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You come on here posting images of floor connections, and ask us why there is no concrete floor attached to them. You give no context as to why you have an issue with that, or what you believe is wrong with it. So how can we give you a proper answer like that?
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Left hand edge of your photo a little over half way up there is a damper visible under the 7th floor. http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uplo.../FEMA-0240.jpg What floors do you think didn't have dampers. |
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Because I care. Obviously.
I have my reasons, the history of the complex and the real estate market, the evidence of removed bolts, the total absence of floor material beyond what is visible where they met the walls, not to mention the absence of the pile of IBeams and dozens of bright yellow car-sized elevator motors and the miles of cables, toilets, electrical cables, HVAC ducting, conduit, etc., etc. |
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My point exactly - don't the dampers prove there were no IBeams there?
In zooming in to search for dampers, are those straps that I see? http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uplo.../FEMA-0240.jpg |
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In your own image can be seen the difference between an assumed ibeam supported floor with reinforced concrete but no dampers, and right above it you can see the remains of what must have been a truss supported ceiling with dampers. Now that you've provided this excellent image of what we should expect to see where a concrete floor met a wall, I am very interested in seeing a bigger image of this shot.
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Can you point out the dampers above the mechanical level? Can you see the straps? Any sign of concrete floors?
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What removed bolts are you talking about? The bolts connecting the outer wall sections? The bolts sheered, so the remains fell into the hollow columns. And do you really think something recognizable will remain on a floor when an entire building just collapsed on itself?
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Just look for fresh kills wtc debris on youtube.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRy-c3mMlMs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4tckn7s7II https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2pa_R8O2As https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcEqB72Ao6U http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uplo.../FEMA-0120.jpg Notice how the bolts on the column to the bottom left are bent, almost as if the inner two bolts were removed which allowed the column to fall away from the wall, bending the bolts in the process: http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uplo...n-spandrel.jpg |
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Oh? According to governor Pataki they were turned to dust.
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I assume you're referring to the pile of debris right next to what appears to be the bathtub wall?
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-cont...athtub-map.jpg Note that there was a lot of steel and concrete around the bathtub wall that wouldn't count as floors from the WTC2. http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...lding&langid=5 Have you considered that maybe this is yet another example of the FDNY spreading false information? |
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Yep, they'll have done that as well. Remember, concrete is made up of "fines" and shingle (coarser stone), and that the floors were also made of steel. Lots of the dust will be from concrete fines, and obviously the steel didn't turn to dust. The rest of the concrete will have ended up as rubble on the ground, and even you can't claim there was none of that.
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Obviously. Speaking of which since the concrete was pulverized to dust and then spread about the city, what happened to the steel trusses and floor pans that supported it?
Anyone who has ever tried to pulverize concrete knows how ridiculous it is to claim that 220 acres of reinforced floors turned to dust anyway, never mind trying to explain the absence of trusses and ibeams. |
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If you need to have an entire fire department lie, the authorities lie, and billionaires funding the lie... You may be unwise to assume it is others who need to grow up.
Even if you believe everything you have posted here, about there being no concrete, or no floors, or any of these inexplicable conspiracies (how many people just pretended to go to work there?) then you can at least stop, take a breath and imagine how this all sounds to the rest of the world. Everybody else here sees a tragedy where people died, and people mourned. What you are suggesting sounds like it was plotted by Wile E Coyote. You might want to consider that the outrage, the grief, and the horror is real for others, before deeming that they should grow up. |
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You don't read what I write, do you. I explained that of the floor structure it is only the fines in the concrete which could turn to dust. That's a lot of dust, but nobody in their right mind could claim that the whole floor turned to dust.
There is no absence of trusses and RSJs. They are piled up in the debris in that set of photos linked to above by Jaytje46. Let's turn this around for a second. What do you think is piled up in the debris? |
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Why would the entire fire department have to lie? Only a few at the top would need to be involved and the rest would just follow orders. I'm sure anyone who figured it out would also know that there would be no one to turn to if they wanted to blow the whistle. Let's all grow up and stop trusting authority by virtue of their authority, especially in this country and especially in New York City, the corruption capital of the country if not of the whole world.
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Nobody has ever claimed that this is what determines the truth. The truth in this case is self-evident. We all watched countless hours of footage from dozens of different cameras showing planes crashing into the building, a fire ensuing, and then progressive collapse occurring. We then all read the reports by proper experts into the events of the day. The same burden is on you lot: something isn't true just because a few keyboard warriors say so. You are wrong in everything you claim, and your posts are just game playing.
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He's referring to the image in the link above where the FDNY claims to have captured pancaked floors from WTC2. Note the location of the slurry wall and that that area had a whole lot of heavy steel and concrete infrastructure. So can we agree that the FDNY person who posted the image of the collapsed floors from WTC2 must be mistaken?
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I read what you wrote and I think I understand that you're saying only the finest parts of the concreted turned to dust. All of it. Why wouldn't some of that concrete still be intact? You know - big chunks here and fine dust there, eh?
I've seen the images. Can you identify the trusses for me please? 110 acres of floors needed to be supported by trusses and ibeams. The pile they have identified as floors from WTC2 is next to the slurry wall where there was plenty of heavy steel and concrete to account for those mislabled "pancaked floors" from WTC2. https://www.flickr.com/photos/thearc...ne/6979092823/ |
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