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Old 5th March 2018, 01:30 PM   #361
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Originally Posted by qayak View Post
Exactly. The point is, science isn't embarrassed when a scientist goes with the data available to them until other data is available. But the SJWs hate anything that doesn't fit their narrative.
That analogy is just another embarrassing addition to the already existing pile. Flight is a physical phenomenon subject to repeatable, independent observation. Krauss's behavior fits neither of those characteristics, rendering the analogy pointless.

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Old 6th March 2018, 09:34 AM   #362
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We may safely assume at least one of the folks running PR for the Perimeter Institute reads Buzzfeed News.

Archived event page for Quantum Cosmos: https://webcache.googleusercontent.c...quantum-cosmos

Current event page:
https://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/videos/quantum-cosmos

The new page still says "9 physicists discuss what lies ahead in physics," leading to a certain amount of confusion among those who can count.
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Old 6th March 2018, 01:34 PM   #363
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
We may safely assume at least one of the folks running PR for the Perimeter Institute reads Buzzfeed News.

Archived event page for Quantum Cosmos: https://webcache.googleusercontent.c...quantum-cosmos

Current event page:
https://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/videos/quantum-cosmos

The new page still says "9 physicists discuss what lies ahead in physics," leading to a certain amount of confusion among those who can count.
They both list Krauss and I can't see a difference between the two links. Is my browser not showing them properly?

ETA: Nevermind, just noticed that Kraus's name was left of the edited version.

Besides, it looks like it is a recording of a talk from 2009. Do they have to remove all evidence of a prior relationship with him?
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Maybe I'm having a weird browser glitch on my end?

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Do they have to remove all evidence of a prior relationship with him?
I do think it's weird for the Perimeter Institute to retcon past events like this, but I'm going to take it as an institutional admission of sorts.
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Old 6th March 2018, 02:07 PM   #365
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Maybe I'm having a weird browser glitch on my end?



I do think it's weird for the Perimeter Institute to retcon past events like this, but I'm going to take it as an institutional admission of sorts.
Sorry about my user error induced edits.

Maybe they just don't want his name to be searchable on their website. More of an SEO issue than anything else. Not providing him any further endorsement, even though they have a video of speakers that includes him.
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[strike]Do they have to remove all evidence of a prior relationship with him?
Why not, NPR scrubbed 40+ years of Garrison Keiller from its archives over his touching a woman's bare back?
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That analogy is just another embarrassing addition to the already existing pile. Flight is a physical phenomenon subject to repeatable, independent observation. Krauss's behavior fits neither of those characteristics, rendering the analogy pointless.
Obviously you failed at comprehension. Krauss' behaviour is not comparable to flight in the analogy. Krauss' behaviour is comparable to the scientist using the wrong data to draw a conclusion. But thanks for trying.
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Why not, NPR scrubbed 40+ years of Garrison Keiller from its archives over his touching a woman's bare back?
You haven't kept up with that story, have you.
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You haven't kept up with that story, have you.
No. Have there been other allegations? The fact remains, NPR scrubbed him immediately after the first allegation. Any other allegation has no bearing on that.
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No. Have there been other allegations? The fact remains, NPR scrubbed him immediately after the first allegation. Any other allegation has no bearing on that.
MPR.

And have you considered the possibility that MPR was considering more allegations than those publicized at the time?

As I recall, from very early on the story was that MPR was considering a fairly large "body of work", but that they were not publicizing any details. Keillor himself volunteered a story about a fairly innocuous incident. And then MPR scrubbed him.
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Originally Posted by qayak View Post
Why not, NPR scrubbed 40+ years of Garrison Keiller from its archives over his touching a woman's bare back?
If they did they are fools. That he did a stupid thing may well be enough to take him off their stations, but it does no one any good if persons who study the histories of radio and related are denied the opportunity to research such things. Destroying historical items/records is flat evil and very stupid.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
MPR.

And have you considered the possibility that MPR was considering more allegations than those publicized at the time?

As I recall, from very early on the story was that MPR was considering a fairly large "body of work", but that they were not publicizing any details. Keillor himself volunteered a story about a fairly innocuous incident. And then MPR scrubbed him.
Are you perhaps speaking of NPR????
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Minnesota Public Radio, I believe it is.

Here is a link to their statement regarding the issue:

https://www.mpr.org/stories/2017/11/...rie-home-compa

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If they did they are fools. That he did a stupid thing may well be enough to take him off their stations, but it does no one any good if persons who study the histories of radio and related are denied the opportunity to research such things. Destroying historical items/records is flat evil and very stupid.
What are you talking about? Nobody said anything about destroying anything. Not even "if".
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Are you perhaps speaking of NPR????: confused :
Why would I be speaking of NPR? Would it be too much to ask that you familiarize yourself with the topic before barging in and acting confused?
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Turns out Krauss was Keillor all along.

And he'd've gotten away with it but for you meddling kids
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Obviously you failed at comprehension. Krauss' behaviour is not comparable to flight in the analogy. Krauss' behaviour is comparable to the scientist using the wrong data to draw a conclusion. But thanks for trying.
Selling out ones scientific credentials to assert that "As a scientist I always judge things on empirical evidence and he always has women ages 19 to 23 around him, but Iíve never seen anything else, so as a scientist, my presumption is that whatever the problems were I would believe him over other people."

As a scientist he uses "empirical evidence" to conclude that he "has women 19 to 23 around him" and as a "scientist" believe admitted felon Epstein over "other people."

That right there is not science, it is taking one's pants down and crapping all over science.

But thanks. Thanks for trying.
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Obviously you failed at comprehension. Krauss' behaviour is not comparable to flight in the analogy. Krauss' behaviour is comparable to the scientist using the wrong data to draw a conclusion. But thanks for trying.
It's kind of more like him not bothering to look at any data and just going with a dude going "I'm making it happen with my mind!!"


Which is quite funny
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What are you talking about? Nobody said anything about destroying anything. Not even "if".
Deleting the stored Keillor shows..........
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What are you talking about? Nobody said anything about destroying anything. Not even "if".
According to MPR they were completely removed. By them. Called to find out...
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That's what ignorant people do, they use a derogatory term like SJWs to avoid dealing with the real issue.
It's a label, not a dodge. It's like saying "Republicans". Does the label mean you're avoiding the issue?
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According to MPR they were completely removed. By them. Called to find out...
MPR doesn't own the shows. They license them from Keillor. If they're ending their business relationship with Keillor, they're probably not allowed to keep copies of his content. Taking their copies offline is not the same as destroying the shows.
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No.
Thought so. Your summary was inaccurate. I'd say the full facts aren't known, but it is clear that MPR conducted a thorough investigation before taking action.

It is also clear that Mr. Keillor's self serving claim that it was all over a hand placed innocently on a woman's back is clearly not true. But it seems to have had the desired effect, so kudos to him.
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No one has posted the Krauss response?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IgA...ryTNJbJ_5/view
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No one has posted the Krauss response?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IgA...ryTNJbJ_5/view
Is that official yet?
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Is that official yet?
He twitted it. Twatterd? I don't know how to embed tweets.

The followup tweets are interesting as well. With more Anon's saying they know someone.

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No one has posted the Krauss response?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IgA...ryTNJbJ_5/view
Very "he said, she said" on the Krauss/Hensley encounter. As a skeptic, I'm going to place faith in the person who became the public face of iPTSD, and who repeatedly conflated Storify (mostly collating tweets) with cyberharassment.
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Very "he said, she said" on the Krauss/Hensley encounter. As a skeptic, I'm going to place faith in the person who became the public face of iPTSD, and who repeatedly conflated Storify (mostly collating tweets) with cyberharassment.
not the one who said because he was a scientist who saw his good friends with 19 year olds and up that he was going to believe him and not the terms of the plea bargain his good friend signed?

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Very "he said, she said" on the Krauss/Hensley encounter. As a skeptic, I'm going to place faith in the person who became the public face of iPTSD, and who repeatedly conflated Storify (mostly collating tweets) with cyberharassment.
What would qualify as cyberharassment in your mind? (honest question.)
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What would qualify as cyberharassment in your mind? (honest question.)
Something other than documenting public pronouncements, e.g. repeated emails or other personal contacts which are known to be unwanted.
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Selling out ones scientific credentials to assert that "As a scientist I always judge things on empirical evidence and he always has women ages 19 to 23 around him, but Iíve never seen anything else, so as a scientist, my presumption is that whatever the problems were I would believe him over other people."

As a scientist he uses "empirical evidence" to conclude that he "has women 19 to 23 around him" and as a "scientist" believe admitted felon Epstein over "other people."

That right there is not science, it is taking one's pants down and crapping all over science.

But thanks. Thanks for trying.
Oh Jesus! I think science will be just fine notwithstanding your pearl clutching.
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It's a label, not a dodge. It's like saying "Republicans". Does the label mean you're avoiding the issue?
Expect "Republican" is actually a political party and not a pejorative.
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Something other than documenting public pronouncements, e.g. repeated emails or other personal contacts which are known to be unwanted.
So, no such thing as public cyberharassment?
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No one has posted the Krauss response?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IgA...ryTNJbJ_5/view
Interesting read
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https://www.dailydot.com/irl/elevato...st-harassment/

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I’ve had to live every day knowing that there are people out there who are absolutely obsessed with me, who hate me so much that they spend hours each day blogging, tweeting, creating new social media accounts, Photoshopping my pictures, drawing pornographic images of me, making albums about how I should be murdered, and trying to get me fired from the podcast I do for free. When I’m able to find out their identities (sometimes they don’t even hide them), I often find they have a history of domestic violence, stalking, or in the most recent case, “indecent liberties with a minor.”
Honestly, that would mess me up, bad.

I was a teen when the internet was new to the masses, and my generation was always told "Never, ever put ANY personal details about yourself online", and I've always had that in the back of my mind. The fear at the time was of serial killers finding people, but being internet stalked for the purposes of public humiliation has proven to be the most valid reason for staying as private as possible, it seems.
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So, no such thing as public cyberharassment?
Reading public tweets is not harassment.

Reading public tweets and showing them to others in order . . . also not harassment.
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Reading public tweets is not harassment.

Reading public tweets and showing them to others in order . . . also not harassment.
I'm looking through this, and it's ugly stuff. He does appear to be darkly obsessed with feminist skeptics and rape victims, out to "expose" (humiliate) them.
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Old 7th March 2018, 09:27 PM   #398
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Oh yeah it's just hideous. He looked at public tweets and then *gasp* encouraged others to do so. What cybernetic nightmares stalketh in the corners of the world wide web.
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Oh yeah it's just hideous. He looked at public tweets and then *gasp* encouraged others to do so. What cybernetic nightmares stalketh in the corners of the world wide web.
When it turns into hundreds of people talking about it, egging each other on with increasingly violent and mysogynistic language to the point of some making death and rape threats...how would *you* deal with that? Just...get a life and get off the internet?
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When it turns into hundreds of people talking about it, egging each other on with increasingly violent and mysogynistic language to the point of some making death and rape threats...how would *you* deal with that? Just...get a life and get off the internet?
Where is this?
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