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Old 8th March 2018, 08:33 AM   #1
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Stormy Daniels Sues the President

I believe this Stormy Daniels topic is specific enough to merit its own thread.

I doubt the mods want to dig through and move posts over, but perhaps we can consolidate future posts on that topic here.

In summary of current events:

Trumps lawyer, Cohen, claimed to have paid Stormy Daniels 130k of his own money for her to sign a NDA regarding any intamte details about her and Donald Trump.

Daniels and her attorney are now claiming the NDA is invalid.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...use-he-n854246
Adult film star Stormy Daniels sued President Donald Trump on Tuesday, alleging that he never signed a nondisclosure agreement that his lawyer had arranged with her.

The civil suit, filed in Los Angeles Superior Court and obtained by NBC News, alleges that her agreement not to disclose her "intimate" relationship with Trump is invalid because while both Daniels and Trump's attorney Michael Cohen signed it, Trump never did.

Stephanie Clifford, known professionally as Stormy Daniels, signed both the agreement and a side letter agreement using her professional name on Oct. 28, 2016, just days before the 2016 presidential election. Cohen signed the document the same day. Both agreements are appended to the lawsuit as Exhibit 1 and Exhibit 2.


Link to complaint

Shortly after, Trumps Lawyer Obtained aRestraining Order against Daniels:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/07/u...els-trump.html
President Trump’s lawyer secretly obtained a temporary restraining order last week to prevent a pornographic film star from speaking out about her alleged affair with Mr. Trump, according to legal documents and interviews.
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The details of the order emerged on Wednesday after the White House’s spokeswoman, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, said that Mr. Trump’s lawyer had won an arbitration proceeding against Ms. Clifford, who goes by the name of Stormy Daniels.


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https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-l...els-1520471627

A lawyer for President Donald Trump last week obtained an emergency order from an arbitrator that temporarily restrained former adult-film actress Stephanie Clifford from discussing her allegations of an affair with Mr. Trump, according to a copy of the order reviewed by The Wall Street Journal.
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Ms. Clifford’s attorney, Michael Avenatti, said Wednesday that the arbitration order has no force because the underlying nondisclosure agreement is void. He also said Ms. Clifford hadn’t been served with any notice of the proceeding or been given an opportunity to respond.
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The nondisclosure agreement used pseudonyms for the parties, according to Ms. Clifford’s lawsuit: “David Dennison” or “DD” for Mr. Trump; “EC LLC” for Essential Consultants LLC, the entity Mr. Cohen used to pay Ms. Clifford; and “Peggy Peterson” or “PP” for Ms. Clifford.

The Feb. 27 order by arbitrator Jacqueline O’Connor listed the parties as EC, LLC and Peggy Peterson, but didn’t mention David Dennison or Mr. Trump.
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Old 8th March 2018, 08:44 AM   #3
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The restraining order is curious, since it has obvious flaws: from what we know of the settlement, Cohen has no standing in the Arbitration Court to ask for a restraining order - only D.D. has that authority - whoever he might be.
Cohen obviously shopped for an arbitration company that owed him and which handed out the restraining order in an hour without going even through the most basic motions like asking Daniels' lawyer for his input.

This story is going to be big if the media does its homework.
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I wonder if that former Playboy Bunny that Trump was having sex will sue Trump as well.
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Originally Posted by Crossbow View Post
I wonder if that former Playboy Bunny that Trump was having sex will sue Trump as well.
I suppose it will depend on

1) whether whatever disclosure agreements that might have existed were completed properly (as pointed out earlier and in other threads, there were some... oddities with the Stormy Daniels agreement that forms the basis of the lawsuit. (Namely it was never properly signed and payment came from the lawyer)

2) how she feels about Trump

3) if she thinks she can get money by telling her story
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Old 8th March 2018, 08:57 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
The restraining order is curious, since it has obvious flaws: from what we know of the settlement, Cohen has no standing in the Arbitration Court to ask for a restraining order - only D.D. has that authority - whoever he might be.
Why does Cohen have no authorization ? He actually signed the NDA, and admitted to paying the 130k - DD didn't.

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Cohen obviously shopped for an arbitration company that owed him and which handed out the restraining order in an hour without going even through the most basic motions like asking Daniels' lawyer for his input.
A little bit more news regarding the restraining order:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/live-wh...8-live-stream/
Cohen's lawyer Lawrence S. Rosen said Wednesday in a statement to CBS News that "The Settlement Agreement contained an arbitration clause that permitted EC, LLC. to seek an injunction in the event of a breach or threatened breach of the agreement."

"The designated judge from the arbitration tribunal found that Ms. Clifford had violated the agreement and enjoined her from, among other things, filing this lawsuit," Rosen said. "We intend to pursue our recourse in the context of the arbitration as agreed to by the parties and continue to categorically refute the claims alleged by Ms. Clifford and her counsel."


IDK what the terms of arbitration are - are they actually required to notice the opposing attorney prior to taking action ?

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This story is going to be big if the media does its homework.
We shall see. I think it will be.
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Old 8th March 2018, 08:59 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
I suppose it will depend on

1) whether whatever disclosure agreements that might have existed were completed properly (as pointed out earlier and in other threads, there were some... oddities with the Stormy Daniels agreement that forms the basis of the lawsuit. (Namely it was never properly signed and payment came from the lawyer)
Strictly speaking that wasn't an NDA, that as an exclusive scoop to the National Enquirer for the story an a regular column. They killed the story and never printed the column but it seems to have had a time frame on it. Not the same thing as the Stormy Daniels NDA. There is far less evidence that Trump had anything to do with the playboy bunny silencing.
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Surely arbitration, by definition, means they have to consider both sides?
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Yes, It'c completely impossible to discuss multiple topics.
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Yes, It'c completely impossible to discuss multiple topics.
But isn't it also too soon to even talk about the activism of those kids, because after a shooting is not the time to advocate for gun control anyway so they shouldn't even be allowed on the air to start with, and look at how coached they are.

To really get the republican mindset you need lots of contradictory talking points.
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If you check out the analysis by Andrew Torrez at the Opening Arguments Podcast, you will see that Cohen is standing in for the LLC that transfered the money, but the deal is between PP and DD, not PP and the LLC or Cohen.
Neither Cohen nor the LLC can sue Daniels, only DD can.
As a side note: if the purpose of the LLC (which was created on the same day as the money transfer) was created for sending hush money to Daniels, that makes it an Illegal Enterprise since Adultery is illegal in New York: Cohen might very well lose his lisence over this.
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We should keep abreast of this story.
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We should keep abreast of this story.
Eh. I think it sucks.
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That cartoon portrays a CNN celebrity suggesting that its the "left wing anti-Trump fake news" that is distracted from the shooting victims. So, I got curious and looked at the FoxNews web site (one of the most pro-trump sources out there). Result? On the main page, not one article on the school shooting or its victims. What's the big story? Some analysis of Kim Jong Un's medial problems. Also, articles on: A swimsuit model and an article attacking the Times.

If you are trying to blame the media for being distracted from the school shootings, the cartoonist should have drawn a Fox journalist likewise being distracted.
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If you check out the analysis by Andrew Torrez at the Opening Arguments Podcast, you will see that Cohen is standing in for the LLC that transfered the money, but the deal is between PP and DD, not PP and the LLC or Cohen.
Neither Cohen nor the LLC can sue Daniels, only DD can.
As a side note: if the purpose of the LLC (which was created on the same day as the money transfer) was created for sending hush money to Daniels, that makes it an Illegal Enterprise since Adultery is illegal in New York: Cohen might very well lose his lisence over this.
Hmm is it an illegal enterprise over an unconstitutional law.
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I wonder if that former Playboy Bunny that Trump was having sex will sue Trump as well.
Anyone who had sex with him should.
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If you are trying to blame the media for being distracted from the school shootings, the cartoonist should have drawn a Fox journalist likewise being distracted.
Why not just blame Stormy herself?

If I start talking to the press right now about an invalid NDA, they are going to feature me instead of Florida. I need to wait until everyone is done talking about Florida before I begin to speak.
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Ken "Popehat" White apparently doesn't think it matters that David Dennison didn't sign the contract. But he's not happy about the arbitration thing.
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
FWIW, at this precise moment in time, the US CNN website has:

5 articles about Stormy Daniels:

Trump upset with Sanders over Stormy Daniels response
A White House taken by storm(y)
Cooper: White House not telling the truth
Stormy Daniels deserves fairer treatment
Van Jones comes to Sarah Sanders' defense

6 articles about Parkland:

Trump's meeting on video game violence could prove contentious
The long history of blaming video games for mass violence
If a possible mass shooter wants to hone his craft, don't hand him a virtual boot camp
Here's what's in the Florida gun bill
Father of Parkland victim rips new NRA ad
Dwyane Wade surprises Parkland students

Not that facts really matter, I know, but that's what's actually true at this moment in time.
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Anyone who had sex with him should.
That is a good point.

After all, the first Mrs. Trump and the second Mrs. Trump got millions from suing Mr. Trump after they left him.

Therefore, if past history is any guide, all of the former Trump sex partners should sue Mr. Trump if they want to make serious money fast and easy.
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Also, FWIW, Seth Abramson's take on the "non-standard" contract between Daniels and Trump, and how it could be harmful for Trump
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EDIT: Here's a link to the Opening Arguments podcast, mentioned above. OA 154: Stormy Daniels Is A Legal Genius

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On top of which, in the unlikely event that Trump were to sue her, she could erase the national debt with kickstarter contributions for her defense.
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On top of which, in the unlikely event that Trump were to sue her, she could erase the national debt with kickstarter contributions for her defense.


If Stormy needed a donation, Iíd give her one.

Iíll get my coat.
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That is a good point.

After all, the first Mrs. Trump and the second Mrs. Trump got millions from suing Mr. Trump after they left him.

Therefore, if past history is any guide, all of the former Trump sex partners should sue Mr. Trump if they want to make serious money fast and easy.
A parade of women saying 'he was no Don Juan', as Daniels did, would be such a crushing blow to his ego that a lucrative payday is virtually certain.
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Why not just blame Stormy herself?

If I start talking to the press right now about an invalid NDA, they are going to feature me instead of Florida. I need to wait until everyone is done talking about Florida before I begin to speak.

WTF, Parcher?! You had sex with Trump too?!
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WTF, Parcher?! You had sex with Trump too?!
Hasn't the President really bent us all over?
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If Stormy needed a donation, Iíd give her one.

Iíll get my coat.
I donít think your coat will fit her.
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The restraining order is curious, since it has obvious flaws: from what we know of the settlement, Cohen has no standing in the Arbitration Court to ask for a restraining order - only D.D. has that authority - whoever he might be.
Cohen obviously shopped for an arbitration company that owed him and which handed out the restraining order in an hour without going even through the most basic motions like asking Daniels' lawyer for his input.

This story is going to be big if the media does its homework.
President Dennisonís dirtbag lawyer obtained a ďrestraining orderĒ from a private company, written by a retired judge. It has much legal standing as a restraining order written in crayon by my six-year-old forbidding us from serving her broccoli at dinner.
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If Stormy needed a donation, Iíd give her one.

Iíll get my coat.
"Trench" style, I assume.
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WTF, Parcher?! You had sex with Trump too?!
I didn't know it was him. I thought I was hitting on a French Maid. Everything looked right from my perspective. Then suddenly it was him and then there was money and a NDA. I guess I was foolish but I'm not totally batty because I will wait until we are all done talking about Florida before I speak with Oprah.
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Yes, It'c completely impossible to discuss multiple topics.
Sometimes it seems to be so, for CNN.
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You have the goods on a billionaire candidate for President, and you settle for a lousy $130K that probably didn't even pay the lawyer?
Something seems wrong with the amount of money here...
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The Stormy Daniels situation may be causing additional friction in the Trump administration:

From: https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/08/polit...els/index.html
President Donald Trump is upset with White House press secretary Sarah Sanders over her responses Wednesday regarding his alleged affair with porn star Stormy Daniels, a source close to the White House tells CNN...On Wednesday, Sanders told reporters that the arbitration was won "in the President's favor." The statement is an admission that the nondisclosure agreement exists, and that it directly involves the President.

This reminds me of the Hope Hicks situation: Trump Loyalist, does something that annoys Cheeto Mussolini, and gets criticized for it. In Hick's case, it may have had a part in making her leave the white house.
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You have the goods on a billionaire candidate for President, and you settle for a lousy $130K that probably didn't even pay the lawyer?
Something seems wrong with the amount of money here...
Maybe she knows that Trump isn't really a billionaire, that his "wealth" is largely idle boasting and his bad business dealings and habit of borrowing money has actually left him, if not poor, certainly not as wealthy as you might think.

Maybe that was part of the non-disclosure agreement... "Don't tell anyone I'm poor".
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Old 8th March 2018, 11:08 AM   #38
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Originally Posted by LTC8K6 View Post
You have the goods on a billionaire candidate for President, and you settle for a lousy $130K that probably didn't even pay the lawyer?
Something seems wrong with the amount of money here...
Before reading your post, I was about to wonder at the figure itself. Why the odd 130? Why not 125, or even 150?

Perhaps it was 10k for each time “Mr. Dennison” had to beg before she gave in.
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And can someone educate about Trump’s using an alias? How is that a legal and binding thing?
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Originally Posted by LTC8K6 View Post
You have the goods on a billionaire candidate for President, and you settle for a lousy $130K that probably didn't even pay the lawyer?
Something seems wrong with the amount of money here...
Represents legal fees only, perhaps with a threat of making her life a living legal and PR hell if she didn't (ahem) keep her mouth shut? He's not above bulling via litigation, by his own admittance
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