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Old 13th March 2018, 05:03 AM   #2721
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
That Trump, against all evidence, wasn't a true Scotsman after all?
Half a Scotsman, to our eternal shame Mind you it would at least go part way to explaining the orange hair - not the skin mind, just the hair...
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Old 13th March 2018, 05:23 AM   #2722
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I wonder what TBD and the other nay-sayers will say if and when Mueller's investigation takes down the major players of Trump's organisation and family? What excuses should we get?
The nay-sayers of record (I'm pretty sure we're talking about the same individuals) haven't actually said a damned thing in defense of Trump. It's their version of plausible deniability. All their energies are directed to actual "nay" saying. Attacking the critics. Indirectly, of course, it achieves the same result but they like to salve their consciences with the fact that they're not really Trump people, just conservatives who hate libruls and progressives and moderates and well, anyone who is against their dogma, the chief purveyor of which is Donald John Trump, but nosiree, they're not Trump supporters, not them.
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Old 13th March 2018, 05:32 AM   #2723
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You're right, FMW. Some of them are actually Bernie bros, I hear.
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Old 13th March 2018, 06:19 AM   #2724
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Tillerson calls attack on Skripal "egregious", and opines that "it clearly came from Russia". It'll be interesting to see how his position compares to that of Trump.
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Old 13th March 2018, 06:24 AM   #2725
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I think, perhaps, we can gauge Trump's response from Sarah Sanders':



I.e. "Russia? What's a Russia?"
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Old 13th March 2018, 06:41 AM   #2726
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
Tillerson calls attack on Skripal "egregious", and opines that "it clearly came from Russia". It'll be interesting to see how his position compares to that of Trump.
From the Trump thread:

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Tillerson out. Spook in.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/13/u...on-pompeo.html

"Rex Tillerson Out as Trump’s Secretary of State, Replaced by Mike Pompeo"
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Old 13th March 2018, 08:04 AM   #2727
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Originally Posted by fagin View Post
From the Trump thread:
Yes. I wonder in what order that all happened.

Speaking of Tillerson....
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Old 13th March 2018, 08:06 AM   #2728
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The US State Department have denied a Russian ambassador offered to meet with Tillerson in Ethiopia last week, and the Russians seem quite keen to prove that the invitation was indeed sent
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Old 13th March 2018, 08:33 AM   #2729
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Hypothetical what if Putin has Homosexual sex tapes of Trump with young men,
what will happen to his Evangelical base? Could stormy Daniels secret be that Trump is Hi sexual?
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Old 13th March 2018, 08:44 AM   #2730
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Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw View Post
Hypothetical what if Putin has Homosexual sex tapes of Trump with young men,
What if Putin has Homosexual sex with young men over tapes of Trump?

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what will happen to his Evangelical base?
Nothing.
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Old 13th March 2018, 08:47 AM   #2731
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Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw View Post
Hypothetical what if Putin has Homosexual sex tapes of Trump with young men,
what will happen to his Evangelical base? Could stormy Daniels secret be that Trump is Hi sexual?

Can you think of a more effective Gay-Conversion Therapy than having sex with Trump ?
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Old 13th March 2018, 08:48 AM   #2732
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What if Putin has Homosexual sex with young men over tapes of Trump?



Nothing.
Actually that's the one thing the Evangelicals can not tolerate. Fire and Brimstone you know.
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Old 13th March 2018, 09:01 AM   #2733
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Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw View Post
Actually that's the one thing the Evangelicals can not tolerate. Fire and Brimstone you know.
Nonsense. There's plenty of things they don't tolerate and yet said nothing about with regards to Trump. Or were you being facetious?
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Old 13th March 2018, 10:26 AM   #2734
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Nonsense. There's plenty of things they don't tolerate and yet said nothing about with regards to Trump. Or were you being facetious?
They have Preached The fire and Brimstone sermons for 2000 years, Evangelicals especially the ministers can't endorse Anal sex or Tolerate it, the one thing they can't excuse, worse than murder to them.
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Old 13th March 2018, 10:40 AM   #2735
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It's being reported that the FBI tried to meet with Rybka, but was prevented from doing so by Thai authorities

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Old 13th March 2018, 10:46 AM   #2736
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Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw View Post
They have Preached The fire and Brimstone sermons for 2000 years, Evangelicals especially the ministers can't endorse Anal sex or Tolerate it, the one thing they can't excuse, worse than murder to them.
Yeah? Watch them.

Convenience is stronger than ideology.
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Old 13th March 2018, 10:46 AM   #2737
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
Hi, and thanks for your link to "the tweet from Olga_Lautman NYC .."

That tweet appears to have nothing to do with what you are claiming.

can you explain why you have linked to "Olga_Lautman NYC .."
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Old 13th March 2018, 10:50 AM   #2738
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After seeing how well it went for Putin, they want to give Trump a chance to make an offer first
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Old 13th March 2018, 10:54 AM   #2739
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Yeah? Watch them.

Convenience is stronger than ideology.
I am some Evangelicals are putting two and two together.
https://www.myajc.com/news/white-eva...orPhbfFPKcOiM/
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I am some Evangelicals are putting two and two together.
https://www.myajc.com/news/white-eva...orPhbfFPKcOiM/
Typical: having the cake and eating it, too:
They will stick with Trump as long as he keeps on giving them what they want - unless they find someone else who can do the same.
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Old 13th March 2018, 11:05 AM   #2741
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Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw View Post
I am some Evangelicals are putting two and two together.
https://www.myajc.com/news/white-eva...orPhbfFPKcOiM/
Some, sure. I'm talking generally.
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Old 13th March 2018, 11:13 AM   #2742
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No if this turns out to be true it would doom Trump even Mitch McConnell couldn't support him and hope to be re elected to the senate in Ky.
You have very odd views about Evangelical values. Honestly.
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You have very odd views about Evangelical values. Honestly.
I dunno. Gaysex really might be a dealbreaker for them. It's about bigotry, not religion.
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I dunno. Gaysex really might be a dealbreaker for them. It's about bigotry, not religion.
Crazy Chainsaw is currently talking about heterosexual anal intercourse, not gay sex.
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Crazy Chainsaw is currently talking about heterosexual anal intercourse, not gay sex.
...still the issue whether Trump was on the giving or receiving end....
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Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
Crazy Chainsaw is currently talking about heterosexual anal intercourse, not gay sex.
Admittedly, there did seem to be a lot of confusion from him on that point...

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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Hi, and thanks for your link to "the tweet from Olga_Lautman NYC .."

That tweet appears to have nothing to do with what you are claiming.

can you explain why you have linked to "Olga_Lautman NYC .."
Thanks for the heads-up. Fixed.
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Crazy Chainsaw is currently talking about heterosexual anal intercourse, not gay sex.
The Evangelicals in Kentucky at Mitch's church preach Sodomy is Sodomy as do most Fundamentalist babtists and Methodists.
So to them it doesn't matter Kentucky even tried to pass an Anti Sodomy Law.
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Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
Crazy Chainsaw is currently talking about heterosexual anal intercourse, not gay sex.
I thought it was gay sex

Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw View Post
Hypothetical what if Putin has Homosexual sex tapes of Trump with young men,
what will happen to his Evangelical base? Could stormy Daniels secret be that Trump is Hi sexual?

But not that I think that is likely.
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The Evangelicals in Kentucky at Mitch's church preach Sodomy is Sodomy as do most Fundamentalist babtists and Methodists.
Basically they are against any type of sex that cannot result in offspring.

Although I'm surprised they'd be that much against sodomy... after all, that's where lawyers come from.
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Yes. I wonder in what order that all happened.

Speaking of Tillerson....
Let me speculate if I may. Tillerson badmouths Russia. Russia tells Trump to can Tillerson. Trump does.

Now it could be Russia manipulated Trump rather than giving him a direct order. It probably wasn't hard to do.
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I thought it was gay sex




But not that I think that is likely.
See his later posts. Chainsaw is quite convinced that, if it becomes public knowledge that Trump engaged in heterosexual anal sex, then McConnell will not be re-elected in Kentucky.

It is a novel political analysis, I'll grant that.
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They have Preached The fire and Brimstone sermons for 2000 years, Evangelicals especially the ministers can't endorse Anal sex or Tolerate it, the one thing they can't excuse, worse than murder to them.

You mean, except for when they get caught at it.

Then they can be "forgiven".
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See his later posts. Chainsaw is quite convinced that, if it becomes public knowledge that Trump engaged in heterosexual anal sex, then McConnell will not be re-elected in Kentucky.

It is a novel political analysis, I'll grant that.
Fair enough - and it is a somewhat hypothetical situation.

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That last line looks British in its choice of words - I approve. Do you think you've been influenced by our liking for moderate understatement, or have you always liked that?
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Tillerson calls attack on Skripal "egregious", and opines that "it clearly came from Russia". It'll be interesting to see how his position compares to that of Trump.
And it might have cost Tillerson his job.....
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Re Tillerson, I've seen it reported that the decision to get rid of him happened while he was in Africa, so him speaking out about Russia happened afterwards. Whether or not he knew at that point that he'd been fired is a different question that I don't know the answer to.
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Fair enough - and it is a somewhat hypothetical situation.

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That last line looks British in its choice of words - I approve. Do you think you've been influenced by our liking for moderate understatement, or have you always liked that?
People often guess (by my accent) that I'm either British or Irish, when I'm actually from Oklahoma. I just grew up listening to too many Monty Python records.

That and (more recently) BBC4 downloads undoubtedly affected my tendency for understatement.
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Re Tillerson, I've seen it reported that the decision to get rid of him happened while he was in Africa, so him speaking out about Russia happened afterwards. Whether or not he knew at that point that he'd been fired is a different question that I don't know the answer to.
There have been rumors of everyone leaving and Trump denying it. None of that means a thing.
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Rep. Trey Gowdy disagrees with GOP colleagues in House probe, says Russia wanted to hurt Hillary Clinton

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In a statement, Gowdy said it was "clear, based on the evidence, Russia had disdain for Secretary Clinton and was motivated in whole or in part by a desire to harm her candidacy or undermine her Presidency had she prevailed."

The statement from Gowdy, who is not seeking re-election at the end of his current term, cuts against conclusions announced Monday by the Republican-led House Intelligence Committee.

Chairman Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., said on Monday that the committee, which has been active for more than a year, has finished conducting interviews as part of its investigation. In his statement, Nunes thanked Gowdy, as well as Republican Reps. Tom Rooney of Florida and Mike Conaway of Texas, "for the excellent job they've done leading this investigation."

But Gowdy's Tuesday statement appeared to contradict the initial findings of his own investigation, which said it disagreed with the intelligence community's prior judgments "with respect to [Russian President Vladimir] Putin's supposed preference for candidate Trump."
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It's being reported that, via communication with Assange, Roger Stone knew about the Podesta emails before it was public knowledge
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