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12th November 2017, 04:57 PM | #1 |
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White Nationalists March in Poland
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12th November 2017, 10:17 PM | #2 |
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Yes, Trump is an inspiration for some Europeans.
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13th November 2017, 12:35 PM | #4 |
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13th November 2017, 02:14 PM | #6 |
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God, you think the Poles, more then most people, would know what this kind of crap leads to.....
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13th November 2017, 02:29 PM | #7 |
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13th November 2017, 03:47 PM | #9 |
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14th November 2017, 06:21 AM | #10 |
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14th November 2017, 11:43 AM | #11 |
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Personally, I feel they should have gotten the same greeting as those of a similar mindset received between 1941 and 1945...
I suggest starting with a 21 Katyusha salute. Then, to show how "happy" we are to have them in town, I suggest a flyover with Lancasters dropping "gifts" on the gathered crowd. After all of that, a welcoming committee of T34s, Shermans, and Churchills should be sent to greet the * The only problem with my greeting is there may not much left of the area by the time I was done... |
18th November 2017, 10:33 AM | #12 |
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Not really savvy about Polish politics. Are these guys pushing to leave the EU altogether?
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19th November 2017, 02:35 PM | #13 |
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19th November 2017, 05:57 PM | #14 |
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20th November 2017, 06:46 AM | #17 |
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So what? Just because different national groups can have their differences doesn't mean they can't ally with each other over common goals, such as anti-communism or anti-immigration. It's what they did the last time, varying alliances and infighting between fascist states and local collaboration groups. Heck, the start of WW2 was infighting between two fascist states, Germany and Poland.
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20th November 2017, 01:08 PM | #22 |
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I'll step out on a limb and suggest the anti-communist fliers and banners suggest it isn't capitalism they're upset with. Looks like a combination of Muslim immigration and anti-communism. But hey, if you have evidence of your own, let's see it. |
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21st November 2017, 04:58 AM | #23 |
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Except that there is no irony. Eastern European nazis have never seen themselves as untermenschen, that was the German nazis, and even then the situation's a tad more complicated than that. The irony is only there because your liberal-propagandist view of history requires you to reduce the political phenomenon of nazism to "members of the German NSDAP". But if you're so married to that particular view of history then I could easily tell you things that would Totally Blow Your MindTM such as that a lot of the grunt work for the Holocaust was done by...wait for it...Slavic Eastern European nazis.
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Breaking News! Far-right groups spread leaflets espousing far-right political positions!
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21st November 2017, 10:07 AM | #26 |
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Nobody claimed it's surprising, only that it goes against your suggestion that it's anti-capitalism that motivates them.
Their parents and grandparents do have first hand experience and they do have access to all of western Europe for contrast. Historically, wasn't it was the other way around? Russia lost some eleven million soldiers and God only knows how many civilians confronting the NSDAP? Furthermore, when they were able to put up a fight, it was largely aided by US lend/lease programs. But that's a weird shift in topic. Your graphic and brutal imagery should be applied to the Polish oppression suffered under Soviet rule. I'm not anti-communist, I'm against communism being applied by force. If you and a bunch of like minded people want to pool your resources and start a commune somewhere and practice communism together, that's wonderful. I wish you all the best. If it works out I may even join you. It's when you want to steal someone else's stuff and force them to practice communism with you that I have a problem. Sent from my LG-LS997 using Tapatalk |
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That's a bit of a mythical exaggeration. Lend-lease was a big help in the later phases of the war, but Russia's own production always dwarfed Germany's. Already by the Battle of Moscow, the tide had turned against the Germans, who had massively underestimated the Russian morale, manpower reserves and the administrative capabilities of the Soviet government. They were absolutely shocked when well over a million men turned up as if from nowhere.
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Of course they're not motivated by anti-capitalism, they're motivated by interpreting the hardships they face now (under capitalism) as imposed by immigrants and leftists.
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Commies took away, snif, their castles and, snif snif, their servants! And they weren't even allowed to go on pogroms against Jews and other minorities anymore, or send leftists to concentration camps, that's just so oppressive! Just imagine if, like, in the US people wouldn't be allowed to lynch ******* or imprison leftists anymore, it would be so oppressive! But don't worry Mycroft, you can help.
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The Russian SSR would probably be the place the nazis were hated the most when they occupied it, in the sense of the least collaborators and the most partisans. Mostly true for the USSR in general as opposed to the rest of Europe, although the western part of the Ukrainian SSR did have high collaboration rates.
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22nd November 2017, 01:40 PM | #34 |
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How White Nationally were these White Nationalists?
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From the videos they looked an unimpressive lot. I suspect some of them may have been merely White Locally. Perhaps even just White Around the House. In all seriousness, though, some of the BBC coverage indicated that not all of the participants were there to promote racism or xenophobia. A large but impossible to quantify number seem to have been just normal Polish patriots celebrating the holiday.
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Ah! I missed the videos.
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Oh, absolutely. My European contacts skew heavily western Europe so I don't know anywhere near as much about the eastern nations, but there definitely seem to be loads of folks with concerns about cultural integration, economic issues and crime concerns who aren't at all what I'd recognize as bigots in the white supremacist sense. Not all that different from what I see in immigration debates here in the US, really.
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22nd November 2017, 06:49 PM | #38 |
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Arguing about WWII is off topic, I only wanted to remind Caveman1917, who wants to claim communism beats fascism as though it's a rock/paper/scissors truism, that the reality is the communists took a hard beating at the hands of the Nazis.
Yes, Russia's production dwarfed Germany's, as it should have. Russia had more than double the population and the access to resources, yet when Germany invaded they went deep and slaughtered Russians by the millions even while fighting another war on its other front. Yes, the Russians repelled them eventually, but at a staggering cost in humans lives. |
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22nd November 2017, 07:20 PM | #39 |
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And you know better and want to correct them, telling them all their problems are caused by capitalism and communism is their solution.
Do you think they don't notice that Western Europe is so much nicer and more prosperous than Eastern Europe? No, I did not claim that. I suppose suggesting you go back and read it again would be too hard for you? You seem to be referencing a discussion that doesn't involve me? If I'm understanding your meme correctly, the decades long oppression of Poland can be mocked because at least one of the victims was wealthy, and wealthy people are to be dehumanized, along with all the non-wealthy people who suffered too? I am quite admiring of socialists who implement socialism without violence, coersion, or stealing. The other kind are bitter, angry people who are quite prone to killing people in large numbers. The former generally take extreme measures to avoid killing people. |
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