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Old 12th November 2017, 04:57 PM   #1
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White Nationalists March in Poland

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Tens of thousands of nationalist demonstrators marched through Warsaw at the weekend to mark Poland’s independence day, throwing red-smoke bombs and carrying banners with slogans such as “white Europe of brotherly nations”.
I'm shocked at the scale of this: 60,000 people. Things are getting really ugly in Europe.
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Old 12th November 2017, 10:17 PM   #2
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Yes, Trump is an inspiration for some Europeans.
New perspectives for Poand thanks to Trump (article in German)
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The States could ship over some antfa. They're getting bored lately.
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Old 13th November 2017, 12:35 PM   #4
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The States could ship over some antfa. They're getting bored lately.
Russia will handle it like they did in the Ukraine.
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Old 13th November 2017, 02:05 PM   #5
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The States could ship over some antfa. They're getting bored lately.
M'kay with me - especially if their ship(s) accidentally () sink somewhere mid-Atlantic.
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Old 13th November 2017, 02:14 PM   #6
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God, you think the Poles, more then most people, would know what this kind of crap leads to.....
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Old 13th November 2017, 02:29 PM   #7
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God, you think the Poles, more then most people, would know what this kind of crap leads to.....
They probably see what they suffered under Nazism and subsequently communism as hardships imposed by "foreigners", which feeds the nationalist fascist ideals.

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Old 13th November 2017, 02:39 PM   #8
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They probably see what they suffered under Nazism and subsequently communism as hardships imposed by "foreigners", which feeds the nationalist fascist ideals.
Oddly, enough, they seem to have forgotten that both the Germans and Russians are "white" (quotations used because the Nazis didn't consider the Poles to be really "white", but just Slavs).
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Originally Posted by Madalch View Post
Oddly, enough, they seem to have forgotten that both the Germans and Russians are "white" (quotations used because the Nazis didn't consider the Poles to be really "white", but just Slavs).
Reminds me of this comic.
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Old 14th November 2017, 06:21 AM   #10
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that makes no sense, who considers Slavs white? Next people will claim Italians are white.
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Old 14th November 2017, 11:43 AM   #11
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Personally, I feel they should have gotten the same greeting as those of a similar mindset received between 1941 and 1945...

I suggest starting with a 21 Katyusha salute. Then, to show how "happy" we are to have them in town, I suggest a flyover with Lancasters dropping "gifts" on the gathered crowd. After all of that, a welcoming committee of T34s, Shermans, and Churchills should be sent to greet the survivors participants...*

* The only problem with my greeting is there may not much left of the area by the time I was done...

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Old 18th November 2017, 10:33 AM   #12
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Not really savvy about Polish politics. Are these guys pushing to leave the EU altogether?
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Old 19th November 2017, 02:35 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by Thermal View Post
The States could ship over some antfa. They're getting bored lately.
No need. We have our own groups under that banner. (At least here in Czech Republic, often clashing with neo-Nazis and co)

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that makes no sense, who considers Slavs white? Next people will claim Italians are white.
This makes no sense. Might be intentional...
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Old 19th November 2017, 05:57 PM   #14
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Originally Posted by portlandatheist View Post
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I'm shocked at the scale of this: 60,000 people. Things are getting really ugly in Europe.
But they aren't local. All the fringe parties in Europe do this but they have to bus them I. From great distances. There almost certainly weren't 60,000 white nationalists living where they marched.
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SHORT REPORT FROM WARSZAWA 11/11

The Antifascist coalition in Warszaw gathered over 2 000 people in the counter demo against the annual extreme right march on the national liberation day. It was the biggest mobilisation in years, called by autonomous groups, communities, feminist, queer organizations and unions.

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This makes no sense. Might be intentional...
See real Nazis would consider the Slavs like the Pols to be untermensch. They are not part of the true white aryan race.
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Old 20th November 2017, 06:46 AM   #17
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See real Nazis would consider the Slavs like the Pols to be untermensch. They are not part of the true white aryan race.
So what? Just because different national groups can have their differences doesn't mean they can't ally with each other over common goals, such as anti-communism or anti-immigration. It's what they did the last time, varying alliances and infighting between fascist states and local collaboration groups. Heck, the start of WW2 was infighting between two fascist states, Germany and Poland.
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Old 20th November 2017, 07:09 AM   #18
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They probably see what they suffered under Nazism and subsequently communism as hardships imposed by "foreigners", which feeds the nationalist fascist ideals.
No that isn't it. The resurgence of fascism in Poland post-dates the introduction of capitalism, so it's more likely that the thing feeding the nationalist fascist ideals is seeing what they suffer right now under capitalism as hardships imposed by "foreigners".
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See real Nazis would consider the Slavs like the Pols to be untermensch. They are not part of the true white aryan race.
I wasn't sure if you are just commenting on Nazi's view.
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I wasn't sure if you are just commenting on Nazi's view.
It was the irony of polish nazis that amused me.
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It was the irony of polish nazis that amused me.
That never cease to amaze and amuse here too. Bonus points for having nationalistic patry lead by half-Japanese...
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No that isn't it. The resurgence of fascism in Poland post-dates the introduction of capitalism, so it's more likely that the thing feeding the nationalist fascist ideals is seeing what they suffer right now under capitalism as hardships imposed by "foreigners".
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The march itself attracted a mix of radical right-wing politicians from Europe as well as Polish far-right activists. Fliers distributed promoting the march read in Polish, “Black Column on the Independence March for blood and nation, against Marxism and liberalism.” One of the first speakers was Roberto Fiore, leader of the openly fascist Italian political party Forza Nuova.

Anti-Muslim sentiment was prevalent throughout the event, with many banners depicting the star and crescent symbol with a red line through it. Other anti-Muslim banners read, “Islam = terror,” and another large banner depicted Islam and a refugee who had a bomb strapped to his stomach as Trojan horses.
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/...ence-day-march

I'll step out on a limb and suggest the anti-communist fliers and banners suggest it isn't capitalism they're upset with. Looks like a combination of Muslim immigration and anti-communism.

But hey, if you have evidence of your own, let's see it.
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It was the irony of polish nazis that amused me.
Except that there is no irony. Eastern European nazis have never seen themselves as untermenschen, that was the German nazis, and even then the situation's a tad more complicated than that. The irony is only there because your liberal-propagandist view of history requires you to reduce the political phenomenon of nazism to "members of the German NSDAP". But if you're so married to that particular view of history then I could easily tell you things that would Totally Blow Your MindTM such as that a lot of the grunt work for the Holocaust was done by...wait for it...Slavic Eastern European nazis.
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that makes no sense, who considers Slavs white? Next people will claim Italians are white.

And then who knows where it could go.

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https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/...ence-day-march

I'll step out on a limb and suggest the anti-communist fliers and banners suggest it isn't capitalism they're upset with. Looks like a combination of Muslim immigration and anti-communism.
Breaking News! Far-right groups spread leaflets espousing far-right political positions!

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But hey, if you have evidence of your own, let's see it.
You seriously want to argue that they adopt anti-communism because of their history under it? Fine, can you show us on the doll where Hitler and the rest of the NSDAP were hurt by those awful, evil communists? It was probably in their private parts, seeing as it was so traumatizing that they even ended up explicitly calling their alliance the Anti-Comintern.

Yet again we find your amusing anti-communism landing you straight into making silly excuses for nazis.
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Breaking News! Far-right groups spread leaflets espousing far-right political positions!
Nobody claimed it's surprising, only that it goes against your suggestion that it's anti-capitalism that motivates them.

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You seriously want to argue that they adopt anti-communism because of their history under it?
Their parents and grandparents do have first hand experience and they do have access to all of western Europe for contrast.

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, can you show us on the doll where Hitler and the rest of the NSDAP were hurt by those awful, evil communists? It was probably in their private parts, seeing as it was so traumatizing that they even ended up explicitly calling their alliance the Anti-Comintern.
Historically, wasn't it was the other way around? Russia lost some eleven million soldiers and God only knows how many civilians confronting the NSDAP? Furthermore, when they were able to put up a fight, it was largely aided by US lend/lease programs.

But that's a weird shift in topic. Your graphic and brutal imagery should be applied to the Polish oppression suffered under Soviet rule.

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Yet again we find your amusing anti-communism landing you straight into making silly excuses for nazis.
I'm not anti-communist, I'm against communism being applied by force. If you and a bunch of like minded people want to pool your resources and start a commune somewhere and practice communism together, that's wonderful. I wish you all the best. If it works out I may even join you.

It's when you want to steal someone else's stuff and force them to practice communism with you that I have a problem.



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Furthermore, when they were able to put up a fight, it was largely aided by US lend/lease programs.
That's a bit of a mythical exaggeration. Lend-lease was a big help in the later phases of the war, but Russia's own production always dwarfed Germany's. Already by the Battle of Moscow, the tide had turned against the Germans, who had massively underestimated the Russian morale, manpower reserves and the administrative capabilities of the Soviet government. They were absolutely shocked when well over a million men turned up as if from nowhere.

Barbarossa was never going to succeed - there was no way to destroy the Russian army and government without thinning the German front too much.
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That's a bit of a mythical exaggeration. Lend-lease was a big help in the later phases of the war, but Russia's own production always dwarfed Germany's. Already by the Battle of Moscow, the tide had turned against the Germans, who had massively underestimated the Russian morale, manpower reserves and the administrative capabilities of the Soviet government. They were absolutely shocked when well over a million men turned up as if from nowhere.

Barbarossa was never going to succeed - there was no way to destroy the Russian army and government without thinning the German front too much.
Possibly if they were say less brutal than Stalin. The germans were not exactly hated when they started to move in, but their ideology didn't exactly lend themselves to liberating the russian people
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Possibly if they were say less brutal than Stalin. The germans were not exactly hated when they started to move in, but their ideology didn't exactly lend themselves to liberating the russian people
The brutality was a logistical necessity to keep the army fed though.
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Nobody claimed it's surprising, only that it goes against your suggestion that it's anti-capitalism that motivates them.
Of course they're not motivated by anti-capitalism, they're motivated by interpreting the hardships they face now (under capitalism) as imposed by immigrants and leftists.

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But that's a weird shift in topic.
There is no shift in topic, you claimed that nazi anti-communism is a result of the oppression they faced under Soviet rule. A ridiculous position you've still failed to back up, so do show us where Hitler and the rest of the NSDAP were oppressed by those awful, evil communists. Were they oppressed by the Bavarian SSR or something?

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Your graphic and brutal imagery should be applied to the Polish oppression suffered under Soviet rule.


Commies took away, snif, their castles and, snif snif, their servants! And they weren't even allowed to go on pogroms against Jews and other minorities anymore, or send leftists to concentration camps, that's just so oppressive! Just imagine if, like, in the US people wouldn't be allowed to lynch ******* or imprison leftists anymore, it would be so oppressive!

But don't worry Mycroft, you can help.

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Possibly if they were say less brutal than Stalin. The germans were not exactly hated when they started to move in, but their ideology didn't exactly lend themselves to liberating the russian people
The Russian SSR would probably be the place the nazis were hated the most when they occupied it, in the sense of the least collaborators and the most partisans. Mostly true for the USSR in general as opposed to the rest of Europe, although the western part of the Ukrainian SSR did have high collaboration rates.

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The brutality was a logistical necessity to keep the army fed though.
They fed their army on Jews, communists, etc? I knew the Nazis were brutal, but I didn't know they were cannibals.
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