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Old 11th March 2018, 04:53 PM   #1
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Another UK Grooming Scandal: Up to 1,000 kids drugged, beaten, & raped in Telford, UK

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Girls as young as 11 were drugged, beaten and raped in Telford, with up to 1,000 children estimated to have suffered abuse in the town, a new investigation has found.

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believed to have been taking place over a 40 year period.

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Allegations reported to date back to the 1980s are said to have been mishandled by authorities, with many perpetrators going unpunished, while it is claimed similar abuse is continuing in the area.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/577707...gangs-victims/

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...oming-12165527

http://metro.co.uk/2018/03/11/1000-c...andal-7377736/

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/lat...-murder-police


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TRAGIC: Becky Watson, 13, was groomed by a gang and made to sleep with multiple men

"Night after night, I was forced to have sex with multiple men in disgusting takeaways and filthy houses.

"I fell pregnant twice and had two abortions. Hours after my second termination, I was taken by one of my abusers to be raped by more men.

"The worst moment came just after my 16th birthday when I was drugged and gang-raped by five men."

Authorities implicated in the cover-up say they did it because the perps were Asian and they did not want to appear racist.

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And authorities failed to keep details of child abusers from Asian backgrounds for fear of being accused of "racism".

Way too much to quote here, check out the articles.

According to twitter May knew about this cover-up (as well as another case that broke 4 years ago) and was involved in the cover-up (of the cover-up).
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Old 11th March 2018, 04:55 PM   #2
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Shades of the Satanic Panic!
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Old 11th March 2018, 05:09 PM   #3
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Shades of the Satanic Panic!
Really? After Rotherham, that is your reaction?
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Shades of the Satanic Panic!
Although the figure is estimated (and the quoted sources are tabloid) I don't doubt that there have been horrific crimes commited and on a massive scale, the allegation is that this has been going on for forty years so there has been time for the numbers to build up. I'd want to see a better source than Twitter to lend credence to the claim that May was involved in covering it up though.
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Strange that this is largely (exclusively?) a British phenomenon. Is it something in the food or water?
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If I was a young junkie turning tricks for cash I would blame it on filthy Asian men who cannot be named. That way I wouldn't have to take any personal responsibility for anything.
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Strange that this is largely (exclusively?) a British phenomenon. Is it something in the food or water?
Sex slavery is hardly just a British thing
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Sex slavery is hardly just a British thing
1k kids in one town is unprecedented in the developed world (at least), though, isn't it?
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They interviewed twelve. Seems like they could have done hundreds.
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If it went on for 40 years, that would be 25 kids during any given year? Am I doing the math correctly?
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1k kids in one town is unprecedented in the developed world (at least), though, isn't it?
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If it went on for 40 years, that would be 25 kids during any given year? Am I doing the math correctly?
Sort of. They aren't and can't say that there was a perfect year-by-year average. They are basically saying a grand total of a thousand over forty years. Some years may have had hundreds going on.

It's unfalsifiable and can't be checked for accuracy.
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Strange that this is largely (exclusively?) a British phenomenon. Is it something in the food or water?
Yes, the Rotherham and Telford cases, definitely something to do with Britain. Specifically, the failures of integration in the UK.
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Sort of. They aren't and can't say that there was a perfect year-by-year average. They are basically saying a grand total of a thousand over forty years. Some years may have had hundreds going on.

It's unfalsifiable and can't be checked for accuracy.
Yeah, I should have clarified "it would average out to".

I'd need to know how they came up with the estimate to have an opinion.
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It reminds me a lot of this incident, which took place in my childhood home town. This is one of the reasons I'm skeptical.
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They interviewed twelve. Seems like they could have done hundreds.
According to the Mirror, the estimated total figure of victims was arrived at in this way.
We presented our findings to Professor Liz KellyWP, from the Child and Woman Abuse Studies Unit at London Metropolitan University.
She helped estimate the number of victims based on figures gathered by our investigators.
I find this opinion of hers disquieting, or to be more accurate, outrageous.
In her book "The Hidden Gender of Law", Kelly argues "there is no clear distinction between consensual sex and rape, but a continuum of pressure, threat, coercion and force".
The idea that sex between men and women could ever even in principle be characterised by desire or fulfilment experienced by women, let alone by mutual affection or love, is entirely absent from this perception.

The Mirror doesn't inform us how Professor Kelly obtained her estimate of the number of victims. However, the accusations of abuse are very grave, and require investigation.

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Strange that this is largely (exclusively?) a British phenomenon. Is it something in the food or water?
No, it happens in every country that has experienced large scale Muslim immigration.
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No, it happens in every country that has experienced large scale Muslim immigration.
Lol

What utter pants
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No, it happens in every country that has experienced large scale Muslim immigration.
Yet another indication that "Muslims are the new Jews".
Stories of Rassenschande, i.e. the Jewish men and German women having sex, were staples of Der StürmerWP but many were creations of Streicher's imagination, derived from little fact, or random occurrences. Streicher described Jews as sex offenders who were "violators of the innocent", "perpetrators of bizarre sex crimes", and "ritual murderers" who performed in religious ceremonies using blood of other humans, usually Christians. Streicher also frequently reported attempts of child molestation by Jews. Der Stürmer never lacked details about sex, names, and crimes in order to keep readers aroused and entertained. These accusations, articles and crimes printed in Der Stürmer were often inaccurate and rarely investigated by staff members.
Israel is understandably popular with the extreme right, so Jews can no longer fulfil their traditional role of social scapegoat, which entailed among other things their alleged participation in sexual disorders. Muslims have been made to take their place.

That is why the necessity of unprejudiced investigation is absolute in the Telford case, so that the possibility that racial bias is a factor in the accusations can be definitively eliminated.

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It reminds me a lot of this incident, which took place in my childhood home town. This is one of the reasons I'm skeptical.

We had one of those, too. The Little Rascals day care center sexual abuse trial.

Claims included (but were not limited to) ritual baby killing, children taken out to sea and thrown into schools of sharks, and something to do with "inappropriate trips" in hot air balloons.

The main defendant was charged with 100 counts and convicted of 99 in the most expensive trial in North Carolina's history. He was sentenced to 12 consecutive terms of life in prison.

All convictions were reversed. After he spent a few years in prison.

Others suffered the same treatment, although not to that extent.

Oh, and they were all (at least nominally) Christians.
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No, it happens in every country that has experienced large scale Muslim immigration.
Because Asian = Muslim, right?
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Because Asian = Muslim, right?
Or Russia and several non Muslim countries in Africa
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If it went on for 40 years, that would be 25 kids during any given year? Am I doing the math correctly?
Yes and no, but only because the "estimates" in cases like these seem more akin to water divining than even basic mathematics. Simply dividing 1000 supposed victims by 40 years would mean 25 new ones each and every year, which stretches credulity a bit.

One victim is said to have been abused for two year, and another nine years. Circumstances also vary, with what would seem to be initially consensual - albeit it sometimes underage/illegal - relationships retroactively deemed "grooming" when the alleged victims were "passed on," which would appear to tally with the viewpoint of the academic responsible.

In that context it could have been the case that on average 25 girls/women could be in both pre-abuse relationships and being actively abused at any one time, but even if we assume a speculative average of three years for every victim, there would have to be either a lot less victims in total, or far more than 25 in any given year. It can be had both ways.

The figure of "more than 70 abusers" also seems suspect, both in and of itself, and in relation to the claimed total number of victims. Given the 40 year timescale, while it is possible that some perpetrators might have been involved throughout, most might only be implicated for a few years/months/weeks.

Clearly the extremes of the twelve alleged victims who spoke to the Mirror suggest various degrees of criminality, but it edges into conspiracy theory territory if their stories are typical for the other 988. If the same subset of the 12 fruitlessly reported it to the authorities, it would suggest an industrial-scale cover-up. Either that of a hell of a lot of individuals behaving negligently, not joining the dots, etc.

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Yes, the Rotherham and Telford cases, definitely something to do with Britain. Specifically, the failures of integration in the UK.
A minuscule subset of an immigrant population behaving aberrationally damns the majority?
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No, it happens in every country that has experienced large scale Muslim immigration.
You should be able to cite lots of verifiable examples, then.
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Strange that this is largely (exclusively?) a British phenomenon. Is it something in the food or water?
Or is it that we've started exposing these situations earlier than other countries? Given how the abuse scandal of the RCC was initially (and victims derided for decades before being taken seriously) seemingly confined to Ireland and then exploded throughout the world I would be very wary in thinking this is largely confined to the UK (even though I wish it is).
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Or is it that we've started exposing these situations earlier than other countries? Given how the abuse scandal of the RCC was initially (and victims derided for decades before being taken seriously) seemingly confined to Ireland and then exploded throughout the world I would be very wary in thinking this is largely confined to the UK (even though I wish it is).
Unfortunately I think it's more a case of it actually only being newsworthy in the western Europe and the UK and no one particularly cares about the large amount of other countries where it's basically just part of the wall paper.

Kind of like the multiple suicide bombers only hitting mainstream media when it's the same countries
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Yes and no, but only because the "estimates" in cases like these seem more akin to water divining than even basic mathematics. Simply dividing 1000 supposed victims by 40 years would mean 25 new ones each and every year, which stretches credulity a bit.

One victim is said to have been abused for two year, and another nine years. Circumstances also vary, with what would seem to be initially consensual - albeit it sometimes underage/illegal - relationships retroactively deemed "grooming" when the alleged victims were "passed on," which would appear to tally with the viewpoint of the academic responsible.

In that context it could have been the case that on average 25 girls/women could be in both pre-abuse relationships and being actively abused at any one time, but even if we assume a speculative average of three years for every victim, there would have to be either a lot less victims in total, or far more than 25 in any given year. It can be had both ways.

The figure of "more than 70 abusers" also seems suspect, both in and of itself, and in relation to the claimed total number of victims. Given the 40 year timescale, while it is possible that some perpetrators might have been involved throughout, most might only be implicated for a few years/months/weeks.

Clearly the extremes of the twelve alleged victims who spoke to the Mirror suggest various degrees of criminality, but it edges into conspiracy theory territory if their stories are typical for the other 988. If the same subset of the 12 fruitlessly reported it to the authorities, it would suggest an industrial-scale cover-up. Either that of a hell of a lot of individuals behaving negligently, not joining the dots, etc.
I'm having a really hard time taking this (the 1k number) too seriously at all at this point. The mathematical model being used to calculate the cumulative total is unknown, and the source of the "by year" (or whatever her source of the input data is) number is also unknown, so...that's feeding an estimated number into a questionable algorithm?

I'm almost wondering if each of the 12 interviewed victims reported having a sibling or friend they knew were also abused (on average) and the math was extrapolated outwards from there to make the 1k figure over 40 years?
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This whole thing is a bad joke. The under-estimation of abuse victims in the predominant Pakistani 'grooming' (for 'grooming', read 'rape, torture and murder') gang phenomenon is tragic. Fourteen hundred girls were identified in Rotherham - a single small town - and for some unexplained reason it was assumed that this was a one-off. Now a thousand plus girls are being identified in another town and people are, Whoa! Not again! How is that possible? Well, it's possible because it has happened in is still happening in scores of towns and cities up and down the country, on a scale of Rotherham and greater.

The total, if ever accurately assessed, will be in the multiple tens of thousands for the past 30 - 40 year period, unquestionably. Unfortunately no such assessment will ever be made, for the same reasons as the authorities have permitted, and in many cases actively facilitated, these rapes over a 40 year period.
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I'd need to know how they came up with the estimate to have an opinion.
Yes, it's always a good idea of have some knowledge of the subject before expressing an opinion.
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This whole thing is a bad joke. The under-estimation of abuse victims in the predominant Pakistani 'grooming' (for 'grooming', read 'rape, torture and murder') gang phenomenon is tragic. Fourteen hundred girls were identified in Rotherham - a single small town - and for some unexplained reason it was assumed that this was a one-off. Now a thousand plus girls are being identified in another town and people are, Whoa! Not again! How is that possible? Well, it's possible because it has happened in is still happening in scores of towns and cities up and down the country, on a scale of Rotherham and greater.

The total, if ever accurately assessed, will be in the multiple tens of thousands for the past 30 - 40 year period, unquestionably. Unfortunately no such assessment will ever be made, for the same reasons as the authorities have permitted, and in many cases actively facilitated, these rapes over a 40 year period.
Your last paragraph makes no sense since we only know of this because the powers that be are now investigating allegations.

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1k kids in one town is unprecedented in the developed world (at least), though, isn't it?
Not really, this guy managed to molest all the boys in his town.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-Victoria.html

Though as the total population of the town is only 1000, he might not have been able to rack up his number so high.
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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy View Post
No, it happens in every country that has experienced large scale Muslim immigration.
Or lets in the catholics.
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Originally Posted by This is The End View Post
Authorities implicated in the cover-up say they did it because the perps were Asian and they did not want to appear racist.
Now why did I know that just from the thread title?
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Originally Posted by Information Analyst View Post
A minuscule subset of an immigrant population behaving aberrationally damns the majority?
For myself: no, not at all. It does seem to highlight cultural differences that need to be addressed in order to curb this problem. And the authorities being fearful of dealing with this is another major aspect that needs to be solved.
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Your last paragraph makes no sense since we only know of this because the powers that be are now investigating a tiny proportion of the allegations because they've been forced into the pretence of action.
My additions for accuracy.
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A minuscule subset of an immigrant population behaving aberrationally damns the majority?
A very well-defined subset, but let's not mention that, let's tar all immigrants and indeed all Asians with the same brush for the sake of obfuscation.
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Originally Posted by baron View Post
My additions for accuracy.
How many investigations are ongoing?



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