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29th April 2016, 01:52 AM | #121 |
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Where did I say that? How could anybody on the planet know that?
Where did I say that it wasn't? You're boring me now. Go look for yourself (and when you do, don't expect to find them as trusses: they've had enormous weights dropped on them from height). Are you claiming there were no trusses before the buildings fell? Or are you claiming that someone nefariously took them all away afterwards? |
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29th April 2016, 03:29 AM | #123 |
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The building did not have 110 floors... it was 110 stories high. The granularity of the destroyed concrete would be a direct result of how many collisions the concrete had which would fracture and abrade it to smaller and small chunks and release more and more dust. This is precisely how an industrial stone crusher produces stone dust from large rocks/bolders or concrete! The WTC floor were low strength NO STONE AGGREGATE and were rendered to dust and sand more efficiently that a typical high strength slab use in a road for example. There was little rebar used as well... probably only around openings etc. The 4" or so concrete pour was supported by the 24 ga fluted metal deck. The concrete was either brought up mixed via elevator or mixed on each floor. The span for the concrete was less than 80" or closer to 72" and the design load was reduced from the NYC code use for office floors of 100 PSF to 58 PSF. All the collapsing towers show the same level of concrete crushing and proportion of dust. |
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29th April 2016, 04:09 AM | #126 |
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Here's an interesting photo regarding the I-beams:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3650/...aed34e1f_b.jpg Edit: Another one: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3300/...3c8cce72_b.jpg And one more: http://static5.businessinsider.com/i...ly-19-1971.jpg I'm trying to figure out if this one is relevant: http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6161/...80a90a6f_b.jpg |
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As an aside, they really were ugly buildings, weren't they. An extremely visually-heavy facade, with the minor curved elements in the "trees" being in sharp contrast to the rectilinear nature of the rest of the building. The materials were near Brutalist, which again doesn't sit well with an attempt to add in a semi-naturalistic element. I'd love to speculate what it might have looked like if Antoni Gaudi had designed it, but even the post-modernists (Piano, Foster, Rogers etc) would have made something much better in the place of the originals if time travelling was a thing.
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I believe the screenshot below shows the section (on the right) through the fork at the seventh floor which is what the photo shows. I think the "FINISHED CEILING" note just above the section "F" notation is the ceiling we see above the mezzanine level in the lobby. That section shows concrete at that level. Please correct me if I am wrong.
It is drawing A-AB-313, FacadeElevations+SectionsAt7thFloorMechLevels located at http://www2.ae911truth.org/WTC1_electricaldrawings.php |
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Yankee seems to be a graduate of the JFK School of Conspiracism, where everything that "doesn't look right to me" and everything "I don't understand" is an "anomaly," and every such anomaly is taken as smoking-gun evidence of a hoax, and of course the only explanation for such an elaborate hoax is some sort of vast conspiracy, even if they can't articulate a coherent, plausible theory about it.
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Good point. It was allegedly Colonial Sand and Stone that got the contract for the 10,000,000 sq. feet of concrete. Colonial at the time was owned by the Pope family, the wealthiest Italian immigrants in the history of Italian immigrants. Their trucks were pretty easy to identify, being painted in the colors of the Italian flag, but it is very difficult to find many of them in the images and videos of the construction site. If they were pumping concrete it was hidden from view so like so much else when it comes to the WTC, we're forced to take the words of some of the worlds' shadiest characters that the WTC was the fully completed city within the city they were advertising.
If you read between the lines you can figure it out. About the architect: http://yankee451.com/?p=43 About the history of the complex: http://yankee451.com/?p=1765 |
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Wait. What? So just because there is no image, which was a lot less common at that time of the construction, you don't believe they put concrete on each floor? Are you really that paranoid, that you don't believe it? So where did the people who supposedly did not work there each day, go to according to you?
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Yeh, and no one working there never mentioned the floors without concrete, because they were in it to. I wonder how many times you were hit by a windmill growing up..... We got millions of conspirators pulling off the biggest attack in US history, and only you are smart enough to figure it all out. LOL
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29th April 2016, 09:23 AM | #146 |
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I want to hear about all the thousands of people pretending to go to work every day, saying goodbye to their partners, heading off into NYC, then sitting around in cafes and parks until home-time, then telling their spouses all about what happened during their imaginary working day. They must have been paid a damn fortune to keep quiet for all these years.
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I don't think it's that. I think he has to find something, anything, to point to as an anomaly to prove there was some kind of conspiracy. If he can't find any actual evidence, the best he can do is pretend there's some kind of disagreement between the evidence and what we think is the evidence, and if there isn't any he has to invent it.
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The Mall and the PATH station ensured the place would always have the hustle and bustle of a city within the city. From my understanding the PA was not subject to public scrutiny and had a private armed guard stationed at the place, so its not like anyone could just check up on them. The PA is run like a for profit business that has the ability to seize property through eminent domain, can't tax citizens but does charge them for the use of their facilities, they have credit capacity similar to government agencies but only answer to two people on the planet, the governors of New York and New Jersey. Even their history reads like the evolution of organized crime, and all their construction projects were built with mob-controlled labor. Sue me if I take with a grain of salt the claim that they built-out and rented 10 million square feet of expensive, unsafe, depressing office space at a time when the rest of the city was experiencing vacancies not seen since the thirties.
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Your entire 911 theory is foundationally dependent on the WTC being empty, then? Do I understand you correctly?
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Presumably "they" had to offer some inducements to 3000 people on the 11th of September 2001 to go sit in an empty shell of a building and await events. Interesting that every single person "they" approached was able to take the money and do the job, because if even one person had said "sorry, my diary is full", they might just have made this public since. Interesting too that the families of the deceased should play along with the subterfuge, in that not one of them has come forward and said "that was the first time he/ she ever went to the WTC".
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Actually, due to the size of the project the place was wide open. Even as the towers neared completion Philippe Peti put together a small team that infiltrated both towers, climbed to the roof, and laid out a complex series of steel cables that Peti later spent an hour tight-rope walking.
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It looks like yankee451 is getting too close to the truth. The government is censoring his web site.
I did the redacting in the pic so I guess he was double censored. |
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Who decided they need to build two giant tower blocks designed just to be blown up decades later?
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/Engage truther mode/
I'm not saying anyone did. I'm just speculating. However, I know someone did, because I believe that 9/11 was an inside job. However, I'm not going to say who I think did it, or how, because I'm just asking questions. However, if you say that 9/11 wasn't an inside job, I will mock you for mindlessly supporting the official story, and accuse you of shilling for the government. However, if you ask me for my counter-evidence for my own view, I will decline, because it would be too dangerous for me to post it: I might get 'disappeared'. However, I will state repeatedly online that I think 9/11 was an inside job, because the evil they (who I'm not going to name) will never be able to find me. However, I believe that the conspiracy, which is capable of planning meticulously decades in advance, and has no compunctions about killing any number of people, has already killed a large number of witnesses, and bought or coerced the silence of even more. Just not me. However, I will repeatedly point to AE911Truth, who are fearlessly campaigning for a new investigation despite these threats and inducements. However, I will not say who should conduct the investigation, or how, or how impartiality can be assured, given that the vast majority of experts in all the relevant fields cannot be trusted to speak the truth. I can't do this any more: too scary. /Exit truther mode/ |
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