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Old 12th November 2017, 01:43 PM   #241
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I'd guess that the people who are *more* likely believe that the accusations are just demon-crats tyring to slander him, and if he scares the demon-crats into doing things like that, he must be worth standing up for.
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Old 12th November 2017, 01:46 PM   #242
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One can only hope that the vast majority of those that stated that it would increase their likelihood of voting for him did so because they are of the group that vehemently believes that it's all a lie and fake news created by the Democrats to smear him, because if they actually believed the allegations and thought that was a reason to vote for the gut, that'd be depressing.

Either way, I suspect that the 29% overall that said it would make them more likely to vote for him, probably supported him before the allegations, so overall it will have him him to so degree.
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Old 12th November 2017, 03:52 PM   #243
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One interviewee said even if it was true, he's long since been forgiven by the Lord for his sins, so he's good to go.
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Old 12th November 2017, 05:08 PM   #244
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I'd guess that the people who are *more* likely believe that the accusations are just demon-crats tyring to slander him, and if he scares the demon-crats into doing things like that, he must be worth standing up for.
More contradictions will continue to come out.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017...conduct-story/
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Old 12th November 2017, 05:52 PM   #245
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Nothing says "unbiased" like a nice and retarded britebart article
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Old 12th November 2017, 05:59 PM   #246
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One interviewee said even if it was true, he's long since been forgiven by the Lord for his sins, so he's good to go.
If so, **** the lord up the *******!!!
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Old 12th November 2017, 06:00 PM   #247
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Nothing says "unbiased" like a nice and retarded britebart article
Lol

Your post screams emotion not fact.

You obviously couldnít care less about the facts unless it comes from your sources. Thanks for proving my point!
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Old 12th November 2017, 06:05 PM   #248
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Britebart is certainly not remotely bright and it does stink like a huge and horrendous fart.

So, there's that!!!
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If Johnny Cochrane owned a news provider, would you quote it for insight on whether OJ was guilty?
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If Johnny Cochrane owned a news provider, would you quote it for insight on whether OJ was guilty?
If Johnny Cochran interviewed one of the people involved, I would gain insight reading it. Unless one wasn’t interested in facts.
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Would you quote Bill Clinton on whether Hillary was guilty of criminal behavior?

Would you find it believable from someone else quoting Bill Clinton?
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Old 12th November 2017, 07:12 PM   #252
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I actually could buy into the idea that things which happened 38 years ago, even very bad things, might not necessarily disqualify you from holding office. For example, a few pols tried to make hay out of GWB's drunk driving conviction. I thought that was pretty stupid. Old news. Not worth caring about.

What makes this different, in my mind, is that his whole candidacy is based on his being a righteous dude who is going to root out the perverts among us, but it turns out that he is, or maybe just was, an unrepentant pervert. It's the hypocrisy that is truly damning in my mind.

To be honest, it's very difficult for me to judge this particular case on anything other than the lying and hypocrisy part. So, he is alleged to have done some really bad stuff with a 14 year old. On the other hand, that was a very long time ago and, more importantly, just an allegation. There is so much mudslinging these days that I don't want to give credence to it without solid proof.

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Old 12th November 2017, 07:31 PM   #253
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GWB faced his habits with alcohol, did something about them, and is rather upfront about it. That's why it should and does get forgiven politically. He owned up to his "sins".

Moore doesn't. He adds insult to the injury by denying and lying about his past (?) Poorness of judgement (to put it softly).
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I actually could buy into the idea that things which happened 38 years ago, even very bad things, might not necessarily disqualify you from holding office. For example, a few pols tried to make hay out of GWB's drunk driving conviction. I thought that was pretty stupid. Old news. Not worth caring about.

What makes this different, in my mind, is that his whole candidacy is based on his being a righteous dude who is going to root out the perverts among us, but it turns out that he is, or maybe just was, an unrepentant pervert. It's the hypocrisy that is truly damning in my mind.

To be honest, it's very difficult for me to judge this particular case on anything other than the lying and hypocrisy part. So, he is alleged to have done some really bad stuff with a 14 year old. On the other hand, that was a very long time ago and, more importantly, just an allegation. There is so much mudslinging these days that I don't want to give credence to it without solid proof.
Its fascinating to me how non believers think Christians are supposed to be perfect. Did any of you ever think that people with a past, some with very bad pasts have had their lives renewed through faith in Christ, Moore is no different. That is why normal God loving people understand him.
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Would you quote Bill Clinton on whether Hillary was guilty of criminal behavior?

Would you find it believable from someone else quoting Bill Clinton?
I would quote Bill Clinton on what he said about Hillary. This is really not that difficult to understand, that is, if youíre not desperate to avoid facts.
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GWB faced his habits with alcohol, did something about them, and is rather upfront about it. That's why it should and does get forgiven politically. He owned up to his "sins".

Moore doesn't. He adds insult to the injury by denying and lying about his past (?) Poorness of judgement (to put it softly).
Lol ridiculous. He should just accept the fact heís guilty even though he isnít.

Once again, the facts be damned, on a skeptics forum!

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Its fascinating to me how non believers think Christians are supposed to be perfect. Did any of you ever think that people with a past, some with very bad pasts have had their lives renewed through faith in Christ, Moore is no different. That is why normal God loving people understand him.
That would involve repentance, surely, and not denial.

You can't believe that he did bad things previously, has been forgiven by God and hence his denial of doing bad things is just peachy.
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Its fascinating to me how non believers think Christians are supposed to be perfect. Did any of you ever think that people with a past, some with very bad pasts have had their lives renewed through faith in Christ, Moore is no different. That is why normal God loving people understand him.
That's adorable.

Not one single non believer thinks Christians are supposed to be perfect. Not one. As usual you've stated the exact opposite of reality. Christians think everyone needs to be perfect but don't bother asking the same of themselves.
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Lol ridiculous. He should just accept the fact heís guilty even though he isnít.

Once again, the facts be damned, on a skeptics forum!
Can you please spell out the facts that you are thinking about here?
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That would involve repentance, surely, and not denial.

You can't believe that he did bad things previously, has been forgiven by God and hence his denial of doing bad things is just peachy.
Lol
Of course Iím not talked no about these allegations, Iíve made quite clear I donít believe them. So repentance isnít necessary for something that wasnít done.
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That's adorable.

Not one single non believer thinks Christians are supposed to be perfect. Not one. As usual you've stated the exact opposite of reality. Christians think everyone needs to be perfect but don't bother asking the same of themselves.
if you think that then you are completely ignorant of the religion.
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Far be it from me to say anything nice about Alabama Fundies, but this is a disconnect so strong that I think there's something more to it than the answer implies.

"Given the allegations" is loaded if you're a right winger or Roy Moore follower. A certain type of bible-thumping right winger is probably more likely to believe these are made-up charges by the Godless Left trying to take down a man who's done everything in his power to give Our Lord a seat at the table, on the jury, in the DA's office and in the jury box.

I think many of those rockhard fundies and diehard conservatives believe the "Fake News" mantra to the extent that they may have answered "more likely" because they are sure their darling Roy is being persecuted. NOT necessarily because they favor molesting post-pubescent teens.
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Far be it from me to say anything nice about Alabama Fundies, but this is a disconnect so strong that I think there's something more to it than the answer implies.

"Given the allegations" is loaded if you're a right winger or Roy Moore follower. A certain type of bible-thumping right winger is probably more likely to believe these are made-up charges by the Godless Left trying to take down a man who's done everything in his power to give Our Lord a seat at the table, on the jury, in the DA's office and in the jury box.

I think many of those rockhard fundies and diehard conservatives believe the "Fake News" mantra to the extent that they may have answered "more likely" because they are sure their darling Roy is being persecuted. NOT necessarily because they favor molesting post-pubescent teens.
Lol
Or it simply might be they think these allegations are lies, oh my!
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
Far be it from me to say anything nice about Alabama Fundies, but this is a disconnect so strong that I think there's something more to it than the answer implies.

"Given the allegations" is loaded if you're a right winger or Roy Moore follower. A certain type of bible-thumping right winger is probably more likely to believe these are made-up charges by the Godless Left trying to take down a man who's done everything in his power to give Our Lord a seat at the table, on the jury, in the DA's office and in the jury box.

I think many of those rockhard fundies and diehard conservatives believe the "Fake News" mantra to the extent that they may have answered "more likely" because they are sure their darling Roy is being persecuted. NOT necessarily because they favor molesting post-pubescent teens.

That doesn't explain the ones who cheerfully admit that they would rather see a Republican child molester in office than any Democrat.
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Lol ridiculous. He should just accept the fact heís guilty even though he isnít.

Once again, the facts be damned, on a skeptics forum!
Can you please spell out the facts that you are thinking about here?
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I actually could buy into the idea that things which happened 38 years ago, even very bad things, might not necessarily disqualify you from holding office. For example, a few pols tried to make hay out of GWB's drunk driving conviction. I thought that was pretty stupid. Old news. Not worth caring about.

What makes this different, in my mind, is that his whole candidacy is based on his being a righteous dude who is going to root out the perverts among us, but it turns out that he is, or maybe just was, an unrepentant pervert. It's the hypocrisy that is truly damning in my mind.

To be honest, it's very difficult for me to judge this particular case on anything other than the lying and hypocrisy part. So, he is alleged to have done some really bad stuff with a 14 year old. On the other hand, that was a very long time ago and, more importantly, just an allegation. There is so much mudslinging these days that I don't want to give credence to it without solid proof.
It was along time ago until Moore added a new offense calling his victim a liar instead of apologizing. So much for the Ten Commandments, Thou shalt not bear false witness.
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Lol ridiculous. He should just accept the fact heís guilty even though he isnít.

Once again, the facts be damned, on a skeptics forum!
30 or 40 witnesses, a well researched story and all you have is Moore's denial yet you assert definitively Moore is not guilty?

Who's ridiculous here?
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30 or 40 witnesses, a well researched story and all you have is Moore's denial yet you assert definitively Moore is not guilty?

Who's ridiculous here?
30 or 40? Lol which is it?

I didnít say he is not guilty, I said I didnít believe he was. Some of the few things that have been revealed call into question the story these women are telling.
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It was along time ago until Moore added a new offense calling his victim a liar instead of apologizing. So much for the Ten Commandments, Thou shalt not bear false witness.
Lol

You seriously donít understand that a person usually doesnít apologise for something they didnít do?
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Can you please spell out the facts that you are thinking about here?
Iíd rather see you figure it out for yourself, itíll be more fun that way.
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Iíd rather see you figure it out for yourself, itíll be more fun that way.
Logger has nothing.
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if you think that then you are completely ignorant of the religion.
Believe me, my christian bonefides are just fine.

I even manage to remain more moral than they are despite my no longer believing. Strange, that.
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Lol
Or it simply might be they think these allegations are lies, oh my!
That's the same thing I said, oh my! (Kneejerk reaction: Uh oh, it's Foolmewunz. Better disagree with him. LOL Paleos!)
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Its fascinating to me how non believers think Christians are supposed to be perfect. Did any of you ever think that people with a past, some with very bad pasts have had their lives renewed through faith in Christ, Moore is no different. That is why normal God loving people understand him.
So, do they let him spend alone time with their daughters (or sons).
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Lol
Of course Iím not talked no about these allegations, Iíve made quite clear I donít believe them. So repentance isnít necessary for something that wasnít done.
Fooled again I see!!!!!
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One can only hope that the vast majority of those that stated that it would increase their likelihood of voting for him did so because they are of the group that vehemently believes that it's all a lie and fake news created by the Democrats to smear him, because if they actually believed the allegations and thought that was a reason to vote for the gut, that'd be depressing.

Either way, I suspect that the 29% overall that said it would make them more likely to vote for him, probably supported him before the allegations, so overall it will have him him to so degree.
Well there's this trend:

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Logger has nothing.
Less actually!
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It's cute how logger can't make up his mind between "the allegations are lies" and "he's been forgiven by God."
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Its fascinating to me how non believers think Christians are supposed to be perfect. Did any of you ever think that people with a past, some with very bad pasts have had their lives renewed through faith in Christ, Moore is no different. That is why normal God loving people understand him.
Sorry, Moore is quite different.

He isn't disavowing his past, when he pursued girls which would be described by the phrase "barely legal". He is saying he is not sure it ever happened, that he can't remember whether he ever did such a thing, but he is certain that he had their parents' permission.

He is lying, today, long after his renewal through Jesus Christ.....unless, just maybe, he hasn't really renewed his life through Jesus Christ. Maybe he just got old and stopped chasing skirts, especially those he met in Civics class.
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So, do they let him spend alone time with their daughters (or sons).
Well since he has five sons and one daughter Iím sure they do.
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