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22nd January 2014, 08:40 PM | #81 |
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Is it normal practice for conspirators to engage in conspiratorial behavior like planting large bits of planes in broad daylight where news media might be aiming their very large lensed cameras at them? Correct me if I'm wrong, but surely your picture of men in white shirts was taken and published by the news media, right?
On them not wearing gloves: does the FAA dust every last little scrap of a plane crash for fingerprints? I'm going to go out on a limb and say no, they don't. All of the time, in an accidental plane crash, the FAA will document the wreckage to determine what caused the plane to crash. In the event the reason is clear, as is the case on 911, there is little need to document the scene. |
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This appears to go to the heart of the matter.
Whatever task those two men were performing it, the photograph tells us they were doing it in broad daylight in front of witnesses with cameras. Is it conceivable that they were actually placing fake wreckage and just hoping that if they brazen it out, nobody watching would ever ask why they were doing it? No. Obviously it isn't. It's beyond ridiculous. |
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Truthers act like the conspiracy is the Null Hypothesis, not hijackings, despite the fact that they can't even decide which conspiracy. All they have to do is poke holes in the "Official Story" to "win".
Once again, the bad guys in a conspiracy need to have Schrodinger's Competence; both smart and dumb at the same time. |
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Truthers who think the photographic evidence provided by yankee451 is fake? Well if that were the case then he would have no evidence at all, instead of having evidence which actually depicts the opposite of what he claims. And then where would we be? In want of a coherent alternative story, i suppose.
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Yankee, I love your Avatar picture, which shows how incredibly light the construction of the WTC Towers were (relative to their size). 95% air, structurally sound but not impervious to unfought fires etc! I use that berautiful picture to rebuit Gage's claim that the buildings are these unbelievably strong structures. They were actually famous for the amount of open space they created for offices. But in answer to your question about talking to Pentagon librarians... do you now believe that low-level government employees down to the level of librarians are in on the conspiracy? And yes, they are very much worth talking to. In my research I have had phone conversations with NIST and Richard Gage on the same day. That's how you start learning the truth, by talking to EVERYONE.
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It's simple, they are planting the debris after the explosion and the fire department has arrived. You are much less likely to be spotted planting large pieces of aircraft aluminum with dozens of first responders on scene and the rush hour traffic at a stand still looking at the site. That is a far more reasonable conclusion than they are actually moving the debris from an actual plane. It makes sense if you don't think about it.
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As an aside on the "they look like movie extras" bit, isn't that kind of the POINT of movie extras? That they're supposed to look like Joe Average to give the movies some realism? So what, exactly, is the problem with the inverse being true - that a crowd of Joe and Jane Averages looks like movie extras?
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Wonder if Gage's organization helps foster this kind of fantasy. Who is dumbed down enough to believe this tripe? Boston Bombers.
Anti-intellectual claptrap like this is against the charter of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America..._of_Architects Gage is a member of AIA; why has AIA failed to drop him. They hold education and professionalism as part of their charter. memberservices@aia.org I asked them why they allow their member to spread lies about the USA.
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It will be interesting to see how they spin the answer.
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Truthers collectively couldn't with their combined resources and efforts couldn't prove water can turn into ice. They are that inept.
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Let's think about this for a moment.
A secretary, librarian, guard or other lower lever employee at the Pentagon runs to the scene and sees no sign of a jet crash but smells cordite and actually says as much in an interview at the scene. These employees know there was no 757 crash but when they go home they flick on the TeeVee and see the media, the Preznit, the SecDef, the Joint Chiefs and the media's military "analysts" all talking about the plane that hit the Pentagon. Being Pentagon employees these folks aren't stupid people, so it would be obvious that it would be best for their continued employment (to say the least) to hop on the "planes dunnit" bandwagon. |
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That really makes sense to you?
Every one of thousands of people are so insecure in life, so dependent on their employment with the Pentagon that they fall in step with a huge conspiracy that involves the murder of thousands, without even needing to be briefed and told this is what is expected of them? These people are "not stupid", as you say, implying they'd have to be stupid not to go along with the conspiracy, but people are stupid all the time. Even smart people can act stupid, or do stupid things because they are traumatized. You're claiming that every one of thousands of people had the exact same reaction, a sudden unspoken realization that they needed to play along or suffer dire consequences. Further, in the subsequent dozen years, not one whistle-blower among them has come forward?! Sorry, dude. Just doesn't seem even remotely plausible to me. |
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You seem to think that having a lot of questions about how things happened is the same as having evidence that they happened your way. It's not. It only demonstrates that you don't understand everything that was going on. That's normal, I'm sure most people don't, but not understanding everything is not evidence of a conspiracy.
I'm certainly not an expert, but looking at your questions: 1) I can't think of any reason not to touch the plane parts. 2) There may or may not have been an effort to photograph the "crime scene", but it seems to me doing so would have been a low priority. If you come upon a crime scene where there were no witnesses, then yeah, you take a lot of pictures so you can piece together what happened. When something crashes into a building, pictures of every scrap of wreckage doesn't seem (to me) to be particularly helpful. 3) I don't know that cleanup did commence prior to rescue efforts. I don't see why cleanup and rescue couldn't be done at the same time. One person even suggested that picking up plane parts may have been done to facilitate rescue by clearing a path for emergency vehicles. On the other hand, if you believe authority is always corrupt just because it is authority and always disbelieve what authority tells you, doesn't that make you a "true believer" too? I personally can think of many examples where authority has been deceitful, but that doesn't mean it's always deceitful or even mostly deceitful. You need evidence, not just speculation. |
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Does anyone here find it at all curious how a couple or so pieces of lightweight aluminum
with large profiles end up a long distance away from where the impact occurred? |
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You mean what was left of the plane after the "wings folded back" and tunneled through the build...hahahah....sorry, I thought I could get that out without laughing. No seriously, I get what you mean but I don't imagine the JREF brigade will...what big pieces are you referring to?
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