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Old 8th March 2018, 04:20 PM   #1
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It's Ok To Be An Anti Semite If Your Name is Louis Farrakhan...

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...-semitism.html

The Women's March just lost a huge amount of creditbility with this stupidity.

I find it incredible that anybody who calls him or her self a "Progressive" would continue to support Louis The Louse with his long history of bigotry.

Lets be honest:Farrakhan gets away with outrageous crap in the eyes of some progressives because he is black. IMHO, it is only proof that hatred and bigotry comes in all flavors, and can infect somebody regardless of race, color or creed.
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Old 8th March 2018, 04:24 PM   #2
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Lets be honest:Farrakhan gets away with outrageous crap in the eyes of some progressives because he is black. IMHO, it is only proof that hatred and bigotry comes in all flavors, and can infect somebody regardless of race, color or creed.
To be blunt you need to redefine the above but add power. Without it, I hear, one can never be accused of almost anything.
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Originally Posted by Stankeye View Post
To be blunt you need to redefine the above but add power. Without it, I hear, one can never be accused of almost anything.
Oh, please, not this "You can't be a bigot unless you are in a position of power" crap.
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Oh, please, not this "You can't be a bigot unless you are in a position of power" crap.
I thought your question was why "progressives" still support him? Which I thought you answered because he was black, and I furthered that by saying he has no power.

I think they are both the same to some progressives, but I could be wrong.

Maybe if we just yell Hypocrites, that will solve it.
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OK, I will say it is hypocritical to claim to be gainst bigotry of all forms and then support Farrakhan.
But I don't get what the hell you are diving at.
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Farrakhan is still alive? I thought he'd died years ago!
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Originally Posted by Stankeye View Post
To be blunt you need to redefine the above but add power. Without it, I hear, one can never be accused of almost anything.
Damn. I was about to say something along these lines.
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To be fair, Farrakhan seems to be an equal opportunity bigot. Only misogyny seems to be missing on the list on the article. Oh wait... which makes it more curious that the Women's March won't denounce him.

But why is the guy, and Nation of Islam, still an issue and not long sunk into obscurity?
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To be fair, Farrakhan seems to be an equal opportunity bigot. Only misogyny seems to be missing on the list on the article. Oh wait... which makes it more curious that the Women's March won't denounce him.

But why is the guy, and Nation of Islam, still an issue and not long sunk into obscurity?
Because, sad to say, the Alpha Hotel does have a following among the angrier section of the Afro America Community.
And,equally sad, there are some "Progressives" who think it is "racist" for a white man ever to criticize a black man over anything. SO they give Louie the Louse a pass.
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Damn. I was about to say something along these lines.
I don't see how anybody could read Farrkahn's rants about the Jews..which would fit in perfectly in Nazi Germany..and deny the guy is a bigot.
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
Farrakhan is still alive? I thought he'd died years ago!
Sadly, that is not the case.
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But why is the guy, and Nation of Islam, still an issue and not long sunk into obscurity?
It's something that news agencies should look into but I don't think they'll spare anyone from the obscure Trump voter beat.
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I don't see how anybody could read Farrkahn's rants about the Jews..which would fit in perfectly in Nazi Germany..and deny the guy is a bigot.
Nobody's denying he's a bigot. They're just denying that they need to denounce his bigotry. That women's movement said as much.

You'd think that the organization that marched on Washington in pussy hats would be the first to throw Farrakhan under the bus, but apparently they think otherwise.

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Nobody's denying he's a bigot. They're just denying that they need to denounce his bigotry. That women's movement said as much.

You'd think that the organization that marched on Washington in pussy hats would be the first to throw Farrakhan under the bus, but apparently they think otherwise.
One organization said as much, not the whole woman's movement.
SOmebody's dislike of women being uppity is showing.
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One organization said as much, not the whole woman's movement.
SOmebody's dislike of women being uppity is showing.
Not at all. I used movement synonymously with organization. I apologize for the confusion. I hope you no longer think less of me in consequence.

Also, feel free to speak plainly to me, if you think you have something to say.

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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
I don't see how anybody could read Farrkahn's rants about the Jews..which would fit in perfectly in Nazi Germany..and deny the guy is a bigot.
Well, a lot of people on the left-wing would say that he can't be a bigot because racism and sexism and whatnot need bigotry + power. It's ridiculous, but that's the point I was making.
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To be fair, Farrakhan seems to be an equal opportunity bigot. Only misogyny seems to be missing on the list on the article. Oh wait... which makes it more curious that the Women's March won't denounce him.

But why is the guy, and Nation of Islam, still an issue and not long sunk into obscurity?
He was defending women on record as early as '53:

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http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...-semitism.html

The Women's March just lost a huge amount of creditbility with this stupidity.

I find it incredible that anybody who calls him or her self a "Progressive" would continue to support Louis The Louse with his long history of bigotry.

Lets be honest:Farrakhan gets away with outrageous crap in the eyes of some progressives because he is black. IMHO, it is only proof that hatred and bigotry comes in all flavors, and can infect somebody regardless of race, color or creed.
For those who didn’t drink the koolaid, “progressives” lost credibility along time ago.
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To be fair, Farrakhan seems to be an equal opportunity bigot. Only misogyny seems to be missing on the list on the article. Oh wait... which makes it more curious that the Women's March won't denounce him.

But why is the guy, and Nation of Islam, still an issue and not long sunk into obscurity?
In truth? that'll take some time...

Remember how everyone keeps saying that Dolt 45's victory is about "economic anxiety", even when it's repeatedly pointed out that no, support for him actually tracks very well with racism against nonwhite people, and not at all with any economic indicator?

The NOI is an example of an actual economically deprived group can turn to brazen bigotry - and can actually be half-right much of the time. This is what I mean when I say "racism is childish" - take a good premise, an absolutely batty premise, and follow them to a batty conclusion. Add this with the usual anti-Semitic nonsense and some religious nonsense, and you get a lot of Farrakhan's teachings.

Take the clip in this tweet that gets passed around. - and to warn you, this is a tweet directly from Farrakhan's official twitter account Yes, it's antisemitic - but if you go at it like that, the NOI people will immediately point to COINTELPRO, the move against "Black Identity Extremists", Trump's attempts to downplay white supremacist groups, point out that he's loved by Bibi Netanyahu, his "jew son in law and daughter" and blah blah.

And the problem is, most people rarely go at all beyond "He's antisemitic"!

Think of it as less "Obama wants cops to be murdered, how horrible!" stupid bigotry, and more Moon Landing deniers. Some of their premises *are* realistic or outright correct, but others are just fantasy-world nonsense - in his case, plainly bigoted nonsense.

If anything, I'd expect them to thrive in an environment like this - and Farrakhan explicitly stated the same, pointing to Toupee Fiasco as a reason for black Americans to form their own separate country.

And as to why he's still tolerated among some political spots? Well, he does represent a part of constituents, like it or not (I strongly dislike it). And even I kinda roll my eyes when the same people who said "economic anxiety" explained Dolt 45 and giving us loving write-ups on how misunderstood the rural white man is, then spin around and insist that NOI is pure, out-of-nowhere racism. And unlike the usual gangs and supremacist groups, he does tend to turn violent criminals into relatively decent people - the NOI has hateful teachings, but are rarely seen attacking synagogues or slashing people on Portland public transit rail cars, just to be clear on what they're relatively good in comparison to. It's also worth noting that Farrakhan was one of very few people with national standing who spoke directly to black men about not killing one another at the height of the 1990s - see his work resolving violent rap beefs, the Million Man March, and so forth.

Still don't know where all the money he raised from that march went to, though...

As for their (outdated) view of women - well, early forms of black feminism in the US tended to have very different concerns from early white feminism - being able to work outside the home was less of an issue, racialized sexual assault a very real risk rather than an excuse to murder people of another race using the still-fashionable "brute/thug" stereotype, etc.

And now to be clear on where I stand on him: His view of feminism is, at best, laughably outdated (and hotep-y, in that he outright bashes feminism in total). He's still *far* too friendly towards despots, he still sold out to crap like Scientology, he still had Malcolm X murdered, and so forth. Basically, he's the type of scum that far too many people accused Dolt 45 of being, while Dolt 45 is the type of scum that people accuse *him* of being, and I'd still be happy if he were to fade into obscurity. But the above is stuff I learned by talking to actual NOI members and sympathizers.
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My main issue with Farrakhan is his conspiracy ******** he spreads among his followers and admirers.
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Perhaps we’re being too hard on Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam.

I’m sure some of them are very fine people.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
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Why Won’t Women’s March Leaders Denounce Louis Farrakhan’s Anti-Semitism?

By Jesse Singal
NYMag Writer Deletes Twitter Account After Accused of Harassment
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Over the past two years, Singal has been writing critically about transgender issues for NYMag, earning him accusations of transphobia from certain quarters. Amid accusations of bigotry towards transgender people, allegations have surfaced that Singal’s inquiries into the topic went far beyond simple research, and in some cases bordered on harassment...

The allegations against Singal aren’t exactly new. Last year, Jamie Walton, the female founder of an anti-sex trafficking organization accused the NYMag writer of behaving in a predatory manner.

The NYMag writer falsely blamed the GamerGate movement for Nintendo’s decision to fire one of its employees who was moonlighting as a prostitute. The claim was later proven false, and earned Singal the moniker of “Virtue Singal.”

During his investigation into GamerGate, Singal conflated Walton with the movement. Walton alleged that Singal “hounded me with fake nice emails and tweets trying to get me on record,” adding that he “behaves like a predator rather than a journalist. So glad I ignored him entirely.”
Why Won’t New York Magazine's Leaders Denounce Jesse Singal's Bigotry Towards Women?

The NYMag just lost a huge amount of creditbility with this stupidity.
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NYMag Writer Deletes Twitter Account After Accused of HarassmentWhy Won’t New York Magazine's Leaders Denounce Jesse Singal's Bigotry Towards Women?

The NYMag just lost a huge amount of creditbility with this stupidity.
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Milo? Naaaaah
Ian Miles Cheong (the author of the piece) isn't exactly the most trustworthy guy, either. What this has to do with Farrakhan is anyone's guess...
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Perhaps we’re being too hard on Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam.

I’m sure some of them are very fine people.
He did support Trump, and it is nice to see how Trump can bring Nazi's, Zionists and the Nation of Islam together. A true Smorgasboard of hate.
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Well certainly from this thread it is obvious that it is not OK for Farrakhan to be a bigot.
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Does anybody around here...or did anybody around here claim for Farrakhan to still be relevant?
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Is there such a thing as a progressive with a recognizable name who thinks it's ok to be an anti-Semite if your name is Farrakhan?
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Does anybody around here...or did anybody around here claim for Farrakhan to still be relevant?
I hadn't even heard of this guy until yesterday.
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Is there such a thing as a progressive with a recognizable name who thinks it's ok to be an anti-Semite if your name is Farrakhan?
My anti-semitism used to be a massive social hindrance for me until I changed my name to Farrakhan. Now my anti-semitism makes the chicks swoon on the pussy hat march.

You too can make your anti-semitism work for you!
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My anti-semitism used to be a massive social hindrance for me until I changed my name to Farrakhan. Now my anti-semitism makes the chicks swoon on the pussy hat march.

You too can make your anti-semitism work for you!
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Does anybody around here...or did anybody around here claim for Farrakhan to still be relevant?
Well, the Women's March organization seems to think he's still relevant:
-- Women's March leaders attend his events
-- Their denunciation(?) of him is surprisingly weak, and stresses the importance of not letting divisions spring up between them.

It's reasonable to infer that they think he's relevant, and that they think it's important to not alienate other people who think he's relevant.

And I think we can all agree that the Women's March is certainly relevant today. From there, it seems reasonable to conclude that anyone the Women's March considers relevant is, in fact, relevant.

And given the amount of asininity and inanity on this board, I don't think a Member's ignorance of Farrakhan is a reliable indicator of his relevance.
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And given the amount of asininity and inanity on this board, I don't think a Member's ignorance of Farrakhan is a reliable indicator of his relevance.
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The Women's March was never anything but a leftist front group, and publicly at least, there are no enemies on the Left. Calling out Farrakhan does nothing to further the mission of the group, which is to oppose Trump and the GOP.
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
The Women's March was never anything but a leftist front group, and publicly at least, there are no enemies on the Left. Calling out Farrakhan does nothing to further the mission of the group, which is to oppose Trump and the GOP.
But Farrakhan supports Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.2851ad0fc85c

"Late 2016 saw Farrakhan make his first appearance ever on the “Alex Jones Show.” The interview came after Farrakhan released a video on Twitter referencing Jones’ refusal to hand over his guns to the federal government. During the interview, Farrakhan expressed his thoughts on the 2016 presidential candidates and proceeded to make a comparison between modern day politicians and women you see “in any major city, undressed showing their wares for a John to buy them.” During February 2017’s Saviour’s Day event, he changed his tone and publicly expressed his liking for Donald Trump claiming “Trump ‘is the only member who has stood in front of the Jewish Community and said, ‘I don’t want your money.’” He seemed to put aside the issue of Trump’s travel ban that initially targeted people from seven majority Muslim countries and claimed he did not endorse the candidate but he liked what he saw."

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-h...ouis-farrakhan
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
But Farrakhan supports Trump.
Not really. From your second link:

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In December of 2016, just days after Trump won the presidency, he spoke to his followers and assured them that Trump’s presidential win presented an opening for other black people to realize it was time to separate from “White America.” Farrakhan saw Trump’s rhetoric as a much-needed push that would enlighten others to join his movement, “My message to Trump: Push it real good, push it so that black people say, ‘I’m out of here. I can’t take it no more.’”
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Well, a lot of people on the left-wing would say that he can't be a bigot because racism and sexism and whatnot need bigotry + power. It's ridiculous, but that's the point I was making.
I'm pretty sure this criteria was developed specifically to deny the racism/sexism of people for whom it's inconvenient to acknowledge their racism/sexism.
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
Not really. From your second link:
Exactly he agrees with noted Trump Supporter Richard Spencer. Trump is really into big tent ethnonationalism.
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