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Old 10th May 2016, 12:05 PM   #1
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Heiwa challenge revisited...

Does anyone think that Mick's model here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvPO4-xWKqM

Would suffice to win the Heiwa challenge here?
http://heiwaco.tripod.com/chall1.htm#hc

Thoughts?
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Old 10th May 2016, 01:31 PM   #2
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Not quite. Heiwa requires that the top part has less than 1/9 the mass and height of the bottom part, and is structured equally. He also requires that maximum lateral deflection is no more than 1% of height.
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Old 10th May 2016, 02:36 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by Gamolon View Post
Does anyone think that Mick's model here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvPO4-xWKqM

Would suffice to win the Heiwa challenge here?
http://heiwaco.tripod.com/chall1.htm#hc

Thoughts?
Ah but what caused the column section to fall outside the footprint. Must have used mini thermite
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Old 10th May 2016, 09:30 PM   #4
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Wow, Anders Bjorkman is completely and totally nuts. His posting style is kind of like our good buddy Major_Tom.
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Old 10th May 2016, 09:44 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by MileHighMadness View Post
Wow, Anders Bjorkman is completely and totally nuts. His posting style is kind of like our good buddy Major_Tom.

I can't believe I got roped into reading that (or at least part of it).

How can anyone believe that structures can be scaled up or down and retain the same properties? Hell, even a piece of bread toasts completely differently than a bigger piece of bread.
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Old 10th May 2016, 09:54 PM   #6
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If it's anything like his bogus spaceflight "challenge", it's not merely deluded but flat-out fraudulent. He claimed he had a million euros for anyone who could prove Apollo landed on the Moon or something, but the prize was obviously nonexistent, he had no idea what he was talking about, and in any case he obviously would never admit the challenge was met.

In some cases, he simply ignored evidence he claimed didn't exist, even though people rubbed his nose in it. But other cases were more entertaining, such as his attempted energy balance calculations where he ignored the exhaust of a rocket because it was "no longer part of the system." This from a self-proclaimed engineer.

Like many crackpots, his ego is inversely proportional to his actual grasp of how things work.

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Old 10th May 2016, 10:05 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by Loss Leader View Post
I can't believe I got roped into reading that (or at least part of it).

How can anyone believe that structures can be scaled up or down and retain the same properties? Hell, even a piece of bread toasts completely differently than a bigger piece of bread.
I opened this silly thread because I wasn't sure what it was about. A heiwa is, I thought, a Hawaiian temple. Many years ago I honeymooned on Hawaii, and found those rather interesting. Oh dear, what's this then..... I watched about ten seconds of the videos and glanced at the Bjorking mad web page, but I was afraid I'd have to take my computer apart to clean the spittle from the back side of the screen.

Didn't Galileo have a thing or two to say about scaling? I thought the concept was moderately well understood by now. Granted, it's been over 50 years since I read his Dialogues, so maybe the rules have changed. Should I be watching the horizon for giant ants?
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Old 10th May 2016, 11:25 PM   #8
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Ah, Heiwa. I remember him well. His "challenge" boiled down to: I'll pay out to anyone who can make me admit I'm wrong about something I refuse to admit I'm wrong about. I presume he hasn't lost yet.

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Old 11th May 2016, 01:46 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by Gamolon View Post
Does anyone think that Mick's model here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvPO4-xWKqM

Would suffice to win the Heiwa challenge here?
http://heiwaco.tripod.com/chall1.htm#hc

Thoughts?
No.

Two sets of reasons:
1) The Heiwa challenge as too many "cop outs" locked to false understandings of mechanism;

BUT it says "You are requested to describe a structure ...."

Describe - not model. THEN

2) Mick's model only describes (by modelling) one aspect of a collapse with any fidelity.

And that one aspect has already been described more precisely. (The modelling is guided by persons who already know what they need to model - so they can already describe it or have understood descriptions given to them.)

And neither the model itself or the descriptive inputs are a full building collapse as required by Heiwa.

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