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31st March 2016, 02:12 AM | #1 |
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Why would anyone oppose releasing the oral histories of the 9/11 first responders?
I just found out the the oral histories of 503 9/11 first responders were compiled by the New York Fire Department. I also found out that they were released to the public in 2005, after an appeals court ordered their release. The original request to have the records released was made by the New York Times, but that request was blocked by Mayor Bloomberg.
Here is my question. Why would anyone want to keep these records private? The oral histories - http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...s_full_01.html The article discussing the release, and why it took so long. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/12/ny...oday.html?_r=0 The official story is so simple: Planes crash into big buildings. Fire. Collapse. Duh. Another building nearby collapses. Fire. Duh. If it's so simple, why is there so much secrecy everywhere you look, if you actually choose to look? One more thing, the article says that most of the records were released. Why hasn't everything been released? |
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More details here, which give an idea why those recordings are likely to cause distress to those involved. http://articles.latimes.com/2006/aug...ion/na-tapes17 |
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OK. 1 vote for privacy.
Here is the next question. Why does a first responder need to protect his or her privacy when recalling the events of 9/11? If privacy was really an issue then it would be easy to make each oral history anonymous. My opinion is that "privacy" is nothing more than an excuse to hide important information. Next. |
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I posted evidence. The oral histories were only released when an appeals court ordered their release. Mayor Bloomberg blocked the initial request. What more proof do you need?
You also ask how this supports the delusional fantasy of CD. This is funny, because I have not made any mention of this in this thread. Since you want an answer, 118 first responders claim there were explosions. I will believe their statements long before I believe anything written here by a skeptic. You also didn't answer the question. Why keep this information secret? |
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OK, so you admit there were explosions. Cool.
Now, your next trick is to try to drag me into a discussion about CD. Nope. Not going to happen. We both admit that eyewitnesses heard explosions, but this is not relevant to the purpose of this thread. End of discussion. You still did not answer my question. Why would anyone want to keep these oral histories secret? |
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Not for you, those were bodies hitting, jumpers; sound like explosions, a simile. No explosives, loud noises. Not evidence for explosives.
Those explosions were bodies hitting the ground and objects; jumping was less painful than burning to death. Sounds of jumpers, sounded like, thus simile is used by 911 truth for CD; not evidence. CD remain fantasy, there is no evidence; only BS, some Gish Gallop, and questions already answered. |
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OK. This goes back to the privacy argument, which really is valid. The solution is to make the statements anonymous. There would be no need whatsoever to block their release if they were anonymous. This could have been done very easily.
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Absolutely right .
Phrases like , delusional fantasy , are often used . Perhaps they hope that deflection and attempted ridicule might cower antagonists .It is a time honoured and routine way of a certain type dealing with people who like to have reasonable questions answered sensibly . It is a simple fact that all of these people reported what they considered to be explosions . That overall fact represents one dot among a huge number that point to the official story being a fairy tale .One small dot possibly . But not to be belittled or hidden . No amount of invective or rhetoric could in itself change my overall view . I cannot answer the questions you raise because I have no relevant expertise . But I wanted you to know that I do recognise attempted bullying . Pathetic though it is . I trust that overall you feel the same as I do . |
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If the recordings happened on 9/11, they are evidence. The evidence could be released anonymously.
Your argument also fails because there are numerous videos of people jumping from the WTC towers, and some of the jumpers have been identified. These videos are public record. |
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OK so the recordings have bern released and csn be listened to.
How do they help your case? I take it you have listened to them or have seen transcripts? |
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Which histories were not released? List them.
No explosives, as you thought bodies hitting the ground were explosions. |
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Because you have no evidence for CD. And I presented histories from 16 first responders, they heard bodies hitting the ground... sounded like explosives; you got simile, no evidence.
The thread was over when it was explained - clearly... you missed it? The sad part is Flaseflag should know this, but ignored - the thread ended before it started; failed logic. |
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It is attempted bullying that is derailing matters , imo .
However, this area of explosions being reported by otherwise sane and intelligent people including police and fire fighters , is significant, and is summarised :- Mark Loizeaux, the head of Controlled Demolition, Inc., has explained, "---- one needs the right explosive and the right pattern of laying the charges." The 9/11 oral histories, therefore, create a difficult question for those who defend the official story: How could terrorists have gotten access to the Twin Towers for all the hours required to place all the explosives needed to bring down buildings of that size? It is primarily because they force this question that the testimony about explosions in the towers is itself explosive. Some people , it seems , will do almost anything to keep matters in this area quiet . |
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Privacy from obnoxious, bullying Truthers would be a big reason for me. Cap't Bob Balsamo of the vanity site "Pilots for 9/11 Truth" fame would begin to spam people in both the cyber world and real life with multiple emails, IP address collections, finding out where you lived, your job, just about everything about you if you disagreed at all with any of his idiotic claims. He did it to me and a number of others here from this board, with people whom I used as references, professionals in the aviation business, everything/everybody.
9/11 Truth is not a serious fact of life in the real world and having half-baked unhinged anger-management-problem types hassle and bully you if you choose to engage is simply not worth it. |
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You have to say bullying since you have no evidence; a smoke screen to attack those who know it was not CD because it was fire.
No damage to the WTC steel from explosives, no evidence. As for oral histories, which ones say it was explosives which brought down the WTC. Is 911 truth confused by simile; sounds like an explosion; and then the quote mining, and the fantasy of CD pops up out of ignorance, based on simile.
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