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8th January 2014, 07:55 PM | #81 |
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Actually, no. The wholes in all of the structures and the ground at Shanksville are the exact sizes and shapes they need to be to have been made by anything other than the hijacked aircraft. No explosive device known to military science can make those sorts of hole nor fireballs.
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The length of the gashes match approximately the length of an airliner wing. They were not strong enough to cut the full length. The wing tips are very fragile, usually.
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ok, I watched the video, well most of it. I skipped the bits about 911 truths crazy ideas because you dont have to convince me that they crazy ideas. Its funny how you try to gain for yourself some kind of credibility by admonishing the other completely crazy ideas. But you are yourself entrering the land of cookoo.
For example: - missing floors and furniture, really? I mean seriously? People did work in the building you know. It wasnt harry potter and the missing platform 9 and 3/4 - Removed bolts? Reeeeaaaallly?!!? - Sloped back wings should show a different impact site?! Nah, becuase of the kinetic energy involved the slight angle of the wing would make no difference to speak of. Look, its simples. ** There is video showing a plane hit, leaving the plane shaped hole. ** And - Your ideas require that the plane would have to have been flown exactly into a specific location in the towers where the floors and bolts that were removed. You were talking about specific locations where the bolts were removed. - Why bother removing the floors and bolts. Enough damage would have been caused anyway for the terrorists to achieve their goals. (and as we can see did more damage than they probably expected) Your ideas are as silly as the dustification or the complete video hoax, or the no planers. Its completely ridiculous. 0/10 for the film. Its a joke. |
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I've quoted your exact post and explained why it's wrong:
Where's the confusion? Your diagrams shows that you have got your understanding of force and motion being the opposite of what does occur. You repeat the mistake in the video. Confusion? Yes, but not by me. |
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You don't do reality. You do lies about 911.
Radar data proves it was a 767, you don't do reality. Your family told you it was fiction, you keep doing it. The dumbest part of your video, you debunk yourself showing Flight 11 impact the WTC. Radar backs the footage up. oops |
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I cant get videos. What`s it OF, anyway?
We all saw, live on tv, the jets crashing into the buildings. What`s the argument here, anyway? What`s the debate? What`s the alternative theory that rules out what we saw live on tv was not real? What was it?...doctored up live tv? Like we were all duped by a plot, and what we saw that day was computer generated? |
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What`s going on here?! You asked me a question, where in my original post is a quote FROM SOMEBODY ELSE, that says about `a 767 or reinforced jet`.
Are we talking about 2 different things or what? I couldnt even fathom why you asked me your question in the first place? What was there to question?????? I quoted somebody saying a 767 or reinforced jet. End of story. No more responses about this from me, as i dont know what you are driving at or think i`m driving at. Its a waste of my time. |
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Oh, I love the apparently unintentional irony of doing "science"-by-youtube, getting schooled in god knows how many different ways, then complaining that somebody else is "not really saying anything".
Yes, I and others are saying stuff - whether there exists the competency to understand it is another matter entirely. The evidence so far is "entirely not". Some kind of authority? Being able to remember some of my vectors lessons from high school physics classes doesn't normally count as being authoritative.... And to what "model" do you refer? Surely not that ridiculous gif animation? Anyhow, I'm off to do some stuff IRL. I'll check back later to see if your "model" *snork* has been amended to include any physics... |
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AAL11 took off that day, was hijacked, and crashed into the North Tower yankee. Get over it.
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somebody show him NFL highlights please for the northbound linebacker hitting the quarter back and sending him east by ... etc. lol, this is bad
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Did anyone calculate the kinetic energy of the fuel in the wings?
- If it was full of fuel it would have 150,000 pounds of fuel (23k gal @ 6.7 lbs per gallon) which is 68,000 kg. - 0.5 * mv^2 with m=68,000 kg of fuel and speed = 200m/s := 1300, 000, 000 joules. 1.3 gigajoules := approx qtr ton of TNT. Seems a bit high to me. Is that correct or where did I go wrong. I wonder even without a jet rapped around that much fluid what damage it would do colliding with an object like a tall building. |
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Oh, that....it was utter garbage that didn't prove anything of the kind. It looks like you've wasted your time on a silly story. The video fails for two reasons as pointed out by Ozeco:
1) "Most truthers cannot think"; AND 2) "That is why most of them became truthers". These are serious shortcomings that are responsible for the banalities inherent within the video. |
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I swear some people think the James Bond films are documentaries.
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Wrong.
Aluminium alloys are used extensively in aircraft due to their high strength-to-weight ratio. On the other hand, pure aluminium metal is much too soft for such uses, and it does not have the high tensile strength that is needed for airplanes and helicopters.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alumini...oys_properties One third the strength is more than strong enough to break it under such conditions; there's a FEA proving it. Water can also cut through steel if thrown at a bigger speed and in a thin jet (google waterjet cutting), and it's not even a solid. The principle is the same: kinetic energy.
It adds density to the wing as a whole, thus increasing the mass, and with it, the kinetic energy. Imagine yourself throwing an empty soda can to a glass. You will probably not hurt it. Now imagine yourself throwing it full. You will probably break it. Same material, different overall density. And an airplane is much more than the sheeting. Focusing on the cover and forgetting about the structure is a lie by omission. Remember the wings must be strong enough to support the weight of the fuselage. http://adg.stanford.edu/aa241/struct...es/image12.gif These two sheets look like they bent post-impact, due to the load. They bent east-west because it was far easier for them to bend east-west than north-south, due to their orientation and shape (a very oblong rectangle, i.e. basically, a sheet of steel with its faces pointing north and south). However I think that parts of that picture show that the wing was pulled towards the hole by its own structure as the plane penetrated. Good catch. |
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And yet the question was about the weight of the steel as compared to the aluminum, not the tensile strength.
You also neglected to mention that pressure, very tiny apertures and often abrasives are necessary for water to cut steel. Why? To be an accurate comparison you'll need to explain how a Boeing 767 is like a water jet. |
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The steel was not "cut". It had a large force applied to it and it mostly bent and broke apart at the connections between column segments.
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