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26th February 2008, 09:04 AM | #241 |
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I agree wholeheartedly. While I would be very interested in his take on just about everything related to the WTC collapse, professionally, I am still hesitant to email him as I might just be wasting his time in the end. Sizzler, however, since you have already contacted him, I would say that if you were to follow up with him and be completely honest and forthcoming, he might just respond to you again. I would not say that he will simply ignore you for being a conspiracy theorist - IF you are honest.
But then of course being honest would also mean that you were actually trying to learn the truth about something and not just looking to twist his words and his work in some way to fit whatever fantasy you've concocted, so perhaps not. |
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Why did Sizzler post that picture of the rubble?
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Extremely well said.
Much as the twoofers (including Sizzler, Heiwa, realcddeal, and others) and including those who cannot seem to get their minds around the concept of "system"--it took ALL of the events of 9/11 in combination AND SEQUENCE to reach the results of that day. No single event, no single process (including bizzare chemical proceses) could, without the combination, have led to the disaster the 19 murderous swine and their group achieved that day. No SINGLE failure in the towers led to their demise. Every part of the building was essential to its construction and continued health--Otherwise why was it there? (Architects should, at this point, hang their heads and scuff the dirt with a big toe...) |
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26th February 2008, 09:57 AM | #248 |
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Next thing you'll know truthers will be looking for typos in the NIST report to prove an inside job.
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If you bother to look at the painting, none of the clocks are molten anything. Just soft and pliable. So he saw girders that had become soft and pliable due to heat and pressure. Not became liquid. So, at what temperature does steel act as if it's soft and pliable when immense pressure is applied?
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Once again, what Dr. A has produced is not in question. I do not question that SOME steel was seen to have been made soft, perhaps even molten. Does this indicate high temps...yup. The issues are (1)what temp(s) does it indicate, and (2) could such temps have occurred within the rubble pile, or in the buildings prior to collapse.
If you cannot provide any proof that the temps needed to make the steel appear as it did were not possible prior to the collapse, or in the pile afterward, then there is no argument here. If Dr. A, or some other expert who worked on the investigation states that such temps were not possible, then perhaps an argument could be made... Do not forget (1) The temps in the rubble pile were seen to be extremely hot, and lasted for weeks, and (2) we know from reading Dr. Greening's work, and others, that certain chemical "circumstances" within the building material prior to collapse, could have provided the "soup" needed to make melting/softening of steel occur at temps much lower than those needed to do so in a isolated environment. TAM |
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Here's an example of a "Melted" column in WTC 5.
Go to figure 14-7 at http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/...tc/WTC_ch4.htm So, does the "Truth Movement" have an explanation for this? |
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As for a picture of "melted" steel, I seem to recall a few weeks back, one of the firemen on this forum posting a picture in another thread of a bent and "melted" steel "girder" draped over a charred wood beam.
Does anyone remember where that was posted at? |
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Oh, and about the sulfur.
Drywall, when incinerated produces SO2. SO2, can be further oxidized to form sulfuric acid, especially in the presence of NO2. |
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I posted one here:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...34#post3462334 But I'm not a fireman - and the pic itself I got from Gravy's website. (book quote provided / transcribed by me, however) |
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that photo kind of says it all doesn't it.
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Come on now... You know this is utter crap. Conspiracy theorists hooted and hollered that Silverstein had inadvertently admitted to having WTC7 demolished on 9/11. His statement was later clarified, but the conspiracy theorists didn't buy it. Conspiracy theorists demanded that video from the Citgo gas station and the Doubletree Hotel near the Pentagon be released, to put doubts to rest. They were released and conspiracy theorists continued to claim their drivel. I still see total smacktards demanding that the Citgo and Doubletree videos be released. :boggle:
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No. I am saying NIST has no physical evidence of high steel temperatures. Why did they only get 1% of the steel from the fire affected areas, and an even lower percentage of core columns? Most would put two and two together concerning these seeming contradictions and realize that the evidence of extraordinarily high temperatures, which was probably caused by something other than fire, had to be eliminated.
When one adds in the molten metal in the rubble it further validates this as a viable hypothesis, whether you want to accept it or not. Are you really so enamored of the official story that you can't see a manipulation had to occur? I think it is obvious here. |
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I get the distinct impression that you never read anything.
Just like the gaping holes in your knowledge of the NIST Report, this thread doesn't say what you think it does. Dr. Astaneh-Asl, professor of civil engineering at Cal, says there was steel that reached around 1100oC. He contributed to the NIST Report. And he's not "Enamoured" of the official story at all. Refuted. Try again. |
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No, the man has talked. He spoke, and told you that nothing he saw was indicative of any 'inside job' conspiracy theory. He said he didn't want to say anything specific for fear of being misrepresented - something that he knows has happened previously.
Don't pretend he doesn't want to talk, or any such nonsense. The man has spoken, and you didn't like his answer - deal with it. |
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and the man has spoken through HIS published PAPERS. One was the NIST report.
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Is your position, then, that:
1/ His observations disprove the "official theory," or at least weaken it; 2/ His observations are open to serious question; or 3/ Something else? I'd suggest that you have to take a position or there is nothing to discuss. Obviously you have a point to make. |
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