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3rd May 2016, 10:24 AM | #1 |
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A new, appalling truther site
The site I speak of is bazantmisconduct dot com and, as the title suggests, goes beyond the usual truther nonsense to actively attacking Bazant. Its mission statement is
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The "research" papers he lists that take issue with Professor Bazant's theory include are mostly from JONES, including Tony Szamboti's missing jolt paper and David Chandler's execrable 2010 paper. He also includes two Jonathan Cole gems. I've crossed paths with David Slesinger, the creator of the website, on Quora. He is usually very polite (unlike the other truthers there) and pretends he wants to start a dialog with people, but of course he's a true believer who wants to proselytize. He claims to know at least basic physics but ducks anything concrete. I actually got him to acknowledge that things don't fall at a constant acceleration of 2/3 g, but then he quickly said he'd have to consult with Tim Eastman. (He knows some of the major players, such as Chandler, Eastman, and MacQueen.) There are lots of truther sites, of course, but one dedicated to trashing a man is a new low for me. So I thought I'd bring it to your attention. |
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http://bazantmisconduct.com/
Bazant might of done his first draft on a napkin, Bazant like guys can fill blackboards with equations without notes... What an idiotic web site - a legacy of woo How can 9/11 truth nuts get nuttier? See bazantmisconduct.com or, Link Bazant to the inside job fantasy |
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3rd May 2016, 10:39 AM | #3 |
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Welcome Bitca!
Beachnut said it well. Idiotic. Pure woo. It's always irritating when someone well educated promotes nonsense, because there are always people who assume they must know what they are talking about. No. |
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3rd May 2016, 10:58 AM | #4 |
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http://bazantmisconduct.com/
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3rd May 2016, 11:00 AM | #5 |
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I just finished reading Galileo's middle finger by Alice dreger, who has defended many others in academia who have been harassed and had their careers tarnished. Maybe he should contact her. Incidentally she used to be at northwestern, he probably knows her.
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Thanks, Beechnut. I'm not allowed to post links yet. Guess I better participate more instead of lurking.
Turns out good old Tony S announced the site at debate politics. David's also been "truthing" since 2002, first on ae911truth, and now on 911truth. (The difference being there are no architects or engineers on the latter?) And, oh my, I just stumbled on this earlier site, also by Slesinger: ChallengingChomsky, which includes this bit:
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It's kind of pathetic that he's wasted 14 years of his life on this stuff. And that I spent a fair amount of time over the past 3 months or so trying to have a sane conversation with him.
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Under "Research papers which take issue with Professor Bazant’s theory of the collapses", there's just one which is not a truther site.
I followed the link. I'd say it's interesting for structural engineers. It basically consists of experiments showing that the energy dissipation of a buckling column as it develops hinges may have been underestimated by Bazant. That's not even remotely similar to a "misconduct". I also note that the first listed co-author has collaborated with Szamboti in the "Missing Jolt" paper. And of course, I can't help noticing there's a donation button. |
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Is it 84 % of Americans who now believe the Official 9/11 report is nonsense ?
Those who haven't followed the money look increasingly foolish . How soon before the conspiracy deniers will be regarded in the same way as sane people regard Holocaust deniers ? |
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3rd May 2016, 04:02 PM | #10 |
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lol, so your make up fake numbers so you can follow the crowd who can't figure out 9/11 after 14 years? Stand up and be an individual...
How much did the knives cost? Good to see you don't deny the Holocaust; some 9/11 truth followers do. Guess getting the Holocaust right and 9/11 wrong puts you at 50 percent for reality. But did you have something to add on the case of the dolt who started the Bazant attack web site - follow the money, the guy is asking for donations to attack Bazant. Keep up the failed 9/11 truth claims; it takes massive lack of knowledge to believe 9/11 truth claims. Seems most 9/11 truth followers are over qualified. Love the irony... |
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3rd May 2016, 06:04 PM | #12 |
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The current AE911T led smear campaign against Bazant reminds me very much of their NIST Fraud smear compaign from two years ago and is likely to be even less effective.
Northwestern University actually spells out what constitutes misconduct quite clearly:
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3rd May 2016, 06:31 PM | #13 |
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I like the website.
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3rd May 2016, 08:43 PM | #14 |
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http://www.amazon.com/Galileos-Middl...+middle+finger is where you can read more about and even order it............
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Not even close to 30% and most of them live in their parent's basements eating Cheez Whiz and candy bars while fapping to their favorite online places that use their idiocies to sell them crap for survival planning. And trying to beat each others tales of the evul konspericey people..........http://www.amazon.com/Galileos-Middl...middle+fingere this helps you!!!
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Another duplicating error?????????
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AFAIK it is one of only two potentially valid arguments against B&Z's finding that global collapse was inevitable. I've identified it many times for two main reasons:
1) For all those stuck in the past - either "side" - it - the Szuladzinski, Szamboti and Johns paper - remains a legitimate prima facie claim that Bazant (AKA Zhou) got the sums wrong - AFAIK no one has rebutted it. ; AND 2) It is irrelevant any way - we now (should) know that "global collapse was inevitable" independent of Bazant because we (should) understand the mechanism. And that the mechanism is easier to understand than Bazant thought it would be 9/12 - 9/13 and thru to formal publication of B&Z. The issue shouldn't concern us because B&Z is irrelevant in the current state of discussion - EXCEPT for the meta level question "Would debate have progressed more effectively without B&Z?" Agreed. "They" simple have no concept of what "misconduct" means - esp. in an academic context. For strict "letter of the law" by Northwestern Mark F has given us the relevant words: Half of which is arguably T Sz's biggest or only win. |
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This comes from an old (like ten years old) poll that the Truthers like to flog. They claim that it shows 84% support for their nonsense, but that is really stretching things:
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This is just plain despicable.
Morons ... performing the only task of which they're capable: making royal pains in the asses of themselves. It's hilarious that this clown offers up Cole as a dissenting "expert". LoL. Especially when Cole is on record as having said this:
Originally Posted by Jonathan Cole
Dr. Bazant IS “far more intelligent” than Cole.! I guess designing sewer systems doesn't require a lot of advanced math... |
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That's so cute!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinio...iracy_theories So which category will Kevin Barrett fall into? https://socioecohistory.wordpress.co...resent-danger/ Evidently the connection between 9/11 Ctists and Holocaust deniers seems to be stronger than that of Holocaust deniers and individuals that reject unfounded 9/11 CT fairy tales. |
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