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Old 11th December 2017, 08:31 AM   #281
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Trump Group Sends 12-Year-Old Girl to Interview Roy Moore Ahead of Alabama Election
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Old 11th December 2017, 11:52 AM   #282
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Originally Posted by WilliamSeger View Post

Way to stay classy, Repugnicans.

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Old 11th December 2017, 12:00 PM   #283
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Originally Posted by WilliamSeger View Post
Holy ****!

I keep thinking that, no way can these freaks continue to shock me, but they do.
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Old 11th December 2017, 12:04 PM   #284
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Originally Posted by kellyb View Post
Holy ****!

I keep thinking that, no way can these freaks continue to shock me, but they do.
Yeah. Wow.

I did a triple blink after reading that -- thinking, no, no, really? That has to be an Onion article.

Sure enough...
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Old 11th December 2017, 12:07 PM   #285
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Originally Posted by kellyb View Post
Holy ****!

I keep thinking that, no way can these freaks continue to shock me, but they do.
That seems to be the only point. "Lol, let's poke a finger in the libs eyes!"
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Old 11th December 2017, 12:13 PM   #286
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Originally Posted by WilliamSeger View Post
That seems to be the only point. "Lol, let's poke a finger in the libs eyes!"
That's really all conservatism is these days.
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Old 11th December 2017, 12:15 PM   #287
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That's really all conservatism is these days.
Pretty much.
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Old 11th December 2017, 12:38 PM   #288
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That's really all conservatism is these days.
On the bright side, the GOP really is falling apart at the seams. Like the National Review editor in chief going on twitter asking for any credible endorsements of the Republicare plan and hearing crickets.

The Grand Old Party is making a hell of a spectacle of themselves in their Grand Old death throes.

I wish Carlin was alive to see this.
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Old 11th December 2017, 03:57 PM   #289
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Some pro-Moore groups are taking an even more pointed approach to energize conservatives. One Moore-aligned group, Restore Our Godly Heritage PAC, is airing commercials on nearly 60 stations around the state accusing Jones of “trying to steal the election with vile, racist ads on black radio.”

“Desperate to steal this Senate race, Jones and his race-hustling allies are trying to start a race war and it’s only going to get worse in the final weekend, with millions of dollars in street money to turn out the vote,” it adds.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...my-navy-288861

"Street money"?
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Old 11th December 2017, 04:05 PM   #290
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Originally Posted by kellyb View Post
He doesn't mean Wall Street.

The next time anyone tries to say dogwhistles don't exist...
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Originally Posted by kellyb View Post

"Street money" comes from those people you see on the street every day. You know, your neighbors, shoppers, people going to and coming from work. Voters, in other words.

Dirty, nasty money all pawed over by the grubby hands of the people who actually cast votes.

It isn't like that nice, clean, special interest money which is mostly unsullied by the touch of actual constituents.
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Old 11th December 2017, 06:28 PM   #292
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_money

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Street money is an American political tactic in which local party officials are given legal cash handouts by an electoral candidate's campaign in exchange for the official's support in turning out voters on election day.
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Old 11th December 2017, 07:22 PM   #293
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Street money, or walking around money is one of those things that I do despise in politics....but it RARELY goes above the local level (usually urban) and is mostly used in between year elections. At the state level it rarely comes as more than a pittance to compensate canvassers.
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Old 11th December 2017, 07:37 PM   #294
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Oh! Thanks for the link. I actually see nothing wrong with paying some kid to go door to door distributing flyers or whatever. It's only the rightwingers who can afford to do it here in the South, tho. I always invite the kid in my house to give them a cliffnotes poli-sci course on the person they're working for. LOL
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Old 11th December 2017, 07:40 PM   #295
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Street money, or walking around money is one of those things that I do despise in politics....
Why? I see it as basic campaigning if you have the ability to do it. I do that sort of work on a volunteer basis for local candidates, but "my" candidates are always the financial underdogs here in Tn.
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Old 11th December 2017, 07:57 PM   #296
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I don't think that people who accept money from large corporations in return for passing laws which benefit those corporations at the expense of the people who voted them into office belong in the halls of power.

But in our current system that's how they get into the halls of power.

I don't think that people who categorically disregard or, worse yet, object to the most fundamental principles of or Constitution belong in the halls of power.

I don't think that people who use overt bigotry to appeal to the worst instincts of their electorate belong in the halls of power.

I have far fewer rats' asses to give for someone who might have grabbed a couple of butts.
Sometimes people lose perspective assessing these things. Your post puts things into perspective.
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Old 11th December 2017, 07:59 PM   #297
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The problem is that in the original press conference, this was presented as wholly written by Moore. Now it turns out that part of it was not written by Moore. The added part gives the impression that the yearbook was signed at the Olde Hickory House on a particular date. Since it was not Moore that wrote this, it raises the question about when exactly the addition was made. Since it was presented deceptively, it raises questions about the overall honesty of the rest of the claims.

There's also the simple fact that a yearbook inscription does not provide any proof whatsoever of sexual misconduct. All it really shows is that they met at least once.
And therein we see an example of how the RNC and Moore supporters cherry pick in order to ignore the totality of the whole.

It goes hand in hand with the propaganda framing saying "the inscription was changed" when the inscription is not the date, place or 'DA' after Moore's sig. The inscription wasn't changed.

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It goes hand in hand with the propaganda framing saying "the inscription was changed" when the inscription is not the date, place or 'DA' after Moore's sig. The inscription wasn't changed.

Yeah. If I were a girl that age being flattered to "date" a person in power, I'd have made the note, too, I think.
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I’m not implying anything, except that a yearbook could be signed in many circumstances.
Again ignoring the whole picture and going with the cherry-picked version you like better, "it could be". OK, if 'it could be' then explain the inscription in Nelson's year book.
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I am a proud Liberal and want the Dems to win more Senate seats, but I am a little uncomfortable with the charges being 30 years old, Moore denies them all, and Alred now admits to doctoring the yearbook writings.
So now adding the date and place is "doctoring".

Are you aware of this framing or was it unconscious?
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Unfortunately the "attraction to teenage girls" accusations have become the only thing the election is about. That's a YUGE mistake by the Dems.
Yes unless that's the only effective counter to a Republican Moore. If this were a national election you would be exactly right.
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Why? I see it as basic campaigning if you have the ability to do it. I do that sort of work on a volunteer basis for local candidates, but "my" candidates are always the financial underdogs here in Tn.
When you get to certain regions the money starts to move from being an acceptible stipend for canvasers to being pay-to-vote. Far too much money ends up being paid to 'canvasers' who don't canvas or at most talk with a couple of people hanging out in their neighborhood.

This does not really affect State and National elections, its giving people cash to go vote in small local elections that don't have much influence.

Its one of those things I would like to see regulated but I also understand it gets real hard to put limits on these things and would likely be too costly to regulate.
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The Question is not did he sign the Yearbook, but did he attempt to date a 16 year old and sexually Harass her, I have signed Highschool year books of young women Art students, but it was always in public, and nothing Moore like occurred.
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The Question is not did he sign the Yearbook, but did he attempt to date a 16 year old and sexually Harass her, I have signed Highschool year books of young women Art students, but it was always in public, and nothing Moore like occurred.
Have you? Are you in education in some respect?
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About the only way an adult signing a yearbook wouldn't be weird is if they were a teacher, coach or involved in their education in some other way.
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About the only way an adult signing a yearbook wouldn't be weird is if they were a teacher, coach or involved in their education in some other way.
And pretty surely they wouldn't sign it with "Love."
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... or involved ... in some other way.
That would do.
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That would do.
Nope, not if you cut out the education bit. Its weird for an adult to sign a kids yearbook if they aren't involved in that kids education. Not necessarily pervy weird but certainly weird. Would a kid have a parent sign their yearbook, hard to imagine. A boss at their after school job, still weird. A customer at the after school job, even weirder.

Seriously, find a situation in which an adult signing a child's yearbook isn't weird if that adult was't a teacher, coach or other adult associated with the child's educations.


Side note, do other cultures have school yearbooks? A book with pictures of the of everyone in school and various pictures of clubs and events that happened that year?
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Side note, do other cultures have school yearbooks? A book with pictures of the of everyone in school and various pictures of clubs and events that happened that year?
Not that I know. Why would one have their own teen years hard-copied?

Besides, what does a high school diploma mean nowadays? "probably not illiterate"?
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