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Old 2nd March 2018, 04:27 PM   #281
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This thread seems kind of slow today. What it needs is a trip down memory lane

You thought it was all over and done with.

CN Salon/Marcotte
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Old 2nd March 2018, 04:36 PM   #282
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Originally Posted by Stout View Post
This thread seems kind of slow today. What it needs is a trip down memory lane
https://www.salon.com/2018/03/02/for...ttle-too-late/

God this is wonderfully rich.

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In mid-February, #MeToo came to the community of activist atheists and science promoters, known as skeptics, a vibrant if somewhat insular subculture of the non-faithful.
Duuuuude, skeptics have been me-tooing since the accusations against Ben Radford and Michael Shermer.

Not to mention the demonstrably false accusations against Steve "Monopod Man" Packhard.
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Old 2nd March 2018, 04:43 PM   #283
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From the photo in that article: Deadpool?
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
https://www.salon.com/2018/03/02/for...ttle-too-late/

God this is wonderfully rich.

Duuuuude, skeptics have been me-tooing since the accusations against Ben Radford and Michael Shermer.

Not to mention the demonstrably false accusations against Steve "Monopod Man" Packhard.
Not sure what that has to do with *********** nightmare Laurence Krauss.

He knowingly defends the worst people on earth. Which begs the question about what people who defend people who defend the worst *********** people on earth.

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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Not sure what that has to do with *********** nightmare Laurence Krauss.



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He's mentioned in the first paragraph and that's his mug in the banner atop the page. Is that enough ?
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Originally Posted by Stout View Post
He's mentioned in the first paragraph and that's his mug in the banner atop the page. Is that enough ?
Oh, sorry. I was in fact referring to the undisputed fact that absolute nightmare felon scumbag defender Krauss defended undisputed scum bag Epstein, not once but multiple times, which had nothing to do at all with scumbag apologist’s post.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Not sure what that has to do with *********** nightmare Laurence Krauss.

He knowingly defends the worst people on earth. Which begs the question about what people who defend people who defend the worst *********** people on earth.

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Yeah, it tells us nothing. However, your post tells me you don't know what "begging the question" means.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Oh, sorry. I was in fact referring to the undisputed fact that absolute nightmare felon scumbag defender Krauss defended undisputed scum bag Epstein, not once but multiple times, which had nothing to do at all with scumbag apologist’s post.
OK I gotcha now.

I was actually thinking of taking a run at Krauss's statement re Epstein and try t paint it as more of a CYA statement "just in case" Krauss himself gets dragged into the underage thing. I can't do it, the only thing I can attribute the entire statement to is pure arrogance on Krauss's part.

A smart guy saying stupid things.
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Originally Posted by Stout View Post
A smart guy saying stupid things.
I have a smart friend who goes to a holistic healer. I have had a long discussion with him about how foolish this looks. His response was that we all have blind spots in our lives, things we don't see the same way others see them, things we don't apply our typical logic to. If this is his worst blind spot, he figures he must be doing OK.

I sadly had to tell him that his vegetarian chili was his worst blind spot. Just awful. Way worse than homeopathic allergy drops.

But back on topic, if you find yourself defending child molesters you may want to reexamine your blind spots, adjust the mirrors a bit. That is some serious lack of situational awareness.
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
https://www.salon.com/2018/03/02/for...ttle-too-late/

God this is wonderfully rich.



Duuuuude, skeptics have been me-tooing since the accusations against Ben Radford and Michael Shermer.

Not to mention the demonstrably false accusations against Steve "Monopod Man" Packhard.
Did you only read the first couple of paragraphs? It goes back to 2011 (and before).
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Originally Posted by kellyb View Post
Did you only read the first couple of paragraphs? It goes back to 2011 (and before).
Does the article explain how #metoo is substantively different than the prior waves of accusations against prominent skeptics?
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Does the article explain how #metoo is substantively different than the prior waves of accusations against prominent skeptics?
Yeah, Krauss got banned by two organizations, actual skeptics have called him out, and he has humiliated himself by defending using science to defend an admitted human sex trafficker.

34 confirmed minors,

Say, d4m10n, please fill us in about how you feel about Krauss using “science” to excuse an admitted felon pimp scum bag?
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Old 2nd March 2018, 07:16 PM   #294
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Yeah, Krauss got banned by two organizations, actual skeptics have called him out, and he has humiliated himself by defending using science to defend an admitted human sex trafficker.
I suppose that last point is indeed unique.

Not exactly a #metoo thing, though.

Come to think of it, didn't *all* of those events predate the #metoo movement?
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post

Come to think of it, didn't *all* of those events predate the #metoo movement?
They sure did, it looks like Marcotte is just slapping on the label and recycling some old dirty laundry to get herself a paycheck.
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
I suppose that last point is indeed unique.

Not exactly a #metoo thing, though.

Come to think of it, didn't *all* of those events predate the #metoo movement?
I cannot imagine a more irrelevant response
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It's completely unclear to me how #metoo denotes something remotely new here. Atheists and skeptics have been told to listen and believe accusations for many years now.




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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
It's completely unclear to me how #metoo denotes something remotely new here. Atheists and skeptics have been told to listen and believe accusations for many years now.

Case western and the Canadian organization acted long before the pimp apologist was confronted by #metoo.

Plus I know that #metoo did not compel him to say that science and empirical evidence convinced him that Epstein’s “interesting” friends were 19 years old.

34 confirmed minors
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Why then does the author bring up #metoo as if it is a newly relevant phenomenon to skeptics? Nothing new under the sun as far as I can see.

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Say, d4m10n, please fill us in about how you feel about Krauss using “science” to excuse an admitted felon pimp scum bag?
See this post: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...&postcount=121
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Why then does the author bring up #metoo as if it is a newly relevant phenomenon to skeptics? Nothing new under the sun as far as I can see.



See this post: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...&postcount=121
Actually we are at the point where we are exploring two things:

1. Krauss is a despicable idiot for standing up for Epstein.
2. Krauss’s comment that he is scientist and used empirical evidence to conclude that Epstein was only banging 19 years olds set back science more than any thing the #metoo movement could do.

34 confirmed minors
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Why then does the author bring up #metoo as if it is a newly relevant phenomenon to skeptics? Nothing new under the sun as far as I can see.

See this post: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...&postcount=121
Why do any of these columnists talk about the atheist or skeptical community as if we are a monolithic group?

Because they are either naive about the concepts of atheism and skepticism, they are biased like many god believers are, full of assumptions about atheism, or they just want the story to be more dramatic.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Why do any of these columnists talk about the atheist or skeptical community as if we are a monolithic group?

Because they are either naive about the concepts of atheism and skepticism, they are biased like many god believers are, full of assumptions about atheism, or they just want the story to be more dramatic.
No one is, don’t be naive
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Actually we are at the point where we are exploring two things:

1. Krauss is a despicable idiot for standing up for Epstein.

2. Krauss’s comment that he is scientist and used empirical evidence to conclude that Epstein was only banging 19 years olds set back science more than any thing the #metoo movement could do.
You are free to explore those two things all you like. I'm more interested in the aforementioned ten accusations against Krauss himself, regarding his treatment of the women around him.
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You are free to explore those two things all you like. I'm more interested in the aforementioned ten accusations against Krauss himself, regarding his treatment of the women around him.
Oh, 34 confirmed minors and taking a huge crap on”science” is not a concern?

Cool
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Oh, 34 confirmed minors and taking a huge crap on”science” is not a concern?

Cool
Happy to address the 34 minors in the Epstein thread.
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Happy to address the 34 minors in the Epstein thread.
In this thread we are discussing Krauss’s disgraceful defense of Epstein.

So feel free to tuck in.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
In this thread we are discussing Krauss’s disgraceful defense of Epstein.

So feel free to tuck in.
If I thought it had any bearing on whether Krauss is guilty of sexual misconduct, I might well do so. As it is, he is guilty of indulging a fairly common cognitive bias.
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If I thought it had any bearing on whether Krauss is guilty of sexual misconduct, I might well do so. As it is, he is guilty of indulging a fairly common cognitive bias.
Well someone is.

34 confirmed minors.

Tell us more about how Krauss is a victim of being a skeptic.

Did you read where he said that as a scientist he used empirical evidence to conclude that the “interesting” people that his pal ********** were of age?

As a skeptic, regale us with tales of how that works, will you?
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I don't really care. He should be confronted and punished, fired etc....but who is doing that to my childhood bullies? Who is doing that to the bullies of my cousins who tormented them years ago!! When will justice prevail there!!!!

Some of the accusations border on harassment more than sexual assault.
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Different question. They are not morally equivalent. They are conceptually equivalent.
Except that cars aren't even remotely conceptually equivalent to child sex slaves.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Why do any of these columnists talk about the atheist or skeptical community as if we are a monolithic group?

Because they are either naive about the concepts of atheism and skepticism, they are biased like many god believers are, full of assumptions about atheism, or they just want the story to be more dramatic.
I don't think the writer was talking about skeptics as a monolithic group. She was just, as a skeptic herself, giving her take on this decade's history of fractures in "the community" over sexual harassment and assault and how skepticism is dominated by dudes.

It's not something non-skeptics might have found interesting before the metoo thing happened. Well, I'm not sure they do now, either, but she apparently thought it was worth throwing out there.
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Lawrence Krauss accused of sexual misconduct

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34 confirmed minors.




You keep saying that as if we are expected to know that Krauss knew about it. Maybe he did, maybe he didn’t. Maybe Bill Clinton knew, too. Who knows?
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Except that cars aren't even remotely conceptually equivalent to child sex slaves.
Take it up with the person who made the crap analogy. My analogy was to compare the Epstein statement to that of others who fell victim to a known, and reliable, associate becoming unreliable over time. I never mentioned a car.
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You keep saying that as if we are expected to know that Krauss knew about it. Maybe he did, maybe he didn’t. Maybe Bill Clinton knew, too. Who knows?
The emails also state that none of the claims of the victims could be verified outside of Jane Does #1 and #2. So 34 women were identified as being under 18 at some point but not that anything illegal took place.
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You keep saying that as if we are expected to know that Krauss knew about it. Maybe he did, maybe he didn’t. Maybe Bill Clinton knew, too. Who knows?
He knew before he said that he believed Epstein because Epstein hung around “interesting” people.

I just want to make sure everyone else knows.
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The emails also state that none of the claims of the victims could be verified outside of Jane Does #1 and #2. So 34 women were identified as being under 18 at some point but not that anything illegal took place.


Just two verified underage sex slaves then?

Ok
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He knew before he said that he believed Epstein because Epstein hung around “interesting” people.
How do you know what Krauss knew and when he knew it?
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Old 3rd March 2018, 09:11 AM   #318
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How do you know what Krauss knew and when he knew it?
Because the emails were released in 2015.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Because the emails were released in 2015.
Four years after this article?

http://skepchick.org/2011/04/lawrenc...ts-everywhere/
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Oh golly, Krauss and his apologists were making excuses LONG after:

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More than 30 underage victims were listed in the plea agreement, and if it is dismissed, Epstein will face more federal charges. These charges may be backed up by even more evidence discovered since his plea agreement, like a diary he kept that, according to victims’ attorneys, contained the names and details of many of the underage girls he paid for sex.
Did you read the part where he said Epstein was a VICTIM?

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I honestly don’t know who was the victim in this case. probably everyone was a victim, with no happy resolution or consequences of these activities.
Poor Epstein.

Man what a pack of *********** scumbags
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