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1st April 2016, 11:26 PM | #241 |
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This is not begging the question.
If you are in an auto accident you cooperate with the investigators, right? If you didn't know it was going to happen, why wouldn't you? Now, let's say you planned the accident. Would you be just as cooperative? No. No, you would not. It's the same thing. Secrecy obscures the truth. Withholding information is secrecy. It's that simple. |
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1st April 2016, 11:43 PM | #244 |
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It was your claim that the information was damning:
You have no doubt checked it line by line, and you haven't found anything. Don't try to turn this into my opinion.............it is your claim that the information was damning, yet you haven't backed that claim up. At all. |
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I have edited my post. If the best you can do is point out typos or grammatical errors, I must be doing pretty well.
Oppressive and repressive do have similar but different meanings. Both words are acceptable. The semantics game is tiring and unnecessary. Not posting at all is your better choice. |
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You will take anything out of context just to make yourself look good. Pathetic. It's just a trick, and anyone can see that. You make yourself look even more foolish than you actually are by continuing your meaningless attacks.
It's a shame you can't find anything substantive to post that relates to the topic of this thread. |
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Is your post relevant to the topic of this thread?
In a previous post in another thread I briefly make the case that a forum such as this should not have moderation. If we want to insult, belittle, berate, or otherwise attack each other I think we should be allowed to do so. We can either respond to the attack, ignore it, or just leave the forum. I don't think anyone should ever need to step in and edit or remove posts. We are all adults. I realize that some people might want to argue with this, but it's true, we are all adults. That being said, I think there is a point where we should not tempt fate and bring moderator action into the thread. I think we have reached this point. I don't want to have my posts edited or removed, so I don't really have a choice other than to stop responding to posts that are just bait posts to solicit more negativity. I have done it way too many times, and I think there is enough of that in this thread. You can continue to say whatever you want, but I choose to stop. I have tempted fate enough. Go ahead and continue the insults if you want. I find some of them amusing, but please understand that I won't respond. |
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I choose to stop replying to your insults. I will still reply to posts that are at least slightly meaningful.
You obviously misunderstood a simple statement I made. It seems like it should have been easy to understand. Do you think your inability to understand a simple post might affect your ability to understand more complex concepts? |
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OK. I appreciate you asking for an answer. I'm going to give a meatball to the skeptics with nothing better to do and say this again. What I think does not matter. To be more clear, why the information was blocked can never really be answered. I can speculate, but I'm not going to.
As I have said before, "The release of the information was initially blocked. That is the issue." It really is the issue. It doesn't matter what was eventually released, it was that it was blocked to begin with. It should never have been blocked. What you want is for me to speculate so that you can take my speculation and use it for fuel for a debate. I respectfully decline your invitation. |
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I will comment on this.
3000 Americans died on 9/11. 9/11 was used as a pretext to pass the Patriot Act. It was used as a reason to go to war with two countries. Over a million people have died in those wars. Those are reasons there should be no secrecy whatsoever. Everything should be known. Everything. |
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These testimonies weren't part of the FBI investigation anyway, they were internal Fire Department documents.
Witnesses were interviewed by and gave their testimony to the FBI. How does access to these testimonies by a newspaper over 4 years after the event effect the FBI investigation? |
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You are trying to get someone to take your bait so you can drag them down into a pointless debate with you. I won't take the bait, although someone else might.
The initial question posed in this thread has been answered. If you want to add another answer, then I'm sure we would all be willing to listen. |
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If that's your point, then knowing the personal details of calls to the emergency services adds nothing of relevance to the circumstances behind the passing of the Patriot Act.
I do believe that the Bush administration exploited the attack, for this and as a pretext for invading Iraq. If you agree, then you should be pressing for more information about this, not about 9/11 itself, which although linked, is a separate issue. |
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OK. This is a great point. I can see where there would be confusion, and you are right. I am asking other members to speculate why the release would be blocked. The difference is that I have not asked for any proof as to why their reasons are valid or true. I have never said that. I have simply asked for people to provide reasons. I then commented that there was quite a bit of secrecy considering the official story is supposed to be so simple. I also then pointed out that all of the records have not been released, but then did not pursue that issue any further.
One of the reasons given was privacy. I never asked for proof that privacy was a reason, I simply addressed the answer by stating it was a valid concern, and it could be addressed. What is being asked of me now is to speculate, as I have asked you. On the surface, it sounds fair, but I know it's a trick. The reasons behind each request are entirely different. My reason for asking was to find out if there was a legitimate reason to block the release. In my opinion, there was not. The second reason was to point out that, regardless of the reason, the release was blocked. That is a form of secrecy. Now, what you are doing is asking me to give more reasons other than privacy. Then, once I give my reason, you will ask for proof. Proof is something I can not give, for that is what speculation is. I won't allow myself to get dragged into another meaningless debate. The issues of what was in the oral histories is not relevant to the purpose of this thread. It isn't. I keep saying this, but you refuse to accept this because you want to debate. I will not do this. One last time, the release was blocked. The only reason given was privacy (albeit in multiple flavors). Privacy is a concern, not a reason. Anonymity would address the concern. The fact that the release was blocked is the issue. Blocking the release is withholding information. Withholding information is a form of secrecy. There is secrecy where there should be none. That is the issue. |
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