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Old 15th February 2018, 09:45 AM   #1
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California sued for denying existence of Bigfoot

Bigfoot hunters sue state of California for denying existence of Sasquatch

Originally Posted by The Oregonian
Claudia Ackley and Todd Standing want to go to court on behalf of Bigfoot.

Ackley told the San Bernardino Sun this week that she and her two teenaged daughters came upon three of the legendarily hard-to-spot beasts during a hike near Lake Arrowhead, Calif., last March. She said the Sasquatches were “barrel-chested,” had larger-than-human heads and looked like they each weighed about 800 pounds. She said she got close to one of them.

“We were face to face,” she said. “He was 30 feet up in [a] tree.”

Ackley, a longtime Bigfoot enthusiast, says she couldn’t get forest rangers to take her sighting seriously. They insisted she and her daughters had seen bears.

So Ackley and Standing, a Canadian filmmaker who made a documentary called “Discovering Bigfoot,” did the American thing: they brought a lawsuit last month against the state of California.

“The lawsuit,” reported The Sun, “alleges the California Department of Fish and Wildlife and the state Natural Resources Agency have been derelict in their duty by not acknowledging the existence of the Sasquatch species, despite a mountain of documented and scientific evidence. It has had a chilling effect on the study of the Sasquatch, considered illegitimate and relegated to the category of ‘paranormal research.’”...

http://www.oregonlive.com/trending/2...tate_of_c.html


Originally Posted by San Bernardino Sun
Ackley’s biggest concern is that the government, by not acknowledging Bigfoot’s existence, could be endangering the public.

“People have to be warned about these things. They are big,” Ackley said. “We’re totally vulnerable to these things.”...

https://www.sbsun.com/2018/02/12/cre...ies-recognized
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Old 15th February 2018, 09:54 AM   #2
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Ackley, a Bigfoot enthusiast and researcher of more than 20 years, teamed up with documentary filmmaker Todd Standing, the man behind the Netflix film Discovering Bigfoot, and sued the state in San Bernardino Superior Court on Jan. 18.
Cynical publicity grab?

Is there any kind of penalty against starting frivolous lawsuits in California, and any chance that she'd have to suffer that penalty?
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Old 15th February 2018, 10:07 AM   #3
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Let her go through with this, please! Oh please.

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Old 15th February 2018, 10:23 AM   #4
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Let her go through with this, please! Oh please.

"Evidence, your Honour? Sorry, I don't understand".
'so, you don't even have one picture.......?'
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Originally Posted by Whip View Post
'so, you don't even have one picture.......?'
https://xkcd.com/1235/
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Old 15th February 2018, 10:48 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by Porpoise of Life View Post
Cynical publicity grab?

Is there any kind of penalty against starting frivolous lawsuits in California, and any chance that she'd have to suffer that penalty?
I believe California does has an anti-SLAPP law. Whether this would apply, I don't know.

Too bad this isn't in Pennsylvania, then they could get Judge John E. Jones on the case. (Dover School district intelligent design/Ken Ham nonsense).
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Does that include all children?
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“We were face to face,” she said. “He was 30 feet up in [a] tree.”
Unclear on the concept of face to face.
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Unclear on the concept of face to face.
she must be really, really tall.
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she must be really, really tall.
Maybe BF had ripped off her head and carried it up the tree.
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He's on the right scent. The sheer number of cameras out there not capturing Bigfoot is itself approaching proof there is no Bigfoot. The planet now having the means with which to take trillions of pictures by billions of people and yet still come up completely short in the hairy manimal department could surely be considered 'absence of evidence'. And it's a compelling absence. Which could then be reasonably considered to be viable evidence of its non-existence.

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Unclear on the concept of face to face.
I think they're unclear on a lot of concepts.
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Old 15th February 2018, 06:50 PM   #12
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I predict someone will ask why they didn't take any pictures.

And she'll say their camera phones were all out of order.

And then someone will find her public Facebook posts of pictures taken on that trip.

And then her story will magically change.
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Old 15th February 2018, 06:53 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by Porpoise of Life View Post
Cynical publicity grab?
Todd Standing will get publicity no matter what happens here. His best publicity might come if the suit is tossed out. "I fought the State and the State cheated."

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Is there any kind of penalty against starting frivolous lawsuits in California, and any chance that she'd have to suffer that penalty?
I don't think they will be penalized. It will probably be rejected as being without merit. We will find out next month when they have the first hearing. If it's a go then it will become very interesting because Standing has already said that Gimlin and Meldrum will be brought into court as witnesses.

Can you imagine the sight of Meldrum bringing 400 giant plaster casts into court?
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This lawsuit is brought to you by Todd Standing of the “Survivorman Bigfoot” and “Discovering Bigfoot” shows. Ackley is his client in the California case. He has a similar lawsuit in British Columbia. He says he has a lawyer in Canada and is looking for “some legal help…more legal help” in the U.S. (he says he has been calling lawyers in the U.S. for over a year and they will not assist him). He plans to files cases in more states. He is working on “Discovering Bigfoot Part 2” (Didn’t he discover Bigfoot the first couple of times around?)

His stated intent is to take fish and wildlife officers in California on an expedition to show them a Bigfoot. A months-long expedition. He says, “That’s what the court case is about.” That isn’t what the case is about. The isn’t how any of this works. He says he doesn’t know how the State of California could defend against the case. I’m sure the lawyers for the State of California have some ideas. That’s not a good position to be in.

This woudn’t be a SLAPP issue. I doubt the court will even consider it frivolous. There certainly could be a legitimate case of a rare species that needs protection that the State has, for some nefarious reason, refused to acknowledge. The court can’t take a prejudice position that Bigfoot doesn’t exist.

That doesn’t mean it will go to trial. The petition has all the hallmarks of a lawyer or someone with legal experience taking someone’s money to convert their rambling complaints into the form of a legal petition. It is not a cogent legal argument. It is a shotgun blast of statements and complaints ranging from habitant protection, to the way she was treated by a ranger, to the way Bigfoot believers are perceived by the public, to endangered species, to “conceivably” not being able to sell Bigfoot expeditions, to public safety. The causes of action cite one generic law and two statements from California websites. I can imagine why lawyers who want to avoid malpractice lawsuits might be wary of working with this client.

Some of the claims don’t even seem to make sense. Some could have issues with standing (pun intended). Others may have a problem with jurisdiction. I’m not sure the court can even grant the relief requested, which is basically is ordering California to “recognize Sasquatch…as an indigenous mammal living within the State of California.” I’m not sure that California is legally required to recognize a species other than game animals. Threatened and endangered species are another issue, but that requires a lengthy petition with substantial data and evidence. The lawsuit petition mentions no such petition being filed.
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Pathetic.
Just absolutely pathetic.
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Pathetic.
Just absolutely pathetic.
Maybe. But it's a golden opportunity to rip Meldrum and Standing to shreds, in public, and on oath.
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I believe California does has an anti-SLAPP law. Whether this would apply, I don't know.
AKAIK all the anti-SLAPP laws apply only apply when the defendant is part of the public (the first P in the acronym), governments are not covered.
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"We're totally vulnerable".

I'll say, Bigfeet are invulnerable, immortal, invisible and can teleport and erase your memories.
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Maybe. But it's a golden opportunity to rip Meldrum and Standing to shreds, in public, and on oath.
Our court system has better things to do than get bogged down with this type of nonsense.
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May they be flayed over the suit and the ignorance it shows!!!!!
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Does anyone else recall the poster who called himself 'Creekfreak'?

This fellow knew that Bigfoot was real and that he actually had physical evidence of Bigfoot and these two people doing the suing sound like much like 'Creekfreak'.
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Of course I remember Creek. One doesn't forget screwdrivers and canned beans easily.
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Especially if the canned beans were eaten some hours previous and just now caused an explosion around the campfire!!!!!
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I recall Creek insisting that a judge co-witnessed a young bigfoot opening their tent flap and staring at them from mere inches away, and the judge would confirm the sighting except Creek couldn't put anyone in touch with his honor because of reasons Creek couldn't reveal.
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Bigfoot's day in court - come on . . .
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Bigfoot's day in court - come on . . .
Better be careful because with the wrong verdict - Bigfoot will never be able to dance again because guilty feet have got no rhythm...

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I dreamed that the Judge was a Bigfooter...
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Bigfoot's day in court - come on . . .
Very much a case of habeas corpus?
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I recall Creek insisting that a judge co-witnessed a young bigfoot opening their tent flap and staring at them from mere inches away, and the judge would confirm the sighting except Creek couldn't put anyone in touch with his honor because of reasons Creek couldn't reveal.
His photo of a bigfoot next to the helicopter was great!
Ah, the days when hoaxers were entertaining.

For those who weren't around to experience Creekfreak, enjoy.
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May they be flayed over the suit and the ignorance it shows!!!!!
Now, with most posters I'd assume the word 'flayed' was used metaphorically...
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Now, with most posters I'd assume the word 'flayed' was used metaphorically...
Body of work. Think of it as "reaver justice" - - do anything offensive (*everything* is offensive), and suddenly it's

"If they take the ship, they’ll rape us to death, eat our flesh and sew our skins into their clothing. And if we’re very very lucky, they’ll do it in that order."
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I dreamed that the Judge was a Bigfooter...
I dreamt that David Attenborough needed back surgery.
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What I'm about to tell you is 100% truthful and accurate. Though it happened some time ago when I was in my very early 20s my memory of this event is clear to this day.

Through my teens and early 20s my friends and I enjoyed riding dirt bikes as often as we could. There was a well known ranch, just west of the city, that had acres and acres of tracks, jumps and trails. For a nominal fee you could ride and camp anywhere you wanted. After a hard day of riding it was common to drink a lot of beer then crash in the tent.

One night as the 5 of us lay in the tent nodding off one at a time there came a scream like no other I've ever heard from any human being. Imagine a 12 y/o girl horrified by something and unable to control herself. It came from the guy that had got the spot by the door/flap. He had laid down with his head at the door/flap and feet toward the back of the tent.

Completely freaked out and feeling trapped in the tent we all began yelling .. What!? What's the matter!? All while we scrambled for a source of light.

Then, someone found a light and shone it on the door/flap. And there is was, plain as day.

A cow! It was a working ranch as well and one of the cows had gotten past the fence and stuck it's head in the tent. The guy laying at the door,
after he calmed down and changed his pants, told us that he was almost asleep when he felt this strong, warm and smelly gust of air from just above his head. Oh the laughter and poking of fun went on for years


I stand by this story. You may not believe me but it happened and I was there to witness it.
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I believe it but you need to tweak one part...

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That requires one person to both stay awake the longest and also keep track of each one of the others observing that they all fell asleep in sequence and none were simultaneous.
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I believe it but you need to tweak one part...


That requires one person to both stay awake the longest and also keep track of each one of the others observing that they all fell asleep in sequence and none were simultaneous.
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Bigfoot hunters sue state of California for denying existence of Sasquatch




http://www.oregonlive.com/trending/2...tate_of_c.html





https://www.sbsun.com/2018/02/12/cre...ies-recognized
So why no photographs. Most hikers carry cameras.
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There are thousands of photos. Many if not most have red circles drawn around the Bigfoot because without that you would never know it's a picture of Bigfoot. Thousands.
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There are thousands of photos. Many if not most have red circles drawn around the Bigfoot because without that you would never know it's a picture of Bigfoot. Thousands.
It's amazing bigfoots can hide so well when all of them are surrounded by bright red circles and arrows.
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There are thousands of photos. Many if not most have red circles drawn around the Bigfoot because without that you would never know it's a picture of Bigfoot. Thousands.
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I believe California does has an anti-SLAPP law. Whether this would apply, I don't know.

Anti-SLAPP laws protect small defendants from wealthier parties using lawsuits to bully them. That wouldn't apply in this case.
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