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Old 12th March 2018, 06:21 AM   #321
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
So Trump is now saying he is DD and knew about the payments and other criminal acts the whole time? That is the only way they can get the settlement held up, that Trump is DD and took part in it. So Trump needs to say he committed campaign finance felonies to get it upheld.
...and that would probably create a job opportunity for a divorce lawyer...
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Old 12th March 2018, 06:25 AM   #322
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
...and that would probably create a job opportunity for a divorce lawyer...
Maybe, but think of it this way, if he goes to prison for the criminal conspiracy to keep his sex pictures with his porn star mistress out of the public, that gets him out of her hair for a long time. Might make it better to stay the course and bet on the will being better for her than the prenup.

Though if Cohen is any representative of how competent Trumps lawyers are challenging the Prenup might go well for her.
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Old 12th March 2018, 06:25 AM   #323
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Originally Posted by pgwenthold View Post
I was thinking today, remember on the West Wing when Sam Seder was in hot water because he slept with a hooker? This was a guy who was a deputy communications director (aka a speech writer) who was causing trouble for the administration because he slept with a woman who worked as a prostitute (he didn't pay her, but others did).

That was a different time.....now the President can have slept with a porn star and the only issue is whether the hush money that was paid was technically a campaign contribution.
Wrong. That was a different universe: Aaron Sorkin's fantasy of the the ideal progressive presidency.

You might as well comment on how much the FBI's paranormal investigations have changed, since the X-Files times.
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Old 12th March 2018, 06:30 AM   #324
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Originally Posted by a_unique_person View Post
I know it's a Trump thread but it is getting ridiculous even for one where a porn star is suing a sitting president.
Well. it is well observed that Trumpf is a fool and a tool and worth no more than the fools and tools that voted him into office.
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Old 12th March 2018, 06:33 AM   #325
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Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
Did the CNN reporter just say that "When asked questions about the situation, she did not offer a full-throated response"?

Yes. Yes he did.
Mayhaps she was trying to talk with her mouth full.
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Old 12th March 2018, 06:35 AM   #326
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Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
That sounds like a very big stretch.

I note that today Stormy Daniels is telling the world how this has been the biggest boon to her success and notoriety as a porn star. It's working out well for her.

Someone above said something about this being the thing that does Trump in and impeachment and all that. Oh the Dems will impeach him, but he isn't going anywhere.
We need the republickers to do that well and thoroughly. And hopefully he will drop off into Hell!!!
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Old 12th March 2018, 06:40 AM   #327
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Originally Posted by fuelair View Post
We need the republickers to do that well and thoroughly. And hopefully he will drop off into Hell!!!
Felonies to keep your sidepiece hidden is not a major concern for republicans, just ask Hastert.
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Old 12th March 2018, 06:45 AM   #328
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Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
I'd guess most of those creative terms originated in letters to Penthouse magazine.
Penthouse letters were mostly fake (as were those of similar sources). A seventies book on writing porn/erotica books included a section on writing porn letters for men's mags (iirc the best paid 75.00 for letters). Included prices for formats (letter, article, fiction short stories and other) and who to contact. Some were random sex, others were specialized re: sex act written about.
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Old 12th March 2018, 06:48 AM   #329
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Trump could be found standing over the corpse of someone he vowed to kill the day before, holding a bloody knife in one hand, the victim's heart in the other, photographed in the process of taking a bite out of said heart, with a letter nearby written in the victim's blood (and covered with Trump's bloody fingerprints) that said, in Trump's handwriting, "I told him I'd kill him and eat his heart!", and he'd still claim innocence.
As would the suckers that voted him in. Religious, my butt!!!!!
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Old 12th March 2018, 07:04 AM   #330
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Originally Posted by LTC8K6 View Post
You have the goods on a billionaire candidate for President, and you settle for a lousy $130K that probably didn't even pay the lawyer?
Something seems wrong with the amount of money here...
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Before reading your post, I was about to wonder at the figure itself. Why the odd 130? Why not 125, or even 150?

Perhaps it was 10k for each time ďMr. DennisonĒ had to beg before she gave in.
My guess is that $130K was a negotiated amount after multiple offers and counter offers. As we know, Trump loves the art of the deal, even if he didn't actually write the book.
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So Trump is now saying he is DD and knew about the payments and other criminal acts the whole time?
rule of so.

good example.
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Old 12th March 2018, 07:43 AM   #332
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rule of so.

good example.
Rule of a case where there are only two possible stances for Trump to take. Well maybe 3.

Either he is DD or not. Either he knew about this or not. That this was a criminal conspiracy by his personal lawyer is now a matter of public record. The whole case is to get him to formally say he is DD and as such is a party to this contract or he knew nothing about it then she is free to release the texts and what ever photos and other documents she has without any repercussions.

It is nonsensical to claim that the contract is valid but he is not DD.
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Old 12th March 2018, 07:51 AM   #333
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Wrong. That was a different universe: Aaron Sorkin's fantasy of the the ideal progressive presidency.

You might as well comment on how much the FBI's paranormal investigations have changed, since the X-Files times.
Fiction can often reflect, at least broadly, the values of the time. Regardless of any particular television show, the sorts of scandal that people would find acceptable if publicly known have shifted over time.
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Old 12th March 2018, 08:08 AM   #334
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
That this was a criminal conspiracy by his personal lawyer is now a matter of public record.
Totally not true. I get that there are lots of internet lawyers out there who are telling you what you want to hear, but there is no factual basis for your assertion in the slightest.

The contention that everything related to a Presidential Candidate relates to the Presidential Campaign is fallacious wishful thinking.
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Totally not true. I get that there are lots of internet lawyers out there who are telling you what you want to hear, but there is no factual basis for your assertion in the slightest.

The contention that everything related to a Presidential Candidate relates to the Presidential Campaign is fallacious wishful thinking.
No the 130k counts as an illegal campaign contribution because it got something of value, namely securing the documents she has from coming out right before the election. The agreement and that they paid 130K for this make it clear it is of value, and as such by federal and state election laws it needs to be disclosed. Cohen is going down for that, it is just a question of what did Trump know and when did he know it. He either knew nothing of the whole agreement in which case it is void, or he did and so was a party to avoiding those election laws.

The whole thing might or might not also be related to obstruction of justice as it relates to the Russia investigation as it ties into how much blackmail material there might be out there for him.
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No the 130k counts as an illegal campaign contribution because it got something of value, namely securing the documents she has from coming out right before the election. The agreement and that they paid 130K for this make it clear it is of value, and as such by federal and state election laws it needs to be disclosed. Cohen is going down for that, it is just a question of what did Trump know and when did he know it. He either knew nothing of the whole agreement in which case it is void, or he did and so was a party to avoiding those election laws.

The whole thing might or might not also be related to obstruction of justice as it relates to the Russia investigation as it ties into how much blackmail material there might be out there for him.
I get that you want to believe that, but the principle that everything spent during a Presidential Campaign relates to the campaign is unwarranted.
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I get that you want to believe that, but the principle that everything spent during a Presidential Campaign relates to the campaign is unwarranted.
Hush-money isn't just anything.
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Hush-money isn't just anything.
I have already expertly explained that he will simply say that he did it to keep his wife and child from finding out, he is totally sorry, she forgave him and will be converting to Melania's religion because they love each other so so much.

C'mon, this is a layup.
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I get that you want to believe that, but the principle that everything spent during a Presidential Campaign relates to the campaign is unwarranted.
Hush money to keep documents including text messages and pictures of coming out right before the election is pretty clearly related to the election though. If Trump had locked down all his sexts and photographs with him and a porn star possibly taken by her photographer(He is named as having some the the documents that are not allowed to come out) before he started running for president it would have gone much better for him.

You really think this wouldn't have effected the election, when questions of how blackmailable he is to the Russians was a major issue?
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I have already expertly explained that he will simply say that he did it to keep his wife and child from finding out, he is totally sorry, she forgave him and will be converting to Melania's religion because they love each other so so much.

C'mon, this is a layup.
Why didn't he do that in the decade between the events and when he started running for president? Instead of with in a month of the election.
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Why didn't he do that in the decade between the events and when he started running for president? Instead of with in a month of the election.
Because Stormy chose to bring it up then, obviously.

Trump thought, oh man, I am already on thin ice with my lady due to Billy Bush tape, the last thing she needs is to hear this now or I will be in the dog house for sure!
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Because Stormy chose to bring it up then, obviously.

Trump thought, oh man, I am already on thin ice with my lady due to Billy Bush tape, the last thing she needs is to hear this now or I will be in the dog house for sure!
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Totally not true. I get that there are lots of internet lawyers out there who are telling you what you want to hear, but there is no factual basis for your assertion in the slightest.
Does the irony of your posts ever affect you ??
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Because Stormy chose to bring it up then, obviously.

Trump thought, oh man, I am already on thin ice with my lady due to Billy Bush tape, the last thing she needs is to hear this now or I will be in the dog house for sure!
Yep and none of that would have a substantive impact on the election. Because motivation is not what the law is about, but effect.
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Penthouse letters were mostly fake (as were those of similar sources). A seventies book on writing porn/erotica books included a section on writing porn letters for men's mags (iirc the best paid 75.00 for letters). Included prices for formats (letter, article, fiction short stories and other) and who to contact. Some were random sex, others were specialized re: sex act written about.
You mean, Penthouse created unrealistic expectations for my young adult life? I feel misled.

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Does the irony of your posts ever affect you ??
I'll answer that, NO, No it doesn't!!!
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Dream big, Craig4. Divorce, a custody battle, and impeachment by the puritans in congress.
I didn't say anything about impeachment. At this point I'd be happy with an ugly divorce, separation, or some other marital discord that would humiliate The Hair.
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I didn't say anything about impeachment. At this point I'd be happy with an ugly divorce, separation, or some other marital discord that would humiliate The Hair.
We will have to see how much Cohen will fall on his sword for Trump.
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Does the irony of your posts ever affect you ??
Did you mean to say that to me or the person who claimed "That this was a criminal conspiracy by his personal lawyer is now a matter of public record"?

Because we all know that statement is false.
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We will have to see how much Cohen will fall on his sword for Trump.
That'll probably depend on no jail time and how much money there is in it for him.
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Stormy Daniels Offers to Return Payment to End Deal for Her Silence
The pornographic film actress who says she had an affair with President Trump offered on Monday to return $130,000 she received from Mr. Trump’s personal lawyer in 2016 for agreeing not to discuss the alleged relationship.

In exchange, the actress, Stephanie Clifford, seeks an end to her deal to keep quiet about what she says was an affair with Mr. Trump that started in 2006 and lasted for several months.

In the letter, which was sent to Mr. Trump’s personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, early Monday, Ms. Clifford’s lawyer, Michael Avenatti, wrote that Ms. Clifford would wire the money into an account of Mr. Trump’s choosing by Friday.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/12/b...ald-trump.html
Stormy Daniels Offers to Return Payment to End Deal for Her Silence
The pornographic film actress who says she had an affair with President Trump offered on Monday to return $130,000 she received from Mr. Trumpís personal lawyer in 2016 for agreeing not to discuss the alleged relationship.

In exchange, the actress, Stephanie Clifford, seeks an end to her deal to keep quiet about what she says was an affair with Mr. Trump that started in 2006 and lasted for several months.

In the letter, which was sent to Mr. Trumpís personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, early Monday, Ms. Cliffordís lawyer, Michael Avenatti, wrote that Ms. Clifford would wire the money into an account of Mr. Trumpís choosing by Friday.
Stormy Daniels Offers to Return Payment to End Deal for Her Silence avoid paying Trump liquidated damages.
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Stormy Daniels Offers to Return Payment to End Deal for Her Silence avoid paying Trump liquidated damages.
That makes no sense, and you know it: the settlement asks for $1million for a breach of contract, not 130K.
This is about undoing the deal, nothing else.
Pretending otherwise is childish.
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That makes no sense, and you know it: the settlement asks for $1million for a breach of contract, not 130K.
This is about undoing the deal, nothing else.
Pretending otherwise is childish.
what an unusual comment.

The original agreement calls for liquidated damages payable if stormy breaches the agreement. Offering 130k when she already owes a cool 1 mil and the agreement remains enforceable is just a silly stunt. Pretending otherwise is childish.
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Cohen's restraining order will most likely not stop the airing of Clifford's 60 Minute interview.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.8e1b0c9e5c71

Where's the popcorn?
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Old 12th March 2018, 10:45 AM   #356
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Originally Posted by TheL8Elvis View Post
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/12/b...ald-trump.html
Stormy Daniels Offers to Return Payment to End Deal for Her Silence
The pornographic film actress who says she had an affair with President Trump offered on Monday to return $130,000 she received from Mr. Trumpís personal lawyer in 2016 for agreeing not to discuss the alleged relationship.

In exchange, the actress, Stephanie Clifford, seeks an end to her deal to keep quiet about what she says was an affair with Mr. Trump that started in 2006 and lasted for several months.

In the letter, which was sent to Mr. Trumpís personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, early Monday, Ms. Cliffordís lawyer, Michael Avenatti, wrote that Ms. Clifford would wire the money into an account of Mr. Trumpís choosing by Friday.
Of course she would have to do that if the court finds that the deal has no legal standing anyway, possibly less lawyers fees and such.

We are not going to hear anything official from Trump side until they have to file something, which they had 60 days for.
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Old 12th March 2018, 10:45 AM   #357
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You mean, Penthouse created unrealistic expectations for my young adult life? I feel misled.

"I never thought something like that would happen to me!" And nothing ever did.
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Old 12th March 2018, 10:52 AM   #358
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Who brought up "Penthouse"?

Bought that 30 years ago, got REALLY BAD ideas about college.

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Old 12th March 2018, 11:04 AM   #359
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
what an unusual comment.

The original agreement calls for liquidated damages payable if stormy breaches the agreement. Offering 130k when she already owes a cool 1 mil and the agreement remains enforceable is just a silly stunt. Pretending otherwise is childish.
To whom does she owe this cool 1 mil ??

How did you determine that ?
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Originally Posted by TheL8Elvis View Post
To whom does she owe this cool 1 mil ??

How did you determine that ?
I read the agreement that Stormy signed in October 2016 pursuant to which she got the original 130k, obviously.
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