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Old 12th March 2018, 09:56 AM   #1
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Shingles vaccine- any good news?

46 years old, insurance doesn't cover it. Costs $190 from my pharmacy.

Any answers?

They say that people who have had chicken pox as a child have a 25% chanche of shingles. I don't like those odds
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Old 12th March 2018, 10:57 AM   #2
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Do it. $190 is peanuts to prevent a flareup.
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Old 12th March 2018, 12:25 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy View Post
Do it. $190 is peanuts to prevent a flareup.
He's 46, Beelze, be careful giving advice that may not be correct.

Consider waiting, take a look at the expected length of protection. The earlier age you were when you had chicken pox, the higher the rate of earlier shingles. But most risk is either people who are immunocompromised or older than 65.

If you have a lot of money, then get the vaccine but you'll probably need a booster.

For those of you unvaccinated, if you can get acyclovir or a related med started within 24 hours of onset it will significantly attenuate the outbreak. Learn the symptoms, know where you can get fast access to the antiviral med.
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Old 12th March 2018, 12:44 PM   #4
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Old 12th March 2018, 03:01 PM   #5
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Hi, The Gold Country,

Magrat is recovering from Shingles at the moment. It's been two weeks since it started.

She said it's by far the most painful thing that's ever happened to her - she has been crying with the pain - and she'd had two kids.

Her advice is to do it. And as soon as possible.

It struck the nerve on the right side of her face, and almost blinded her. The right side of her forehead was very swollen, with large red/black blotches, and is only now starting to recede.

After two weeks it's still very, very painful, and she's still unable to sleep for long.

If you'd like to ask questions, please message me, and she'll reply.
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Old 12th March 2018, 04:11 PM   #6
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In my mid 40s I had a mild outbreak of shingles, secondary to an infected cut on a finger. The itching was unrelenting and maddening, and it was such a small area!

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
if you can get acyclovir
Protip: Don't pronounce it as "Assy Clover." You'll annoy your healthcare provider. So I have been informed, from reading doctor forums online.
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Old 12th March 2018, 04:29 PM   #7
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It struck the nerve on the right side of her face, and almost blinded her. The right side of her forehead was very swollen, with large red/black blotches, and is only now starting to recede.

After two weeks it's still very, very painful, and she's still unable to sleep for long.
Sorry to hear that.

I had it a couple years ago, left side of the head except for the area around eye, nose, and lips. After the first few days I found that calamine lotion helped immensely. Lasted close to 6 weeks, and then left me with the lovely parting gift of 2 months of Bell's palsy (paralysis) and numbness.

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Old 12th March 2018, 04:34 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by RedPillNeo View Post
In my mid 40s I had a mild outbreak of shingles, secondary to an infected cut on a finger. The itching was unrelenting and maddening, and it was such a small area!

Protip: Don't pronounce it as "Assy Clover." You'll annoy your healthcare provider. So I have been informed, from reading doctor forums online.
Unless your finger was cultured at the time there are 3 different viruses that could have caused that outbreak and shingles is the lowest on the likely list.

Sounds like HSV 1 or 2. Some doctors forget those viruses can infect fingers.Herpetic whitlow
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Old 12th March 2018, 04:35 PM   #9
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Best wishes to Magrat, and hopes for a smooth recovery. One of my friends got some relief by topically applying clove oil. He figured if it was good for nerve pain in teeth it might work for other nerve pain. Worked pretty well for him, though some people are sensitive to it, so worth patch-testing so you don't inflame things worse.
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Old 12th March 2018, 04:45 PM   #10
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Hi, The Gold Country,

Magrat is recovering from Shingles at the moment. It's been two weeks since it started.

She said it's by far the most painful thing that's ever happened to her - she has been crying with the pain - and she'd had two kids.

Her advice is to do it. And as soon as possible.

It struck the nerve on the right side of her face, and almost blinded her. The right side of her forehead was very swollen, with large red/black blotches, and is only now starting to recede.

After two weeks it's still very, very painful, and she's still unable to sleep for long.

If you'd like to ask questions, please message me, and she'll reply.
I hope she was prescribed an anti-viral such as acyclovir- it can reduce the length and severity of the outbreak (at least a bit) and reduce the chances of a subsequent chronic pain syndrome. But I think one needs to start taking it early in the outbreak for it to work. Good luck!
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Old 12th March 2018, 05:43 PM   #11
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I hope she was prescribed an anti-viral such as acyclovir- it can reduce the length and severity of the outbreak (at least a bit) and reduce the chances of a subsequent chronic pain syndrome. But I think one needs to start taking it early in the outbreak for it to work. Good luck!
That's what she's taking, so thanks for the confirmation!

And thanks for the good wishes.

I didn't want to hijack the thread, however.

But - we have some pictures that might convince people to get vaccinated! I'll see what I can find.
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I had it in my early 30's. You don't want it. And I'm astounded that it costs that much.
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Old 12th March 2018, 07:13 PM   #13
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Vaccination + Valcyclovir, mine went away in a 10-14 days. My sister's, with acyclovir, hung around for a couple months.

But when my case was most active, I also had other symptoms of viral infection. Fever and aches.

Mine was in the median nerve- a string of spots down my thumb, under the thumbnail, down the index finger and under that thumbnail too. Plus a patch on the outer side of my upper arm. Yes, the median nerve does a patch of skin on your upper arm.
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Old 12th March 2018, 07:32 PM   #14
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I caught the chicken pox when I was 13. I'm 20 years younger than the OP. I don't know how much time I have if it's dormant. I still have visible scars on my arms. Could the virus be concentrated in the nerves around these bumps?
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I had a Shingles flare up about 4 years ago (age 36 at the time). I have regular Remicade infusions which are an immunosuppressant. My flare up was all on the outer side of my left leg and upper left arm. I apparently had a pretty mild case of it. Aside from discomfort and some itching, I lucked out. It was still miserable. Weeks of it. Not fun.

Get vaccinated if your doctor recommends it for sure.
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I caught the chicken pox when I was 13. I'm 20 years younger than the OP. I don't know how much time I have if it's dormant. I still have visible scars on my arms. Could the virus be concentrated in the nerves around these bumps?
It hibernates in a nerve root or two, not in a scar.
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Vaccination + Valcyclovir, mine went away in a 10-14 days. My sister's, with acyclovir, hung around for a couple months.

But when my case was most active, I also had other symptoms of viral infection. Fever and aches.

Mine was in the median nerve- a string of spots down my thumb, under the thumbnail, down the index finger and under that thumbnail too. Plus a patch on the outer side of my upper arm. Yes, the median nerve does a patch of skin on your upper arm.
If you don't start the antiviral within 24 hours you don't get the same result.
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Thanks for all the feedback. Appreciated.
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I had shingles at the start of this year, as I also mentioned in the other thread. It was the most miserable couple of weeks of my life. Get the vaccine.

The itching and nerve pain was just unbearable. I had it on my face, and unfortunately it's left some scarring. Nasty nasty illness.
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If you don't start the antiviral within 24 hours you don't get the same result.

Which means that if you're the kind of person who doesn't rush to the doctor's office immediately when something hurts (and there are no other signs of shingles yet, which there often aren't) but instead wait to see if it doesn't stop hurting on its own, then it's already too late!

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Early symptoms of shingles may (!) include fever and general weakness. You may also feel areas of pain, burning, or a tingling sensation. A few days later (!!!), the first signs of a rash appear.
What does shingles look like (healthline.com)

I am that kind of person.
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Here's the after 12 days image [from Sunday] - pretty gruesome.

A few days earlier the pressure from the swelling had closed both eyes, with the right being extremely painful.
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No, it actually looks much worse than what I've had.
I hope that it didn't leave scars the same size!
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No, it actually looks much worse than what I've had.
I hope that it didn't leave scars the same size!
And - that was day 12. It looked way worse earlier, especially when her face was swollen.
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Which means that if you're the kind of person who doesn't rush to the doctor's office immediately when something hurts (and there are no other signs of shingles yet, which there often aren't) but instead wait to see if it doesn't stop hurting on its own, then it's already too late!
Which is why I say educate yourself about the symptoms and know where you can get access to the antiviral if you haven't had the vaccine. Actually, you should probably do the same even if vaccinated because it is not 100% effective.
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Here's the after 12 days image [from Sunday] - pretty gruesome.

A few days earlier the pressure from the swelling had closed both eyes, with the right being extremely painful.
Bummer!

It looks scabbed over, that's a good sign.
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Originally Posted by Rincewind View Post
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Here's the after 12 days image [from Sunday] - pretty gruesome.

A few days earlier the pressure from the swelling had closed both eyes, with the right being extremely painful.
Ewwwwww...
Did she have to carry a clapper and call out "unclean, unclean"?
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Which is why I say educate yourself about the symptoms and know where you can get access to the antiviral if you haven't had the vaccine. Actually, you should probably do the same even if vaccinated because it is not 100% effective.

I didn't even recognize the symptoms the second time around, and I bet I could misinterpret them again a third time, depending on the location of the pain.
My description in my case: a very 'sharp' pain that's not at all affected by rubbing the place. (Remember: it's in the nerve itself!) Heat doesn't remove the pain, but alleviates it a little.
The first time, I thought it might be a hears condition, but I guess it's probably different kind of pain. (Never had one.) The second time, I thought it might be an ear infection, but the pain was sharper.
In my early thirties I had kidney stones twice in a week. The pain was much worse (in my case), even though the pain was duller.
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Ewwwwww...
Did she have to carry a clapper and call out "unclean, unclean"?
That was my job.

But I quickly ran out of Treebeard and Quasimodo jokes...
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