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30th April 2016, 09:51 AM | #161 |
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This isn't "construction fraud." This is, somehow, a claim that the two tallest office buildings in the US had no offices because they had no floors and no one noticed this for thirty years. Not even the tens of thousands of people who worked there during that time.
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30th April 2016, 10:43 AM | #162 |
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I read at most 20% of this thread, but isn't the following a fair summary:
Yankee shows photos where he spots some steel dangling from some columns. He identifies these danglers as truss straps. He claims they are evidence that that tower had entire floors missing. It is pointed out that the danglers are not, in fact, truss straps. Yankee, unmoved, still claims the tower had floors missing. Did I miss anything? I think I remember this is not the first thread by yankee that starts out with him seeing things that are not what he thinks they are, and he spins fantastically insane nonsense from his mistaken perception. Instead of ending at post #2, all these threads erupt into spamfests. Interesting. |
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30th April 2016, 10:49 AM | #163 |
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That might not be 100% accurate, Oystein, as there is every chance that some of the dangly things are indeed truss straps, doing exactly what you would expect them to do if the floors they had been attached to had been removed in a catastrophic collapse.
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30th April 2016, 12:35 PM | #165 |
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30th April 2016, 01:29 PM | #167 |
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Yankee451's avatar is based on a striking photo of the setting sun seen through the towers. If the towers had no floors, you could take photos like that from ground level, looking in through the windows of one floor and out of the windows of a higher floor to the sky beyond. In fact it would be hard to avoid, yet for some reason I've never seen a photo like that.
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30th April 2016, 05:26 PM | #169 |
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Fact: No high wire performers were in either tower on 911.
Fact: The French are always in on it. Whatever it is, even if it's not their idea, you can find French finger prints. You can't have a great CT with them. Seriously, every one should see "The Walk": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKSeSX-dzso It's a charming story, and it's bittersweet to see the Towers again. Plus, if you don't have vertigo you will after watching it. |
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Long story short, how many floor pans, trusses and ibeams can you find piled in a heap where the 110 'stories' crushed each other? Or did they turn to dust too, along with the people, the elevator motors, the toilets, the stainless steel steam kettles, walk-in coolers and just about everything else except for the paper?
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Argument from incredulity. There were huge piles of debris that had to be untangled and taken away for months. It's your bald, unsourced statement that the rubble piles contained none of those things. I suspect you think this because you can't find pictures and conclude this means something didn't exist, which is a very egocentric philosophy.
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Reading yankee451 web site delusions could cause damage to the brain... it is blocked as a public service. An internet stupidity singularity, imploding brains faster than free-fall with truss straps attached to the ears... What the heck was the OP about - don't answer that... The missiles did it is a classic insane claim. Overwhelming ignorance is defined by 9/11 truth nuts and idiots in general ignoring the videos of Flight 175's impact and Radar data, claiming no planes = proof of insanity, or willful ignorance. |
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Far fetched things can't ever happen, especially for the first time ever.
I just remembered, the Naudet brothers who were filming at the WTC on 9/11 were French too, n'est-ce pas? |
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The one & only "dilemma" here is "a complete amateur making brass, WRONG assertions on a topic on which he is utterly clueless." And, when other, more informed individuals attempt to correct his ignorance, the clueless amateur struts around like the Cock-o-the-Walk, brandishing a 'tude that'd choke a mule.
In other words, there is no "dilemma" whatsoever. There is only "Truthers SOP". ALL of those straps WERE encased in concrete. Your conclusion that they were not, based on their appearance after the collapse, is PRECISELY as valid as your conclusion that there were no floors because ... [whatever clueless reasoning you applied to this gem]. Now, let's see if you can figure out a freshman engineering puzzle: WHY might they no longer look "encased in concrete" at this point in time??
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C'est vrai!
And the Naudet Video is a propaganda film that makes "Triumph of the Will" pale in comparison, so what's your point? JULES NAUDET'S FIRST PLANE SHOT WAS STAGED: http://www.frankresearch.info/Naudet...ome%20Page.htm |
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If my conclusions are wrong then when shown where they are wrong I will correct the record, but that hasn't happened yet. So far I've only seen a very small example of the concrete that was once part of the lobby ceiling whereas most of the images indicate there WAS zero concrete. So which is it? There should be evidence of concrete all over those walls.
I don't get along with most truthers either but to assume "we" are all alike is a common mistake made by most of the official story faithful, it could even be described as a standard operating procedure. Wait, what? WaypastVNE, what say you? I think the point that you're missing is that the truss straps were pretty flimsy compared to the trusses they were attached to. I assume you have never demolished concrete else you would see how ludicrous it is to assume the straps would be left hanging after being sandwiched between reinforcing mesh and the floor decks before being encased in concrete. Science lesson!
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Sure, show me the images of the floors that crushed the lobby floors for example - show me the image of whatever it was that crushed the only image of concrete floor I have seen in this thread. If it all went into the sub-levels there should be plenty of awe inspiring photos to link to.
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I must have missed it - unless you're referring to the pile next to the bathtub, to which I have already replied. Can you link to the images please? Must be quite a few photos because that's a lot of floors, but I miss things all the time. Which images are you referring to?
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The diagonal braces on floors 7 & 8 were defiantly below the floor pans and not imbedded in concrete. The red arrows point to the diagonal braces in question (they were angle not flat bar, since they were not imbedded in concrete they needed to take compression as well as tension) The green arrows point to where the floor pans were. You can see one of the floor pan's corrugations moulded into the concrete. (left green arrow)
Yankee the reason floor 7 has concrete ruminants and no other floors do, is because the spandrel plates on this floor were on the out side of the columns, not the inside. So the concrete was poured in between the columns instead of stoping at the spandrel plate. In this photo the red arrows point to where the other end of the diagonal straps attach. Blue arrow points to the bracket where the damper attaches. The green arrow points out that the diagonal straps on the truss floors had 4 shear studs on them near the wall. You will see that the strap on the wall panel next to the church still has the shear studs attached to the straps if you look closely. So Yankee, now that every thing that you said was fake about wall panel has been proven wrong, have you come up with anything new to prove it's counterfeit ? |
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Another good post, and if a 4 year old couldn't understand the role of the bracing by this stage I'd be most surprised. However, I'd take issue with you on this one little thing. There is no way that such a thin member is designed to take any compression. I'd suggest that the reason it was angle rather than flat bar was to prevent sagging. The floor pan itself would take any compressive forces, so I can't imagine for a second how any such forces could be designed for in these straps.
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Excellent! So the ceiling to the lobby was where the truss straps were attached, check - but again their presence indicates the ceiling was dismantled as does the absence of ibeams in the debris.
Again, this is evidence of what was missing on the other floors, as well as in the debris. What is the original source for that image? Are there more like that? I have already agreed that I was mistaken about the damper connections and the width of the spandrel, so yes my reasons for suspecting it to be counterfeit were wrong. You still think that the jet debris cut through a whole steel building and impacted just that one wall panel so hard that it snapped all the connections, top, bottom and sides, as well as the truss connections but didn't strike it hard enough to bend the wall panel as it struck, but still struck it so hard that it flew the panel hundreds of horizontal feet while it fell a thousand feet. It then settled to the ground without damaging the concrete it landed on but still struck so hard that it folded all the half-inch steel of the spandrels flat against the side. My mistakes on the counterfeit don't change the matter. They either built it to specs or they had a few extra, or for all we know this was the panel they dropped from a helicopter into the river. But this is a conversation best left for another thread. |
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