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Old 14th March 2018, 03:20 AM   #2761
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The Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee have released their own report, detailing the key witnesses that have not been interviewed, and the documents that have not been procured, despite the Republicans declaring the investigation finished
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Old 15th March 2018, 03:15 AM   #2762
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Eric Swalwell to @NicolleDWallace on House Intel Republicans: "We saw strong evidence of collusion. They just chose to ignore it. And some of them worked very hard to bury it."
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Old 15th March 2018, 03:19 AM   #2763
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The United States stands in solidarity with its closest ally, the United Kingdom. The United States shares the United Kingdom’s assessment that Russia is responsible for the reckless nerve agent attack on a British citizen and his daughter, and we support the United Kingdom’s decision to expel Russian diplomats as a just response. This latest action by Russia fits into a pattern of behavior in which Russia disregards the international rules-based order, undermines the sovereignty and security of countries worldwide, and attempts to subvert and discredit Western democratic institutions and processes. The United States is working together with our allies and partners to ensure that this kind of abhorrent attack does not happen again.
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Old 15th March 2018, 03:31 AM   #2764
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At UN Security Council meeting, Amb. [Nikki] Haley says US believes Russia is responsible for nerve attack:

"If we don’t take immediate, concrete measures to address this now, Salisbury will not be the last place we see chemical weapons used ... This is a defining moment."
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Old 15th March 2018, 04:11 AM   #2765
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Who's she planning to blame? Tillerson greased the skids on his own departure sled by criticizing Putie and purportedly it angered Trump to the point that he finally pulled the plug.

Any word on whether Haley is circulating her resume?
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Old 15th March 2018, 10:56 AM   #2766
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/15/u...er-russia.html

WASHINGTON — The special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, has subpoenaed the Trump Organization to turn over documents, including some related to Russia, according to two people briefed on the matter. The order is the first known time that the special counsel demanded documents directly related to President Trump’s businesses, bringing the investigation closer to the president.

The breadth of the subpoena was not clear, nor was it clear why Mr. Mueller issued it instead of simply asking for the documents from the company, an umbrella organization that oversees Mr. Trump’s business ventures. In the subpoena, delivered in recent weeks, Mr. Mueller ordered the Trump Organization to hand over all documents related to Russia and other topics he is investigating, the people said.
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Old 15th March 2018, 10:57 AM   #2767
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Trump says "it certainly looks like the Russians were behind it" about the UK nerve agent attack

And the US has imposed sanctions on 19 individuals, including the 13 Mueller indicted, with Steve Munchin saying they are responsible for "destructive cyber-attacks, and intrusions targeting critical infrastructure", and promises further sanctions

If even the Trump administration are officially recognising it, then surely it must give those who have been denying it pause for thought?
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Old 15th March 2018, 11:02 AM   #2768
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It’s an example of Trump’s eleventy-D chess. If he does anything negative to the Ruskies, it undermines the whole whole Trump/Russia connection.
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It’s an example of Trump’s eleventy-D chess. If he does anything negative to the Ruskies, it undermines the whole whole Trump/Russia connection.
I can't help but notice the timing. It sounds like Trump is throwing Russia under the bus now that the investigation is breaching the Trump Organization's outer walls.

(is that too many metaphors?)
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Old 15th March 2018, 12:06 PM   #2770
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/15/u...er-russia.html

WASHINGTON — The special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, has subpoenaed the Trump Organization to turn over documents, including some related to Russia, according to two people briefed on the matter. The order is the first known time that the special counsel demanded documents directly related to President Trump’s businesses, bringing the investigation closer to the president.

The breadth of the subpoena was not clear, nor was it clear why Mr. Mueller issued it instead of simply asking for the documents from the company, an umbrella organization that oversees Mr. Trump’s business ventures. In the subpoena, delivered in recent weeks, Mr. Mueller ordered the Trump Organization to hand over all documents related to Russia and other topics he is investigating, the people said.
I was thinking we had a slow day today. Usually there'd be a PR disaster or two by now.
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Old 15th March 2018, 04:45 PM   #2771
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Dear House Intel Republicans: Mueller indicted 13 Russians for conspiracy to help @realDonaldTrump & disparage Hillary. Trump Administration has now sanctioned them.

You are going to look mighty stupid if your partisan report actually says these Russians weren't helping Trump.
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Old 15th March 2018, 04:54 PM   #2772
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D.Trump Jr's wife has filed for divorce.

Rats, ship, sinking....?
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Old 15th March 2018, 05:18 PM   #2773
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D.Trump Jr's wife has filed for divorce.

Rats, ship, sinking....?
Gold, digging?
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Old 15th March 2018, 05:35 PM   #2774
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It's being reported that House intelligence Republicans feel they botched the announcement of the end of the Russia investigation - and some are reportedly privately standing with Gowdy's statement that it's clear that Russia was working to harm the Clinton campaign
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Old 15th March 2018, 05:47 PM   #2775
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
"Intelligence Republicans". Stop, already, you're killing me.

They may be privately standing with Gowdy, but you can bet Trump's lickspittle Nunes has grassed them up already.
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Old 15th March 2018, 09:39 PM   #2776
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They had to get that out now in case Trump tries to shut down Mueller. They or Trump will then be able to say that they have already finished their investigation and there was no collusion.
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Old 15th March 2018, 11:02 PM   #2777
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It is just stupid for Republicans to claim that Russia didn't help Trump win whilst admitting that they did work to undermine Clinton: in an election this close it amounts to same thing.
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Old 15th March 2018, 11:09 PM   #2778
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Gold, digging?
You can bet there was a pre-nup. But with five children, she'll still walk away with a fortune in child support and a huge house at the very least.
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You can bet there was a pre-nup. But with five children, she'll still walk away with a fortune in child support and a huge house at the very least.
Unless Donald Jr is shown to have a lower income and rather fewer assets than a casual observer may be drawn to believe. Suddenly all the assets belong to Trump Corp or some other company in which he has little or no direct interest
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It's being reported that House Democrats are looking to interview an NRA lawyer after she expressed concerns about the NRA potentially being used to funnel funds from Russia to the Trump campaign
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Old 16th March 2018, 01:34 AM   #2781
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The authors of "Russian Roulette: The Inside Story of Putin’s War on America and the Election of Donald Trump," talk about their findings.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...velations.html
https://www.amazon.com/Russian-Roule.../dp/B075WVX3MS
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Old 16th March 2018, 01:39 AM   #2782
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This is probably the reason why Obama didn't pull the trigger on attacking Russia's cyber-infrastructure: we are in another MAD scenario, only this time in Cyberspace.
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I'm not seeing important parts of this corroborated. https://www.us-cert.gov/ncas/alerts/TA18-074A is the link that CNN gave to the announcement. On a quick skim, various areas were targeted, including nuclear stuff, yes, but details about what was actually compromised seem less clear. The claim about "can shut it down at will" seems completely unsupported, regardless of whether it's even potentially feasible. I fully admit to my ignorance about how, exactly, the relevant power grids are set up, though, which leads to that last qualification.

On a notably different topic, NBC is reporting that a couple House Democrats are claiming that whistleblowers are saying that government workers are being targeted for not supporting Trump strongly enough.
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I'm not seeing important parts of this corroborated. https://www.us-cert.gov/ncas/alerts/TA18-074A is the link that CNN gave to the announcement. On a quick skim, various areas were targeted, including nuclear stuff, yes, but details about what was actually compromised seem less clear. The claim about "can shut it down at will" seems completely unsupported, regardless of whether it's even potentially feasible. I fully admit to my ignorance about how, exactly, the relevant power grids are set up, though, which leads to that last qualification.

On a notably different topic, NBC is reporting that a couple House Democrats are claiming that whistleblowers are saying that government workers are being targeted for not supporting Trump strongly enough.
Call me sceptical about that claim too.
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Taking down an electrical grid, at least for a while, isn't hard: bad weather or peak load might do it for you.
Add to that the fact that while US grids are connected across state lines, providers are often independent.
If would not have been difficult to insert malware during all the upgrades.
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I'm not seeing important parts of this corroborated. https://www.us-cert.gov/ncas/alerts/TA18-074A is the link that CNN gave to the announcement. On a quick skim, various areas were targeted, including nuclear stuff, yes, but details about what was actually compromised seem less clear. The claim about "can shut it down at will" seems completely unsupported, regardless of whether it's even potentially feasible. I fully admit to my ignorance about how, exactly, the relevant power grids are set up, though, which leads to that last qualification.
Thanks. When I first saw that tweet I couldn't find it being reported anywhere else. I agree with you that it seems to very much overstate the truth, as per that report.
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I guess we now know which documents Mueller is looking for with his subpoena.
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The Trump Organisation has ties going back to Russia for decades, and much of it is alleged to be about money laundering. I'm sure Mueller, given his remit, won't want to stick just to Trump Tower Moscow.
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The Trump Organisation has ties going back to Russia for decades, and much of it is alleged to be about money laundering. I'm sure Mueller, given his remit, won't want to stick just to Trump Tower Moscow.
According to his mandate, Mueller has to follow the breadcrumbs - and Trump Tower Moscow is his way into the rest of the Trump Organization.
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According to his mandate, Mueller has to follow the breadcrumbs - and Trump Tower Moscow is his way into the rest of the Trump Organization.
Well, his remit is to investigate "any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump", "any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation", and "any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R § 600.4(a)" - just the first of those alone would, I think, allow him to subpoena any documents the Trump Organisation may have concerning connections to Russia. After all, it doesn't say that the coordination had to be part of the campaign, just that it has to be between the Russian government and members of the Trump campaign - which includes Trump himself.
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Future historians and novelists will study these times and events with something approaching awe.

Shady businessman entangled in Trump-Russia investigation claims he doubled as American spy
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Future historians and novelists will study these times and events with something approaching awe.

Shady businessman entangled in Trump-Russia investigation claims he doubled as American spy


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Future historians and novelists will study these times and events with something approaching awe.

Shady businessman entangled in Trump-Russia investigation claims he doubled as American spy
I'd trust Felix Sater as far as I can throw him with uncorroborated statements.
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Thanks. When I first saw that tweet I couldn't find it being reported anywhere else. I agree with you that it seems to very much overstate the truth, as per that report.
A Wired article from last year has some details that tend to support some of the claims
https://www.wired.com/story/hackers-...power-systems/
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A thumbnail summary of why Trump is scared:
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It’s important to note that the president has deep ties to Russia that go way beyond his unfulfilled desire to build a Trump Tower in Moscow or the Miss Universe pageant he held there. When Trump is asked about whether he has such ties, he tends to say things such as, “For the record, I have ZERO investments in Russia.” This is a clever sleight of hand, because the question isn’t whether Trump has put money into Russia, but whether Russians have put money into Trump. And they almost certainly have.

You can’t succeed in the real estate business without access to capital. But after a series of business bankruptcies in the 1990s, Trump found it impossible to borrow money, because banks refused to lend to him (the one exception was Deutsche Bank). So he had to find new sources of cash, and he went abroad, especially to the former Soviet Union.

A few years ago, a golf journalist asked Trump how he was able to get the money to continue to build golf courses after the financial crisis, and he replied that he had access to $100 million. The journalist later asked Eric Trump what his father was talking about, and according to him, Eric Trump replied, “Well, we don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia.” (Eric Trump has denied saying this.)

Donald Trump Jr. admitted this, too. “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets,” he said in 2008, “say in Dubai, and certainly with our project in SoHo and anywhere in New York. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.”
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Trump believes that he and Putin are kindred spirits: that is why he ceaselessly flatters Putin, because that is what would work on Trump.
But he couldn't be more wrong: Putin respects power and control, being able to make people love and fear you. He probably has nothing but contempt for Trump's constant kowtowing.
If Putin considered Trump to be someone to deal with, he would have let him build something in Moscow long ago.
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Trump believes that he and Putin are kindred spirits: that is why he ceaselessly flatters Putin, because that is what would work on Trump.
But he couldn't be more wrong: Putin respects power and control, being able to make people love and fear you. He probably has nothing but contempt for Trump's constant kowtowing.
If Putin considered Trump to be someone to deal with, he would have let him build something in Moscow long ago.
Rather than kindred spirits I'd think it was more like Trump imagines himself to be in Putin's circle and on Putin's level.
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