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http://resoundings.org/PDF/Brooklyn_Bridge.pdf
lol, evidence of 9/11 truth stink remains. Cut the BS So it is true, there was no WTC, it was really the Brooklyn Bridge. What is the point of the thread? |
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Ergo beedunked here. #FalseFlagCluelessAtPhysics. Skeptical Inquirer July/August 2011 issue on 9/11 Truth |
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The straps are mentioned in the OP, but can be seen in this image:
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Which tower?
Please explain how straps that were once encased in concrete would be hanging on the walls without a speck of concrete on them. Please explain why no concrete can be seen where the lobby ceiling met the walls. Edit: To answer my own question it appears to be tower one, but which floor and how can you be sure that the floor in the open-air walkway is concrete? If the damage evidence is to be taken at face value, and if the images of the walkways were from the first mechanical floor for WTC1, then they must have used something other than concrete, at least for that floor. |
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Mine as well. You know a Truther thread must be involved when people who agree on something start arguing about it
In Colorado building code we use a "hurricane clip" to connect every rafter or roof truss tail to the wall top plates. It's a flat strap of punched, galvanized steel with a twist in the middle. In theory it keeps the wind gods from stealing your roof, because without them the roof mostly is held on by gravity. I have no idea what Steve is on about now. |
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Post # 2943 "7th technical floor at North Tower" http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...56090&page=148 Floor plan 7th Floor: http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evid...A/A-A-31_2.png |
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Yeah, that's my point. I am aware of the official statements but they don't reconcile with the remains seen in the damage evidence. They definitely didn't use concrete for those floors and had it been the big mechanical floor they said it was it would require some pretty beefy support. This I believe is a shot of some elevator motors from the 41st mechanical level, but don't quote me on that.
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As there was no such thing, other than in your febrile imagination, that is going to be rather a difficult task. So I'll stick to the forum rules, thanks, rather than your agenda.
I'll say again, there is no case to answer, and the only person suffering any confusion here is you. This is a really simple thing: some restraint straps pulled out of the concrete as the floors were removed by thousands of tons falling on them from above. If you've ever demolished any reinforced concrete, you might have noticed that smacking it hard leaves the re-bar extremely clean. End of story. |
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Did you ever stop to think that maybe the diagonal straps on the mechanical levels may have been underneath the floor pans and not encased in concrete.
The MEC floors had I beams not trusses and the diagonal straps need to attach directly to the I beam to do there job. On the normal floors the trusses extended up above the floorpans and the straps could be attached there. |
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All the images I have seen show them attached to the knuckle of the truss that protruded above the floor deck.
If you're saying that the truss straps seen hanging from the walls were actually used to support the I-Beams but were not poured into the floor, then that makes even less sense than trusses. Although all signs of IBeams and the thick reinforced concrete floors (8 inches or better) were obliterated, the thin straps remain unharmed. |
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The straps in question appear to be angle not flat bar. They were underneath floor pans not buried in concrete.
Zoom in on your photo take a closer look. http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uplo.../FEMA-0240.jpg
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Did I claim otherwise? Oh, and not being re-bar, they had a smooth surface, and yet you still expect concrete to cling to them. Your theory is so lame that all I can think is that you are claiming some sort of prize elsewhere for keeping us talking on this silly notion for as long as possible.
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Look again - what concrete? There appear to be truss supports there, and no sign of IBeams. http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uplo...p-of-floor.jpg Why would flimsy straps be needed to stabilize IBeams? Do you have any links to support this idea? Must have been super strong straps to survive where the whole floor, concrete, IBeams and floor decks were wiped out. |
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Tension, compression and deflection are three different directions to be controlled by engineering. Thin flat straps are perfect for tension, as in the hurricane clips I mentioned upthread. A tornado can pick up an entire house with them, if the floor isn't also tied to the topplates with steel strap exactly like they use to band bunks of lumber.
In fact, that's another example of surprisingly thin metal used in a structural manner - the banding on pallets of lumber. Very thin and flexible, very strong in a tension-only application. |
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Do you not bother to read what I write?
I explained the purpose of these straps half a day ago. They aren't to support anything, and they aren't to stabilise the floor, or any part of the floor. They are to tie the walls to the floor. Their job is to hold the walls in against the edge of the floor slab. Forces exerted on the external skin of the building such as wind loads, earthquakes, vibrations etc are what they are there to resist. There is actually a clue to this is the name I used: horizontal restraint straps: they are restraining against horizontal movement. This is absolutely bog standard stuff that goes into every single domestic scale building and upwards. You really should know this before you start pontificating about the things. Some reading. |
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What do you mean, no evidence? They were piled up on the ground beneath their original location until they were cleared away. "Whatever those straps were connected to" (walls and floors) were dismantled. Didn't you notice: the WTCs fell down when some planes crashed into them.
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All this talk about trusses, floors, straps and concrete, but none of the images contain anything beyond the straps. Shouldn't there be a sizeable pile of ibeams and car-sized elevator motors somewhere around there?
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Firstly, it is only your claim that they aren't. I have no idea whether it is a valid claim.
Secondly, if some remained attached to the floor and detached themselves from the wall, so what? There are different forces at work in different locations in the chaos of a building collapse, so similar components in different locations can be expected to behave in different ways. |
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In this thread .... yankee451 has a huge load of fun. Outstanding work!
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Anyway, what are you trying to proof with your claim btw?
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