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Tags "A Wilderness of Error" , "Fatal Vision" , errol morris , Jeffrey MacDonald , Joe MacGinniss , murder cases

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Old 18th September 2017, 04:36 AM   #3121
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There was no mistrial nor was there an "unfair trial". The 4th Circuit Court and the US Supreme Court have heard/reviewed this case more than any other murder case in history.

Just because you don't like the facts doesn't mean that if you post petty, immature, irrelevant, ignorant, vitriolic, racist, pathetic, unsubstantiated nonsense anything will change. THE FACTS are that inmate slaughtered his family and he was convicted.

FACT FACT FACT
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Old 18th September 2017, 03:16 PM   #3122
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Facts Trump Ignorance

"It's no good being a dour Irishman, or some pretty useless district visitor woman about all this. You might just as well be some kind of commercial property agent, or some establishment rock star."

Doesn't this warrant an immediate AutoModAction?

CLAIM: Errol Morris has written that mistakes were made in the MacDonald case, and serious ones. That's right judgement.

RESPONSE: Morris can write about a unicorn residing in his backyard, but he will not be given any slack for making erroneous assertions in his dumpster fire book.

"The whole problem in the MacDonald case from the start is that it was a mistrial by the biased criminal trial judge Dupree. He was in charge of the MacDonald appeals with his biased colleague 'in bed with the prosecution' Judge Fox, and their colleagues in the 4th Circuit judges and the Supreme Court. MacDonald should have had an impartial judge. It's ludicrous and scandalous and unreported, and not investigated by the mainstream media. There should be government by the rule of law. It's Nazi justice. It's no good also for that stupid cop author Wambaugh saying MacDonald is a sociopath. Psychiatrists disagree with him about that. How would Wambaugh like it if he was charged with murder by the CID and FBI and his appeals were conducted by Judge Dupree? I suppose he would say he could afford expensive counsel."

I have no words.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com
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Old 19th September 2017, 03:26 AM   #3123
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Originally Posted by byn63 View Post
There was no mistrial nor was there an "unfair trial". The 4th Circuit Court and the US Supreme Court have heard/reviewed this case more than any other murder case in history.

Just because you don't like the facts doesn't mean that if you post petty, immature, irrelevant, ignorant, vitriolic, racist, pathetic, unsubstantiated nonsense anything will change. THE FACTS are that inmate slaughtered his family and he was convicted.

FACT FACT FACT
It's sheer ignorance of the facts.
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Old 19th September 2017, 03:54 AM   #3124
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
It's sheer ignorance of the facts.

Yes indeed henri every single post you make is in sheer ignorance of the FACTS.

FACT: every single SOURCED piece of evidence points to inmate as the sole criminal actor in these murders.
FACT: the mystery hair E-6 that the DEFENSE always admitted had to come from the murderer was a 100% DNA match to inmate.
FACT: inmate's pj fibers were found on the murder club
FACT: fibers from inmate's pjs were found IN Kimmie's bed despite the fact that he claimed he was not wearing it when he "checked" on his kids.
FACT: fibers were found in the bedrooms but NONE in the living room where inmate claimed he used the top as a shield.
FACT: splinters from the club were found in the bedrooms but none in the living room.
FACT: the weapons came from the home.
FACT: inmate claimed to have attempted to resuscitate his family yet Kimmie and Kristy were IN THEIR BEDS one completely covered and one partially.
FACT: even a person with only a very basic knowledge of First Aid KNOWS that you do not attempt CPR with a person on a soft surface.
FACT: the rubber gloves matched in chemical composition to the ones inmate had in his cabinet and intruders would not have gone looking for gloves.
FACT: inmate is a narcissistic sociopathic bastard that slaughtered his family.
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Old 19th September 2017, 03:56 AM   #3125
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Originally Posted by JTF;11999307RESPONSE: Morris can write about a unicorn residing in his backyard, but he will not be given any slack for making erroneous assertions in his dumpster fire book.

I have no words.

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There is a fair and just review of the Errol Morris Wilderness of Errors book about the MacDonald case on the internet by Merry Sheils, February 12, 2013 in Reading Around. This is part of it:

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Did Jeffrey MacDonald do it?* The only one who knows for sure is he.* But Morris meets the standard of proof that MacDonald didn’t get a fair trial. A seven-day hearing was held in September 2012 to weigh new evidence in the case and to determine if it warrants a new trial.* As we go to press, the decision remains with the judge, and his decision will be forthcoming sometime in 2013.* We hope his decision is fair.
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Old 19th September 2017, 04:29 AM   #3126
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Henri, who cares about a literary review? It is not the standard of proof that the convict received a fair trial - the standard of proof is a legal one and the many appeals that he has LOST clearly indicate that MacDonald is right where he belongs.
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Old 19th September 2017, 08:47 AM   #3127
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Originally Posted by byn63 View Post
Yes indeed henri every single post you make is in sheer ignorance of the FACTS.

FACT: every single SOURCED piece of evidence points to inmate as the sole criminal actor in these murders.
FACT: the mystery hair E-6 that the DEFENSE always admitted had to come from the murderer was a 100% DNA match to inmate.
FACT: inmate's pj fibers were found on the murder club
FACT: fibers from inmate's pjs were found IN Kimmie's bed despite the fact that he claimed he was not wearing it when he "checked" on his kids.
FACT: fibers were found in the bedrooms but NONE in the living room where inmate claimed he used the top as a shield.
FACT: splinters from the club were found in the bedrooms but none in the living room.
FACT: the weapons came from the home.
FACT: inmate claimed to have attempted to resuscitate his family yet Kimmie and Kristy were IN THEIR BEDS one completely covered and one partially.
FACT: even a person with only a very basic knowledge of First Aid KNOWS that you do not attempt CPR with a person on a soft surface.
FACT: the rubber gloves matched in chemical composition to the ones inmate had in his cabinet and intruders would not have gone looking for gloves.
FACT: inmate is a narcissistic sociopathic bastard that slaughtered his family.
That mystery hair E-6 was unidentified until 2006, even when DNA could have identified it many years earlier. Malone of the FBI substituted that hair for the DNA testing at the AFIP lab for a MacDonald hair. Malone has been under investigation by the Justice Department for his false evidence in numerous murder trials in the past. One criminal defense lawyer has described Malone as a total liar. He has immunity from criticism and immunity from prosecution.

Fred Bost has said publicly that pajama fibers were not found on the murder club.

Pajama fibers could have been found in Kimmie's bed from the pajama pants which were incompetently lost when he was taken to hospital.

Pajama fibers may not have been found in the living room, and there are doubts about that, but there definitely were pajama fibers found at the spot where he said he fell unconscious. I could quote you from the Article 32 proceedings in 1970 about that.

Splinters just being in the bedrooms proves nothing. Macdonald might have been hit by Dwight Smith with a baseball bat.

There is no evidence at all that the knives or ice pick came from the MacDonald home apart from perjury at trial by Colette's mother and the babysitter, Kalin as then was.

The bodies could have been staged by Mitchell and Mazerolle, and even by Stoeckley.

MacDonald was a brilliant emergency room doctor and he knew what he was doing in that situation with CPR, unlike byn.

The intruders could have been wearing surgical gloves. One expert at trial testified that the surgical glove fragment found at the crime scene did not match any MacDonald surgical gloves.

Several psychiatrists and psychologists, including the forensic psychiatrist Dr. Sadoff, were fairly certain MacDonald didn't do it but Dupree didn't allow the jury to hear their testimony because he didn't want a battle of the experts! That's biased.

That's not including the numerous confessions by Stoeckley and Mitchell which were rejected and ignored by Judge Dupree while Mazerolle is prospering in New Jersey after going on the run for a year. Judge Dupree and Judge Fox and the 4th Circuit and Supreme Court and Joe McGinniss were clearly erroneous.
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Old Yesterday, 05:30 AM   #3128
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
That mystery hair E-6 was unidentified until 2006, even when DNA could have identified it many years earlier.
DNA testing did not exist at the time of the trial. E-6 could not be identified Pre-DNA because it is the distal or tip portion of a limb hair. Only head and pubic hair have enough distinguishing characteristics to be microscopically compared.

That DNA testing was not done prior to the time it was, is on INMATE. HE had to file an appeal to request DNA testing be done. Once he did file, the testing was granted. The delay in DNA results are partially due to 9/11 since the lab that inmate etal selected was the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology which is the lab that had primary responsibility for identifying remains from that horrific event. The REST of the delays in DNA testing can be blamed solely on inmate. HE filed actions that stopped work several times.....one of which was because a microscopist at AFIP had done a paper on inmate's guilt in school.

Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
Malone of the FBI substituted that hair for the DNA testing at the AFIP lab for a MacDonald hair.
OMG now you have gone way beyond the ridiculous and ignorant to just plain STUPID.

HOW exactly did Malone get the distal portion of a limb hair from inmate and substitute it with the hair in the evidence? HOW after he got this hair, without inmate knowing about it did he get dried blood on it? HOW did he get the hair to exactly match the description in the evidence log?

Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
Fred Bost has said publicly that pajama fibers were not found on the murder club.
Too bad what Bost said, just like his ridiculous inaccurate book Fatal Joke HE WAS WRONG. PJ fibers were found on the club, removed and placed in a pill bottle or vial. The chain of evidence shows this plainly.

You really enjoy making up crap! You get more ridiculous with each passing nonsensical assertion.

Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
Pajama fibers could have been found in Kimmie's bed from the pajama pants which were incompetently lost when he was taken to hospital.
the pj fibers were discarded at the hospital, that is sadly true, but at the time it was not common practice to keep the clothing of "victims" and when he arrived at the hospital they still thought he was.....

however, thanks to this case (and others) it would now be SOP to bag and tag the clothing AND to photograph the injuries or lack thereof....

Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
Pajama fibers may not have been found in the living room, and there are doubts about that,
no pj fibers found in the living room - NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT AT ALL.

Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
I could quote you from the Article 32 proceedings in 1970 about that.
You need to stop using the Article 32 as your end all be all source on forensic evidence. MOST of the evidence had yet to be analyzed at the time of the Article 32. Try using the FINAL SOURCE which would be the TRAIL TRANSCRIPTS and APPEALS transcripts for the FACTS in re: forensic evidence.

Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
The bodies could have been staged by Mitchell and Mazerolle, and even by Stoeckley.
First of all, drugged-out hippies on a killing rampage would have left the bodies where the fell. They WOULD NOT have moved them from room to room.

Second Mazerolle was in jail the night of the murders WHICH HAS BEEN PROVEN BEYOND ALL DOUBT. Your continual comments to the contrary is beyond ignorant.

Third, Helena and Greg Mitchell were not there either.

Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
....was a brilliant emergency room doctor and he knew what he was doing in that situation with CPR, unlike byn.
inmate certainly claimed to be a brilliant emergency room doctor. WHICH IS WHY I SAY I CALL ******** on his claims to have attempted resuscitation on his children. NO WAY IN HELL A DOCTOR WOULD ATTEMPT CPR ON A BED.

For external cardiac compression to be effective, the victim must be on a firm surface, such as the ground, the floor, or a spine board on a wheeled litter. If the victim is in bed, a board, preferable the full width of the bed, should be placed under his back. This is a quote from a manual on CPR, if "unknowing byn" who is by the way CPR certified, has a copy of the manual then a DOCTOR who had been to medical school would have been taught the same procedure.

As for the "biased" because Dupree chose not to have a battle of experts on psychiatric testimony....again I say Bull. The prosecution could have presented numerous experts to say inmate was the type to commit the murders. As the prosecution pointed out, if we prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he did it, we don't have to prove he was the type that could have.

Helena confessed and recanted and confessed and recanted. It is important to note that her confessions didn't match the evidence nor did they ever match inmates story. She wasn't there, she was a troubled drugged out girl with a penchant for telling tall tales. I don't believe Greg Mitchell ever said "I killed the MacDonald family" I do believe he said he did something terrible while in the Army. However, that is not the same thing and Greg could have been referring to something that happened in Vietnam.

henri, your claims were long ago disproven so why don't you stop twisting and turning things and making up bs out of whole cloth.....

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Old Yesterday, 08:25 AM   #3129
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Originally Posted by byn63 View Post
OMG now you have gone way beyond the ridiculous and ignorant to just plain STUPID.

HOW exactly did Malone get the distal portion of a limb hair from inmate and substitute it with the hair in the evidence? HOW after he got this hair, without inmate knowing about it did he get dried blood on it? HOW did he get the hair to exactly match the description in the evidence log?
It's what is known technically as making up evidence and forensic fraud by the FBI lab. Every kind of corruption and abuse becomes rife unless there is criticism.

There is some background to this at this website:

http://www.koelerlaw.net/2010/05/on-...macdonald-case

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Malone had been, as it turns out, a one-man conviction machine before being transferred out of forensics in 1997, a man whose testimony played a key role in securing convictions for Donald Gates and a number of other defendants. He lied about having done tests and research he never conducted.* He got on the stand and testified to scientific conclusions completely unsupported by the facts. He was the “go-to” guy for prosecutors.* When other analysts refused to testify for the government, citing contrary or inconsistent results, prosecutors knew they could go to Malone for the testimony they were seeking. Malone could always be counted on to testify to whatever they needed him to say.

Multiple prosecutors, both federal and state, called Michael Malone to the stand to testify for the government in numerous cases when they either knew or should have known that the testimony he was about to deliver was false. Multiple supervisors within Malone’s chain of command at the FBI refused to take corrective action when alerted to repeated instances of Malone’s perjury.* Malone was relieved of his forensic responsibilities in 1997 and retired in 1999, and while the government claims it is now investigating him and other analysts against whom similar accusations have been leveled, Malone has never, as far as I know, been disciplined or sued.* And, in many cases, Justice officials waited for years (13 years in the Donald Gates case) to notify defense counsel of the Malone abuses.
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That website I gave above does not link to this forum for some reason.

Murtagh cunningly got biased Judge Dupree to rule that the testimony at the Article 32 proceedings could not be presented to the court for the 1979 trial on the quite ludicrous grounds that it was ten years old. Army CID agent Shaw said then that no fibers were found in the living room, which I think was because the forensic investigation was botched. He did admit that pajama fibers were found in the hallway which corroborates MacDonald's story.

The matter was discussed with Shaw with MacDonald lawyer Eisman in 1970:

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Q If it were just wrapped around his arm in the living room, there would be, possibly, a small amount of fibers there, and when he ripped it off completely, breaking the seams, that the profusion of fibers would be found in the bedroom and that would be consistent with his story, would it not?
A No.
Q It wouldn't?
A No, because he states it was ripped in the living room. He started down the hallway and he wound up unconscious on the hall floor. There are no fibers in the living room -- we found none -- let's put it that way, and we searched very diligently for fibers in the living room or the couch and in the kitchen and dining room we found none. We did find one group of fibers, or threads, I am not sure which, at the entrance to the hallway, floor to the living room. We found a great many fibers all over the bedroom floor. I was asked before where most of them were found, but in fact they were found through the traveled area of this bedroom floor.
Q Captain MacDonald never said it got ripped; he said it somehow got entangled over his arm in the living room in the struggle and he staggered into the hallway and became unconscious, is that your recollection also of his story?
A Yes, sir.
Q And then he regained consciousness and went into the bedroom and then took off the top or freed his hands?
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First of all, drugged-out hippies on a killing rampage would have left the bodies where the fell. They WOULD NOT have moved them from room to room.

Second Mazerolle was in jail the night of the murders WHICH HAS BEEN PROVEN BEYOND ALL DOUBT. Your continual comments to the contrary is beyond ignorant.

Third, Helena and Greg Mitchell were not there either.

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I entirely disagree. MacDonald said he didn't move any bodies and Stombaugh of the FBI, who was a hair and fiber man, and not a fabric impression man never proved MacDonald did move any bodies, or anybody else moved bodies. The matter was hotly disputed in court.

Mazerolle was on the run after the MacDonald murders for about a year and there is no doubt about that. There is no record of him appearing in court until a year later.

Helena and Greg Mitchell made numerous confessions. That would be of interest to a homicide detective who wasn't some kind of social worker, or involved in drug smuggling.
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