Jordan Peterson Event Report - Page 6

Robin · 28th November 2022, 04:48 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

No, it does not.

Being able to see the future does not mean you have directed it.

I don't know why people are confused by this concept.

You are missing the point here. No-one said that being able to see the future means you directed it.

See my post above. But also, to make sure we are on the same page about free will, please answer this.

Do you think that it can be true that a person has free will and also true that every single thing that person does in his life was already inevitable before he was born?

Gulliver Foyle · 29th November 2022, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by Robin

Well, no. Free will depends on substitutability - the "I could have done otherwise."

If I am considering two options, having free will implies that both options are still possible at that time. If God knows in advance what I will choose then that implies that when I am considering those options it is already inevitable which one I would take and that all but one of the ostensible choices were already impossible.

In fact it would imply that every single thing we say and do in our lives was already inevitable before we were born.

Precisely.

dann · 19th March 2023, 04:27 AM

This is not a link to Jordan Peterson's porn video, and it doesn't contain footage of photos from that video, so I think it's safe for work - unless the mere description of the video may cause problems:

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Jordan Peterson retweeted a weird porn video of men getting their penises "milked" and claimed the Chinese government was behind it. Ana Kasparian and Cenk Uygur discuss on The Young Turks. Watch TYT LIVE on weekdays 6-8 pm ET.
Jordan Peterson Tricked By "Milking" Video (The Young Turks on YouTube, Mar 14, 2023)

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28th November 2022, 04:48 AM	#201
Robin Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 14,661	Originally Posted by Warp12 No, it does not. Being able to see the future does not mean you have directed it. I don't know why people are confused by this concept. You are missing the point here. No-one said that being able to see the future means you directed it. See my post above. But also, to make sure we are on the same page about free will, please answer this. Do you think that it can be true that a person has free will and also true that every single thing that person does in his life was already inevitable before he was born?

29th November 2022, 10:32 AM	#202
Gulliver Foyle Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 1,260	Originally Posted by Robin Well, no. Free will depends on substitutability - the "I could have done otherwise." If I am considering two options, having free will implies that both options are still possible at that time. If God knows in advance what I will choose then that implies that when I am considering those options it is already inevitable which one I would take and that all but one of the ostensible choices were already impossible. In fact it would imply that every single thing we say and do in our lives was already inevitable before we were born. Precisely.