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View Poll Results: What Percentage of AIA will support the WTC7 Resolution? |
0-4% | 50 | 87.72% | |
5-9% | 5 | 8.77% | |
10-14% | 1 | 1.75% | |
15-19% | 0 | 0% | |
20-24% | 0 | 0% | |
25-29% | 0 | 0% | |
30-34% | 0 | 0% | |
35-39% | 0 | 0% | |
40-44% | 0 | 0% | |
45-49% | 0 | 0% | |
50-54% | 1 | 1.75% | |
55-59% | 0 | 0% | |
60-64% | 0 | 0% | |
65-69% | 0 | 0% | |
70-74% | 0 | 0% | |
75-79% | 0 | 0% | |
80-84% | 0 | 0% | |
85-89% | 0 | 0% | |
90-94% | 0 | 0% | |
95-100% | 0 | 0% | |
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8th April 2016, 11:48 AM | #1 |
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AIA 2016 Meeting Vote - How Will It Turn Out?
This years' AIA convention will be held in Philadelphia on May 19 through May 21.
What do you think the percentage in support of the AE911 Truth resolution will be this time? In 2015, AE911Truth's Resolution 15-6, which called upon the AIA to support a new WTC 7 investigation, was voted down 3,892 to 160, garnering just 4% of the delegates’ votes. Link. Let the voting begin. |
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8th April 2016, 11:57 AM | #2 |
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"Truthers" have done nothing over the last year that would warrant them getting more support. I think some of the votes they got last year were mistakes.
Every year they claim a large number of signers at the AIA events. Almost none actually materialize. |
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8th April 2016, 12:03 PM | #3 |
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Much the same result. Margin of error +/- 3 percentage points.
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8th April 2016, 12:07 PM | #4 |
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True but this has very little to do with science and everything to do with marketing. I don't think they will come anywhere near a passing resolution but I wouldn't be surpised if they picked up a few more votes. I doubt if anyone but the faithful voted for them last year so they can only go up!
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8th April 2016, 12:16 PM | #5 |
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Four to Six percent is a good sign that most AIA members are not insane, not paranoid on 9/11, not irrational on 9/11, not fooled by the fraud of Gage's CD claim. CD claims on opinion and paranoia.
How many voted out of ignorance for a resolution based on ignorance. Hopefully, the more Gage persists, the more people will see AE911T is a fraud, and Gage's travel club for one; his only income. Is AE911T a tax fraud scam, because there are a few donors who gave 100,000 or so; the scam, total refund of donation minus 10 percent, and the donor ends up with 90,000 dollars, with no giant tax bite... 10 percent tax, vs paying the IRS tax rate... Who is dumb enough to donate over 100,000 dollars to the delusional CD claims. Where is the IRS when you need them... The four percent; sad they failed to see the BS in the last resolution. |
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9th April 2016, 08:04 AM | #7 |
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Beyond Misinformation
I just noticed that the official A911Truth banner image for their AIA resolution is subtitled "Beyond Misinformation."
How utterly and ironically appropriate! |
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9th April 2016, 09:45 AM | #8 |
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9th April 2016, 10:59 AM | #9 |
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ENORMOUS RED AIA logo bang in the middle of the banner image.
Tiny little AE911Truth down in the bottom right hand corner in ghostly pale blue. Now why might that be? |
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9th April 2016, 01:33 PM | #11 |
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Does anyone want to change their vote? |
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9th April 2016, 01:53 PM | #13 |
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Geez, splashing AE911T's logo, as if it actually had the slightest significance, isn't going to get you any votes.
You'd get much more mileage out of, say, weaseling your way out of the obvious fact that this post pretty much obliterates WHEREAS #9 of the AE911Truth Resolution being presented to AIA in May. |
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9th April 2016, 01:55 PM | #14 |
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As a firefighter, I laugh at their ridiculous and patently dishonest claim about the WTC 7 fires.
But never mind that; you've told us how AE911 "learned from their mistakes" and is presumably just gonna knock this one out of the park. I predict they will fail again, overwhelmingly - less than 10%. If you're right, I'll say they might be onto something. If I'm right, will you (a) acknowledge they've got nothing, (b) say AIA is full of incompetents and stooges, or (c) gives another chorus of "Wait til next year"? I'm predicting that they'll get some marginally less miserable percentage than before, and you'll claim that as a groundswell of support, and thus (c). |
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9th April 2016, 06:25 PM | #22 |
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Last year's resolution was worded without any overt conspiracism. In principle, a person could have voted for it without believing in any Trutherism, merely desiring a new engineering report.
The new one is 100 proof conspiracy crazy. It practically accuses FDNY of being part of the plot. I doubt it'll get 1% of the vote. |
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Architects are far from the most informed group about building collapses. We also only need a passable knowledge of what holds a building up, believe it or not. Enough to have sensible conversations with the structural engineers who actually design the structure. Architects involved with the design of multi-storey buildings will set out the floors, the lift and stair wells, and the toilet areas, send the drawings to the engineers and ask for column sizes and locations, and a design (ie thickness of walls) for the stair, services & lift cores. When we get the engineer's design back we call them in and tell them to make it all smaller and further apart, which they try to do a little bit.
So consider an architect vote on the collapse of a building to be no more than expressing a very well-informed layman's viewpoint. The people who count in this regard (and why they would be voting on such a thing is beyond me), are structural engineers. Structural engineers, note. Not civil engineers, mechanical engineers, services engineers, and all such assorted engineers who no doubt pad-out FF's list of thousands who back his nut-job conspiracy.........structural engineers only. There is a specialist sub-set of structural engineers involved in reverse engineering building collapses, and in advising demolition contractors. Their opinions are the ones which should be given some weight. So, a direct question for Fallacy Flag: How many of your list of 2500 are structural engineers? How many are specialist demolitions structural engineers? Where can we find the list of names so that qualifications and membership of professional bodies can be assessed? |
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10th April 2016, 01:25 AM | #28 |
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I doubt FF wants to 'go there', so here's a thread on the AE signatories from 2014: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=274881 From post 22 onwards there's an exchange between various forum members that sums up the misleading nature of AE911Truth's list of professional signatories. Particularly pertinent post here from JSanderO. And here's a post from Oystein, from the venerable AE911 Petition thread, with his downloadable list of AE911Truth membership data: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...&postcount=847 |
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Not only that... high rises is a specialty that many structural engineers don't get involved with. The money point here is that architects have SOME training in statics, strength of materials and so forth... and are legally allowed to design structures. Few do and those that do.. do so for small buildings of a few stories at most. So architects a definitely a notch or two above lay persons including biologists and sanitary engineers when it comes to matters of structure. There is no such field as forensic architecture.
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Poisson Distribution Results
Based on the tally as of today (0-4%: 28 votes, 5-9%:5 votes), I made a fit using the Poisson Distribution:
The mean, μ, was obtained as the weighted averages of the vote tallies (28,5,0,...)and their respective midpoints (2 is midway between 0 and 4, 7 falls midway between 5 and 9, and so on). Summing the Poisson probabilities for k=0 through k=4 yields 85.42%, pretty close to the vote tally of 28 (84.85%). Likewise, for 5-9, sum of the Poisson probabilities was 14.52%, versus the tally of 5 (15.15%). Bottom line: it's not looking very good for Gage! |
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To be fair, this is no more than a perfect example of the Emperor of China fallacy...
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So it is conceivable that the number could go below zero, perhaps by recantations of last time's vote?
Fixed it for you. No, I love architects. They can be artists working in the real world, producing objects both beautiful and functional. HOWEVER, others need engineers to clean up messes caused by their conviction that two objects can occupy the same space. Or when they forget the function in their reach for beauty. Case in point is the TRUMP tower in Chicago. Utterly gorgeous, but the floorplans for individual apartments are small and awkwardly shaped. Which is why I hate architects. |
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Really? I had no trouble finding an explanation when searching for 'emperor of china fallacy'. http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...Number=9539800
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I'm happy to blame that particular developer for most of the troubles of the world, but he doesn't seem to be a hands-on manager. I assume he never saw a floorplan, just beautiful 3D renderings. He sold his own apartment before it was finished, I assume because he went there, looked around, and said, "This isn't as big as I expected. I wanted YUUUUUUGE!"
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I'll give 3 to 1 in favor of this year's resolution failing worse than last year's. For one thing, the resolution this year is loaded with Truther nonsense, while a naive person could have voted for last year's, not knowing its context.
For another thing, proximity to New York will probably mean more attendance by New York architects. |
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