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Old 17th April 2016, 04:28 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by yankee451 View Post
Based on the available evidence:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_a1foRId6M
So, there were 8 planes?

And they stopped mid-air?

The Fabric Of Space has been ripped apart!!11!
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Note the words "in its entirety" in the OP. These are important words.

The point of the thread, of course, is that no truther will ever offer a complete and internally consistent account of all the events of 9/11, but will confine themselves to groundless speculation and anomaly-hunting over small subsets of the events, carefully stripped of context, to try to confuse the issue. The video offered by yankee451 is a classic example of the former, with not even a suggestion of any overarching narrative. So by trying to refute the premise of the thread, yankee451 has simply reinforced it.

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Old 17th April 2016, 04:51 PM   #43
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Originally Posted by tinribmancer View Post
So, there were 8 planes?

And they stopped mid-air?

The Fabric Of Space has been ripped apart!!11!
Golly, you got all that out of those clips?
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Old 17th April 2016, 06:40 PM   #44
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Originally Posted by yankee451 View Post
Like I wrote, it is based on the available evidence. I believe the thread title is "Will Truther Cowards EVER say what they think happened?" So now that that's done this thread can come to an end. Thank you for your support.
No it isn't, your assertions and delusions are not evidence.
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Old 17th April 2016, 07:15 PM   #45
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No it isn't, your assertions and delusions are not evidence.
I'm happy to discuss the evidence.

Whatever it was that damaged the tower started here. A projectile of some kind struck the face of this cladding just hard enough to pinch it but not hard enough to sever it or apparently the steel column behind it.
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Moving to the right the damage becomes more pronounced.

http://i2.wp.com/yankee451.com/wp-co...m-the-side.png

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Bending this steel column sharply.

http://i0.wp.com/yankee451.com/wp-co...ht-bends-a.png

And the next:

http://i2.wp.com/yankee451.com/wp-co...re-bends-a.png

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The next column was shattered.

http://i1.wp.com/yankee451.com/wp-co...his-column.png

Something exploded on the face:

http://i1.wp.com/yankee451.com/wp-co...his-column.png

Causing the top of the column to pop-out, evidence that the bolts were removed from that seam:

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Off topic.
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So far we have evidence of something not very dense and not very big that struck the first column, but as the projectile moved further to the right and penetrated deeper into the tower it became dense enough to bend steel. Something like this:

https://youtu.be/E0Rf_sS42U8
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Off topic.
HAHA - it's a truther with the courage to explain what happened being told he's off topic in a thread entitled "Will Truther Cowards EVER say what they think happened?"

The irony is bitter.
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Originally Posted by yankee451 View Post
So far we have evidence of something not very dense ...
I think we have.
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Originally Posted by yankee451 View Post
HAHA - it's a truther with the courage to explain what happened being told he's off topic in a thread entitled "Will Truther Cowards EVER say what they think happened?"

The irony is bitter.
If you don't provide an explanation that encompasses the entire day, it's off topic.
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Doesn't the title say "think"?

Evidence is not what this thread seems to be about.
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HAHA - it's a truther with the courage to explain what happened being told he's off topic in a thread entitled "Will Truther Cowards EVER say what they think happened?"

The irony is bitter.
Well, how about starting with the big hole in the center and work your way out? The problem answers itself...in the real world at least.
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Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
If you don't provide an explanation that encompasses the entire day, it's off topic.
It is a complex subject. I didn't know there was a time limit on the truth, but no matter. There is enough to discuss in just the first nine columns:

http://i0.wp.com/yankee451.com/wp-co...e-shatters.jpg

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Well, how about starting with the big hole in the center and work your way out? The problem answers itself...in the real world at least.
Suit yourself:

Had a real jet been used the wings would have struck on the right side of the columns first,

http://i1.wp.com/yankee451.com/wp-co...rner-first.png
opposite from what the damage evidence shows:

http://i1.wp.com/yankee451.com/wp-co...ide-dents1.jpg

The thing is that according to the official story the wings disintegrated AS they were cutting through the steel columns:

http://i2.wp.com/yankee451.com/wp-co...wing-burst.png

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Originally Posted by yankee451 View Post
It is a complex subject. I didn't know there was a time limit on the truth, but no matter. There is enough to discuss in just the first nine columns:

http://i0.wp.com/yankee451.com/wp-co...e-shatters.jpg
15 years and you can't just come up with a brief summary?

Lol
Thanks for proving the point.
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Which means that by the time the engines had entered the building, the remaining wing would no longer be connected to the jet.

http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uplo...05/inside1.jpg

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I'm not your enemy, so please don't attack me. I have a legitimate question. Do you honestly think missiles and not planes crashed into the twin towers?
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Stop hijacking my thread with off topic drivel. They're all getting reported.

Your brief summary is all that's needed. Can you think for yourself? We know the other intellectual coward here won't.
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Stop hijacking my thread with off topic drivel. They're all getting reported.

Your brief summary is all that's needed. Can you think for yourself? We know the other intellectual coward here won't.
Your frustration is showing. Your brain can only reject so much truth.
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Your frustration is showing. Your brain can only reject so much truth.
You've yet to provide any.

I get frustrated whenever some vile thing comes along and mocks the deaths of thousands of people.

I'm crazy like that.

So how about it? You got a quick summary of your own? Fits better than 19 terrorists crashing 4 planes?

Didn't think so. Coward.
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Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
Stop hijacking my thread with off topic drivel. They're all getting reported.

Your brief summary is all that's needed. Can you think for yourself? We know the other intellectual coward here won't.
Aw man, I was going to have some fun with Photoshop later when I get home.

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I'm not your enemy, so please don't attack me. I have a legitimate question. Do you honestly think missiles and not planes crashed into the twin towers?
I'm trying to explain the evidence that leads to that conclusion and in fact which missiles were most likely used. There are very few, only one actually that fits the size and has the capabilities to cause the damage. I am starting at the scene of the crime, examining the damage evidence and moving on from there. This has never been done by the so called truth movement in the last 15 years, no one examined the crash sites. Well, once you do - only one thing can account for the damage. From there you move on to the Pentagon and to Shanksville - missile damage there? You bet. So it makes a lot of sense to have used missiles (and explosives) at all sites because you would only need one team of missile jockeys and one team of engineers.

If you haven't watched this video, please do - it's 15 minutes long and goes over the reasons for my conclusions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiLa_CyFAIM
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I'm not your enemy, so please don't attack me. I have a legitimate question. Do you honestly think missiles and not planes crashed into the twin towers?


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I'm trying to explain the evidence that leads to that conclusion and in fact which missiles were most likely used. There are very few, only one actually that fits the size and has the capabilities to cause the damage. I am starting at the scene of the crime, examining the damage evidence and moving on from there. This has never been done by the so called truth movement in the last 15 years, no one examined the crash sites. Well, once you do - only one thing can account for the damage. From there you move on to the Pentagon and to Shanksville - missile damage there? You bet. So it makes a lot of sense to have used missiles (and explosives) at all sites because you would only need one team of missile jockeys and one team of engineers.

If you haven't watched this video, please do - it's 15 minutes long and goes over the reasons for my conclusions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiLa_CyFAIM
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Your frustration is showing. Your brain can only reject so much truth.
LOL. Pure gold.
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You've yet to provide any.

I get frustrated whenever some vile thing comes along and mocks the deaths of thousands of people.

I'm crazy like that.

So how about it? You got a quick summary of your own? Fits better than 19 terrorists crashing 4 planes?

Didn't think so. Coward.
I am pretty sure that calling another member a coward is a personal attack.
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Originally Posted by yankee451 View Post
I'm trying to explain the evidence that leads to that conclusion and in fact which missiles were most likely used. There are very few, only one actually that fits the size and has the capabilities to cause the damage. I am starting at the scene of the crime, examining the damage evidence and moving on from there. This has never been done by the so called truth movement in the last 15 years, no one examined the crash sites. Well, once you do - only one thing can account for the damage. From there you move on to the Pentagon and to Shanksville - missile damage there? You bet. So it makes a lot of sense to have used missiles (and explosives) at all sites because you would only need one team of missile jockeys and one team of engineers.

If you haven't watched this video, please do - it's 15 minutes long and goes over the reasons for my conclusions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiLa_CyFAIM
OK. I will watch your video, and I will do so with an open mind.

Once again, I am not your enemy.
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OK. I will watch your video, and I will do so with an open mind.

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LOL. Pure gold.
Pretty sure that wasn't directed at me.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...1#post11235131

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Stop hijacking my thread with off topic drivel. They're all getting reported.

Your brief summary is all that's needed. Can you think for yourself? We know the other intellectual coward here won't.


Your frustration is showing. Your brain can only reject so much truth.
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Once again, I am not your enemy.
Okay - thanks for clarifying.
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Somebody watches too much TV, and/or spends too much time on the net searching for memes.
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So far we have evidence of something not very dense and not very big that struck the first column, but as the projectile moved further to the right and penetrated deeper into the tower it became dense enough to bend steel.
The thing that's not very dense is called a "wingtip", which is a fairly light structure made predominantly of aluminium. The thing dense enough to bend steel is called a "wing", which contains a big heavy fuel tank and contains enough momentum, properly applied, to bend steel. Your evidence is entirely consistent with an airliner wing striking the columns.

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Had a real jet been used the wings would have struck on the right side of the columns first, opposite from what the damage evidence shows:
Good God, man, what kind of moron could think that? The picture is taken from the right side of the columns, which are bent directly backwards, so fro mthe point of view of the picture the bends appear to be from the left. Have you never heard of perspective?

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Have you never heard of perspective?
A sense of perspective would allow one to take the mental step back to consider "why wouldn't they just use planes?".
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A sense of perspective would allow one to take the mental step back to consider "why wouldn't they just use planes?".
Because... evil.
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The thing that's not very dense is called a "wingtip", which is a fairly light structure made predominantly of aluminium. The thing dense enough to bend steel is called a "wing", which contains a big heavy fuel tank and contains enough momentum, properly applied, to bend steel. Your evidence is entirely consistent with an airliner wing striking the columns.
As I explained above, the jet's wing tip would have struck from the opposite corner from what was actually damaged.

http://i1.wp.com/yankee451.com/wp-co...rner-first.png

So you see - it doesn't figger:

http://i1.wp.com/yankee451.com/wp-co...ide-dents1.jpg
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Good God, man, what kind of moron could think that? The picture is taken from the right side of the columns, which are bent directly backwards, so fro mthe point of view of the picture the bends appear to be from the left. Have you never heard of perspective?

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North Tower/South Tower comparison. Multiple trajectories indicate multiple projectiles. Of course they wouldn't launch just one missile.

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An artist's rendition:

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