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25th February 2008, 05:36 PM | #81 |
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Looks like the one on top has a magazine, thus needs less reloading. Also, the muzzle shroud makes it less likely for a spree killer to burn his hands. The pistol grip makes it more comfortable for the spree killer to shoot. thaiboxerken |
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This is very much the same conclusion Jones came to when analyzing the Lee report. Again, STEEL MELTED during the WTC event. Can anyone explain why? And, wouldn't this support eyewitness accounts of flowing molten steel? No one has touched this yet. Much like the Lee report of melting iron. |
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Why don't you contact the man yourself if you have questions about his work? Wouldn't that be the smart thing for someone that wants to know the truth to do? |
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Looks like the one on top has a magazine, thus needs less reloading. Also, the muzzle shroud makes it less likely for a spree killer to burn his hands. The pistol grip makes it more comfortable for the spree killer to shoot. thaiboxerken |
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Lee report states STEEL MELTED!!!!
Link in OP reports STEEL MELTED!!!!!!! DEAL WITH IT!! |
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What did they have to say about it?
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Congratulations, you have identified an anomaly in the generally accepted account of 9-11. The fact that other experts before you have identified this as an anomaly worthy of investigation should not detract from your extraordinary achievement of being able to recognise this when you read the account in which the anomaly is described.
Now, how precisely does this anomaly cast any doubt whatsoever on the generally accepted understanding that the 9-11 attacks were carried out by radical Islamic terrorists, that the WTC 1 and 2 collapses were caused by impact and fire damage, that the WTC7 collapse was caused by debris and fire damage, and that after the collapse of all three buildings the debris experienced high temperatures for several weeks in a chemical environment that is subject to considerable uncertainty? You see, what you have found here is a minor interesting phenomenon. There is no sensible reason to believe it suggests 9-11 was an inside job. No reasonable mechanism has been suggested by which sulphidation of steel could result from the use of thermite as a demolition agent, for which there is in turn no reasonable mechanism suggested. In contrast, a perfectly reasonable mechanism has been suggested, although not yet proven, by which sulphidation could have occurred in the debris pile. This belongs in a chemistry forum, not a conspiracy theories forum. Dave |
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Just so I'm clear.
Red quotes an engineer and wants his quote debunked. JHarrow chimes in with basically, yeah, debunk it Sizzler enters another thread just asking questions. Turns out the engineer contributed to the NIST report. Turns out the engineer supports the NIST report. JHarrow, doing his best zensmack and LastChild impression starts his nonsensical one liners. Sizzler keeps asking questions Red disappears Seriously, why does this continue, isn't there a mercy rule, a 10 run rule, someone with a net to stop this? |
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He said that the pepople who did this haven't concluded it was a anything other than planes hitting a building. He didn't say what these people said was invalid because they didn't say it was an inside job. He used bad terminology simplified for people to understand easier. They also said
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Its like if you have a block of solid chocolate...and you heat it up. There is a point where it moved around easily and is plastic, but not a liquid yet... people would still say it had melted at that point... not that is was plastic. This is people allpying the wrong word in the wrong context, but everyone understanding what was meant. |
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The results can certainly be true, but it's how those results affect the big picture that really matter.
If this phenomenon did occur, what caused it, and how does that cause, if at all, alter any conclusions about the collapse of the towers? Of course, none of that interests CTers. You'd just rather yell "Melted steel!" and claim victory. Unfortunately for you, no one else sees it that way (most notable of all, the experts reporting these results), or is all that concerned with what you think (most notable of all, every single mainstream media outlet and law enforcement agency on the planet). |
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This thread is absolute proof that 9/11 "truthers" don't want the truth at all, but are only intrested in academic exercises in the art of debate.
Why continue to guess at what Dr. Astaneh-Asl's true conclusions are regarding the WTC? JUST ASK HIM! |
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The logical fallacy that anyone who isn't preaching an inside job must be in error is called the non sequitur, and is common among conspiracy theorists. The misrepresentation of results which give no proof of an inside job in order to give the impression that they do give such proof is called the strawman fallacy, and is also common among conspiracy theorists, particularly in this specific form.
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I know that I'm being unfair, and I understand how terribly inconvenient reality is for your fantasy, but there is that tiny matter of Osama bin Laden explaining his role in the attacks in several videos. If only those jihadists weren't so stubbornly proud of their victory, you conspiracy liars could make some headway. |
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Please provide evidence that the CIA are invovled with Al Quaeda. If you can't, then retract your claim, or be called, yet again, a liar.
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What timing! I was just wondering the same about this thread.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...&postcount=136 For a man who alledgedly seeks the truth, he sure doesn't follow through when experts email addys are presented to him on a molten steel plate... |
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You are right. They aren't preaching inside job, just the opposite.
However their conclusions support the fact that steel melted in the WTC event. Melting steel supports the claim of foil play made by others that are preaching inside job. It seems the tables have turned, and the official hypothesis is now starting to debunk itself. (cue beachnut to jump in on this) |
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Wrong again. There is only speculation that STEEL melted, and not some other alloy. Please direct me to the conclusive tests that were done that indicate that steel melted in its pure form.
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I'm late to the party...
Would I be incorrect in summarizing this thread as follows:
Again, I apologize if I've got that wrong. There's nothing to debunk. His position is dissenting but is also reasonable. It's not too far removed from other dissenting opinions from Purdue, Arup, and U Edinburgh, for instance. We know this (well, I know this) because I've actually read all those positions. I've also written about it and highlighted the differences. What's the problem here? |
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