles III should put a stop to all this nonsense. Dissolve parliament and rule absolutely. THAT'S the answer! After all, his prior namesake did that.

But it ended badly for Charles I.

KDLarsen · 20th October 2022, 04:15 AM

Oh, and Truss is now meeting the head of the Grey Suits, Graham Brady.

Darat · 20th October 2022, 04:19 AM

Originally Posted by jeremyp

But it ended badly for Charles I.

Not seeing the negative in this historical analogy.....

Darat · 20th October 2022, 04:21 AM

Originally Posted by KDLarsen

Oh, and Truss is now meeting the head of the Grey Suits, Graham Brady.

We've had Schrödinger's whips for the last 24 hours, we may as well have a Schrödinger's PM for the day.

Darat · 20th October 2022, 04:21 AM

Originally Posted by KDLarsen

Incidently another prime example of how outdated and antiquated House of Commons procedures are. The whole "Let's all go to the lobby and be manually counted while at the same time digitally recording our vote anyway" is why it takes 10 minutes to conduct a vote, that most other reasonably enlightened countries complete in about a minute.

But... but... tradition! Tourism!

catsmate · 20th October 2022, 04:24 AM

Where is Larry the cat?

KDLarsen · 20th October 2022, 04:25 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

But... but... tradition! Tourism!

Bugger, I can't argue with the highlighted, seeing as I plan to take a tour of Westminster when I visit London in December

KDLarsen · 20th October 2022, 04:25 AM

Originally Posted by catsmate

Where is Larry the cat?

At the going rate, he's probably resigned. That or he hitched a ride with Boris Johnson to the Caribbean...

jeremyp · 20th October 2022, 04:29 AM

Originally Posted by jimbob

It also led Darat to introduce a new word to the autocensor #modsecrets

Bastard or wanker?

ETA: Never mind, clearly neither.

jeremyp · 20th October 2022, 04:36 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

Not seeing the negative in this historical analogy.....

It's not you whose head would be on the block as it were. I imagine the King is pretty attached to his noggin and doesn't want that state of affairs to change.

Lothian · 20th October 2022, 04:47 AM

Originally Posted by jimbob

It also led Darat to introduce a new word to the autocensor #modsecrets

Originally Posted by jeremyp

Bastard or wanker?

Never mind your opinion of Darat, are not going to guess the word?

:

Darat · 20th October 2022, 04:55 AM

Originally Posted by catsmate

Where is Larry the cat?

Following the rats....

Norman Alexander · 20th October 2022, 05:00 AM

Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge

I don't even need to search to know JRM and that quote are now being pasted into a thousand "This is fine" memes.

I was going to suggest that for shiggles, at this stage of the comedic farce, giving Jacob Rees-Mogg a run in the PM position would be...well, not so much icing on the cake as finely-crafted manure on a dung-heap. But having seen the fracas and knowing him and seeing this quote, it would be arsenic salts on an open wound. The only way it could be guaranteed to be worse.

Norman Alexander · 20th October 2022, 05:00 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

Following the rats....

Suella is LONG gone.

KDLarsen · 20th October 2022, 05:01 AM

So that's Truss, deputy PM Coffey, Graham Brady and now also the chair of the Tory Party, Jake Berry, who are all gathered at No. 10.

Norman Alexander · 20th October 2022, 05:04 AM

Originally Posted by jeremyp

But it ended badly for Charles I.

How's it all starting for Charles III? Think he will have a country to reign over tomorrow?

Darat · 20th October 2022, 05:05 AM

Hope no one walks in with a cake.

19th October 2022, 04:09 PM	#921
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 33,995	Originally Posted by junkshop This is the proudest day of my life. I'd like to thank the Prime Minister and her cabinet members, past and present, for their inspiration (special mention to the sun-kissed facist, Braverman, and the archaic twig himself, Jacob Rees-Mogg); my parents; my fellow posters, I love you all! (except Shemp, obviously); and most importantly, the mod team and the autocensor. Without them maiden aunts the world over would be swooning left, right and centre (for all the wrong reasons). PS: Was it ***********? ETA: I guess not. Was it "They totally Kwartenged the economy"? ETA: not that either
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19th October 2022, 04:19 PM	#922
Agatha Winking at the Moon Administrator Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: UK Posts: 16,018	Krishnan Guru-Murthy called Steve Baker MP a c-word on C4 news earlier this evening, and then Peston called Jeremy Hunt the same word on ITV. My (detestable) Tory MP, despite standing on an anti-fracking platform, lined up like a good little boy and voted with the government tonight. He won't be forgiven in this constituency - we had a safe Labour seat until our MP supported fracking. He's getting eviscerated on Twitter.
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19th October 2022, 04:20 PM	#923
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19th October 2022, 04:33 PM	#924
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 57,715	What is the shortest time in office for a PM? I think Truss might soon set a record.
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19th October 2022, 04:39 PM	#925
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 57,715	Originally Posted by Vixen It is pathetic the way the government is trying to cling on to power. It really should do the sensible thing and call a general election. The motley crew of Hunt, Truss, Shapps, Coffey and Rees-Mogg is like getting an old banger when you ordered a merc. All the wheels falling off, no brakes and the windscreen wipers broken. They won't because they will likely loose.....
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19th October 2022, 04:51 PM	#926
Agatha Winking at the Moon Administrator Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: UK Posts: 16,018	Originally Posted by dudalb What is the shortest time in office for a PM? I think Truss might soon set a record. George Canning, 119 days because he died. Truss is currently at 43 days, and whilst I don't expect her to die, I can't imagine she'll cling on for another 76 days.
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19th October 2022, 04:56 PM	#927
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 57,715	Originally Posted by Agatha George Canning, 119 days because he died. Truss is currently at 43 days, and whilst I don't expect her to die, I can't imagine she'll cling on for another 76 days. And who will take her place? I get the impression that the more capable Conservatives don't want the freaking job at the moment. Rees Morgan might make it yet......
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19th October 2022, 04:57 PM	#928
junkshop Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: in the kitchen Posts: 1,523	Originally Posted by dudalb What is the shortest time in office for a PM? I think Truss might soon set a record. Current record holder is George Canning, at 118 or 119 days (his wikipedia page uses both numbers, confusingly). Either way, Truss is facing an uphill struggle to match his longevity.
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20th October 2022, 01:32 AM	#929
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20th October 2022, 01:35 AM	#930
jimbob Uncritical "thinker" Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 29,185	Originally Posted by a_unique_person This is making Australian politics look calm and rational. My Greek, Sri Lankan, and Italian colleagues are thinking it's a clown show
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20th October 2022, 01:57 AM	#931
3point14 Pi Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 21,540	Originally Posted by jimbob My Greek, Sri Lankan, and Italian colleagues are thinking it's a clown show I think they're being rather too charitable with that description.
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20th October 2022, 02:07 AM	#932
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 36,328	Originally Posted by 3point14 I think they're being rather too charitable with that description. The thing you must however remember is that the Conservative Party is the party of stability and propriety. It's the party of fiscal responsibility and smaller government. If Labour had been in power then we'd be in turmoil rather than the calm waters we are in now and Government debt would be spiralling out of control and fiscal policy would be changing from day to day - quite unlike now. What is currently going on is exactly what happens when the government isn't interested in governing, only in generating positive headlines. It's also what happens when government is hijacked by vested interests rather than considering what the people need. Unfortunately we have a press which is content to enable the government.

20th October 2022, 02:08 AM	#933
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 108,048	Originally Posted by 3point14 I think they're being rather too charitable with that description. Yeah we passed the happy clappy clown stage a long time, we’ve now gone through the “It” clown, passed by Papa Lazarou and we are now somewhere we’ve never been before. We’ve had idiots and incompetents in governments forever but I don’t think we’ve ever had a government consisting of so many idiots, and so many mediocre and stupid people. They aren’t even 2nd rate.
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20th October 2022, 02:18 AM	#934
Carrot Flower King Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Northumberland, UK Posts: 3,606	Originally Posted by Garrison But this was perfect political tactics from Labour, they now have pinned down all those Tory MPs who claimed they were against fracking and have another stick to beat them with when it comes to campaigning at the local level. That's as maybe, and this did have a big look of heffalump trap, but it points out what a sham our supposedly representative democracy is, with none of those useless ***** representing their constituents. And shows us who the blowhards are. One of the criticisms of any form of PR involving party lists or multi-member constituencies is that it cedes control of local choice to the parties and removes an element of local representation. But last night's cluster-** is better and more representative of local wishes in what way?

20th October 2022, 02:20 AM	#935
Carrot Flower King Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Northumberland, UK Posts: 3,606	Are either of the whips in question the MP of anyone here? If so can you ask them, as interested constituents, if Truss is facing action for not voting in that confidence in her vote? Inquiring minds need to know just how hypocritical they are being. ETA Superceded by more accurateinformation than I had from last night (see below).
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20th October 2022, 02:22 AM	#936
jimbob Uncritical "thinker" Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 29,185	Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King Are either of the whips in question the MP of anyone here? If so can you ask them, as interested constituents, if Truss is facing action for not voting in that confidence in her vote? Inquiring minds need to know just how hypocritical they are being. Curiously* I looked in Hansard this morning and they both are reported to have voted *With or without the comma
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20th October 2022, 02:28 AM	#937
Carrot Flower King Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Northumberland, UK Posts: 3,606	Originally Posted by jimbob Curiously* I looked in Hansard this morning and they both are reported to have voted *With or without the comma So the suggestion reported in the Graun that Truss was involved in heated discussion with one of them was how she missed the vote would then be utter and complete and total faecal matter of the bovine or a total complete and utter lie?

20th October 2022, 02:39 AM	#938
Pixel42 Schrödinger's cat Join Date: May 2004 Location: Malmesbury, UK Posts: 15,301	The Guardian's table of how MPs voted has been updated. https://www.theguardian.com/environm...racking-motion It says at the bottom: Quote: This article was updated to reflect a change in the official House of Commons data on the vote. While the data previously said that Liz Truss did not vote, it now says that she voted against the motion. It has been reported that she was distracted by the scenes witnessed in the voting lobbies, including the reported temporary resignation of the chief whip. It is not unusual for small amendments to be made to the voting record in the hours after a vote.
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20th October 2022, 02:49 AM	#939
Carrot Flower King Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Northumberland, UK Posts: 3,606	Bugger! I was going off the reported voting in the couple of hours after the vote. I must admit to some confirmation bias, as it would have confirmed just how stupid I think Truss is...

20th October 2022, 03:09 AM	#940
junkshop Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: in the kitchen Posts: 1,523	Originally Posted by Pixel42 Quote: ...including the reported temporary resignation of the chief whip... Temporary resignation?
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20th October 2022, 03:09 AM	#941
jimbob Uncritical "thinker" Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 29,185	Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King Bugger! I was going off the reported voting in the couple of hours after the vote. I must admit to some confirmation bias, as it would have confirmed just how stupid I think Truss is... https://twitter.com/garius/status/15...6WkfowVFUV7IXw Quote: John Bull @garius Indeed initially it appeared the abstainers included THE PM HERSELF, to the surprise of myself, others and a number of MPs. Luckily for her it turns out she DID vote no. She was just presumably too busy being chewed out by her own chief whip to tap the digital vote recorder. 8:31 AM · Oct 20, 2022 ·Twitter Web App
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20th October 2022, 03:46 AM	#942
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 14,406	Originally Posted by Mojo Crunch Commons vote on fracking descends into farce Quote: However, Jacob Rees-Mogg, the business and energy secretary, disputed this, pointing to the government’s majority in the vote. He said: “This is a government that is functioning well.” I don't even need to search to know JRM and that quote are now being pasted into a thousand "This is fine" memes.

20th October 2022, 04:09 AM	#943
KDLarsen Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 4,854	Originally Posted by jimbob https://twitter.com/garius/status/15...6WkfowVFUV7IXw Incidently another prime example of how outdated and antiquated House of Commons procedures are. The whole "Let's all go to the lobby and be manually counted while at the same time digitally recording our vote anyway" is why it takes 10 minutes to conduct a vote, that most other reasonably enlightened countries complete in about a minute.
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20th October 2022, 04:14 AM	#944
jeremyp Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha Posts: 2,418	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander King Charles III should put a stop to all this nonsense. Dissolve parliament and rule absolutely. THAT'S the answer! After all, his prior namesake did that. But it ended badly for Charles I.

20th October 2022, 04:15 AM	#945
KDLarsen Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 4,854	Oh, and Truss is now meeting the head of the Grey Suits, Graham Brady.
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20th October 2022, 04:19 AM	#946
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 108,048	Originally Posted by jeremyp But it ended badly for Charles I. Not seeing the negative in this historical analogy.....
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20th October 2022, 04:21 AM	#947
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 108,048	Originally Posted by KDLarsen Oh, and Truss is now meeting the head of the Grey Suits, Graham Brady. We've had Schrödinger's whips for the last 24 hours, we may as well have a Schrödinger's PM for the day.
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20th October 2022, 04:21 AM	#948
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 108,048	Originally Posted by KDLarsen Incidently another prime example of how outdated and antiquated House of Commons procedures are. The whole "Let's all go to the lobby and be manually counted while at the same time digitally recording our vote anyway" is why it takes 10 minutes to conduct a vote, that most other reasonably enlightened countries complete in about a minute. But... but... tradition! Tourism!
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20th October 2022, 04:24 AM	#949
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 28,082	Where is Larry the cat?
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20th October 2022, 04:25 AM	#950
KDLarsen Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 4,854	Originally Posted by Darat But... but... tradition! Tourism! Bugger, I can't argue with the highlighted, seeing as I plan to take a tour of Westminster when I visit London in December
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20th October 2022, 04:25 AM	#951
KDLarsen Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 4,854	Originally Posted by catsmate Where is Larry the cat? At the going rate, he's probably resigned. That or he hitched a ride with Boris Johnson to the Caribbean...
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20th October 2022, 04:29 AM	#952
jeremyp Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha Posts: 2,418	Originally Posted by jimbob It also led Darat to introduce a new word to the autocensor #modsecrets Bastard or wanker? ETA: Never mind, clearly neither.

20th October 2022, 04:36 AM	#953
jeremyp Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha Posts: 2,418	Originally Posted by Darat Not seeing the negative in this historical analogy..... It's not you whose head would be on the block as it were. I imagine the King is pretty attached to his noggin and doesn't want that state of affairs to change.

20th October 2022, 04:47 AM	#954
Lothian should be banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Earth, specifically the crusty bit on the outside Posts: 18,416	Originally Posted by jimbob It also led Darat to introduce a new word to the autocensor #modsecrets Originally Posted by jeremyp Bastard or wanker? Never mind your opinion of Darat, are not going to guess the word? :

20th October 2022, 04:55 AM	#955
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 108,048	Originally Posted by catsmate Where is Larry the cat? Following the rats....
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