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Your evasion is noted.
How fast was the leading edge of the wing of the 767 that was observed to impact the tower moving when it was observed to impact the tower? How fast does all available evidence indicate that the leading edge of the wing of the 767 that was observed to impact the tower moving when it was observed to impact the tower? |
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From the top of my dome:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScszbMeAl6s Now what was the speed of the leading edge? |
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A "heavily-reinforced jet" for which there is not the first scintilla of evidence of the merest hint of a suggestion of its existence...
How fast was the "heavily-reinforced jet" that you claim was the 767 that was observed to impact the tower, in your diagrams, moving when it was observed to impact the tower? |
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Good example of what happens when someone looks at a photo of something they don't understand, trying to imagine things in order to support their POV.
The reason the top edge of aluminum cladding was removed in such a straight line is because that was the top edge of the aluminum cladding. That's were you would expect it to separate. The box columns bent more to the right, etc is (obviously) because that's were the mass of the aircraft was centered. The wings taper outward, doing progressively less damage and eventually folding back along the fuselage and being dragged into the building. |
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The tanks are built right in, and sealed.
plane Left Right Center Total 757s 14,600 14,600 46,400 75,600 757s 14,600 14,600 46,200 75,400 757s 15,000 15,000 47,000 77,000 767-300 40,669 40,669 30,552 111,890 767ER 40,669 40,669 80,400 161,738 The WTC impact had about 66,000 pounds of fuel, 10,000 gallons. Most likely in the wings, 33,000 pounds in each wing, which would enter the WTC at 490 mph and 590 mph. These truthers don't do physics, we should make it a beer if we quote them. |
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It is...interesting...that you claim that a bottom-surface impact with a non-compressible fluid, (which BTW, separatres the entire wing from the fuselage, as a unit), is "several videos" of the wings "snapping off".
Is it your claim that the belly of the 767 that was observed to impact the tower, nose first, was the contact surface for its observed nose-first impact? |
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My claim is that the damage evidence is inconsistent with a jet crash, you are simply clutching at any straw to avoid having to discuss how it is.
And the word I used was "all", it was you who used "several". Get your accusations straight. You said you'd appreciate my posting one, if not several examples. I did, but you didn't. Sue me. |
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revised calculation
- 67,000 pounds of fuel (10k gal @ 6.7 lbs per gallon) which is approx 30,000 kg. - 0.5 * mv^2 with m=33,000 kg of fuel and speed = 200m/s := 600000000 joules in the wings alone. Excluding the chemical energy stored in the fuel. So the wings moving at 200m/s loaded with fluid is hardly a empty aluminium box. Also, wings travveling at that speed with that much energy are not going to break off and fall to the floor. They are going to go right through the towers, probably mostly through the windows. They are not going to fold back and break off. |
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http://alumnus.caltech.edu/~johnm/Th...ammable767.JPG
Think NIST had some fuel summaries. These two truther can't comprehend physics, and will not drop the fantasy. |
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Hi - it would appear that we're not going to get an answer.
Never fear, though - here are the calculations from the previous thread on the same topic: ("No Planer calls for Scientific Study") http://www.internationalskeptics.com...43#post8977443 |
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It is sad anyone falls for or makes up lies as silly as missiles or CD.
Real science takes time for some, yet some lay people understand things naturally. http://web.mit.edu/civenv/wtc/ oops, science wasted on 911 truth pushers of woo. Radar debunks the no plane fantasy. http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/foia/9_11...l_aircraft.pdf Simple to understand, yet 911 truth can't do it. Sad to see people who are anti-education. |
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If 911 truth no plane believers could do physics, they could do this.
http://web.mit.edu/civenv/wtc/PDFfil...t%20Impact.pdf But they are anti-science, anti-education, anti-reality. The dumbest claims are nukes, missiles, CD, DEW, and thermite. All these are based on ignorance, and no logic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc-zmb3jAgo Physics, what no plane believer can't do. In truther world mass goes away at impact, thus shot guns don't work, hollow point bullets don't kill, and ping pong balls don't rip through wooden paddles. |
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Answers, these guys are in full blown fantasy-land. yankee451 says education is for fools.
And now, without evidence, the fantasy makers have to make up a lie and say radar data is fake. Without effort, a lie, it is fake. Lies and fantasy. The problem with 911 truth no plane fantasy believers, they think the aircraft are soft. With alloys as strong as steel, they make up lies about impacts to keep their failed fantasy. Oops, 911 truth fails, water crushes car. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5EuuHR9yiQ Guess 911 truth no planers can't grasp 66,000 pounds of jet fuel at 500 mph will no stop at the WTC shell. So they make up lies. Then they make up lies about paper, and they don't do physics. |
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And yet he shares the same cognitively dissonant (t's the new buzz phrase amongst CTs, have you noticed?) attitude of loathing academia and its processes and the qualifications it confers while at the same time desperately trying to find an academically qualified person who agrees with him.
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Some truther make silly remarks about papers, think they have debunked science, and end up making fools of themselves.
http://web.mit.edu/civenv/wtc/PDFfil...t%20Impact.pdf No plane missile fantasy pushers think silly comments debunk science. It takes physics to debunk physics, and 911 truth can't do the work. Never have, never will. People blame the government for their failure, and make up wild fantasies of missiles. http://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/31114 http://www.wai.com/articles_pdf/webA...ensic_2003.pdf The no plane fantasy is born in disrespect and deep seeded ignorance. They can't debunk reality, have to say everyone is a liar, video is a liar, radar is a liar, and they miss their no plane claim is a lie. They call science bogus which dovetails with their disdain of education. |
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LOL! Keep running from the physics yankee.
Edit: Oh wait! You'll try to ignore this too!
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Mr. Eager:
Thanks for this. In a socratic inquiry, it is often more important who provides an answer than what the answer provided is. I know the figures; you know the figures. The purpose of asking yankee451 the question is to get him to demonstrate how observed reality cannot be poured into his sci-fi fantasy scenario. |
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