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Old 16th May 2016, 11:57 AM   #1
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Need Fire Pics

So this twoofer doesn't believe fire in Bld 7 was big enough to cause global collapse. I cant find a decent picture of video since there is so much twoofer garbage polluting google. Have a source?
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Old 16th May 2016, 12:02 PM   #2
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Originally Posted by baldartist View Post
So this twoofer doesn't believe fire in Bld 7 was big enough to cause global collapse. I cant find a decent picture of video since there is so much twoofer garbage polluting google. Have a source?
He'll reject whatever you offer anyway. It's impossible to see through the facade and Truthers will tell you that the smoke pumping from all the broken S side windows was just wafting up from WTC5+6 before being blown away on the breeze.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afb7eUHr64U
Especially after about 2m20s in
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Also
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Hey Jeff!


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I think you posted the same vid twice...
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Steve Spak - DAY OF DISASTER

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Xjgm1ChQI

After 4 min (first 4 are of WTC 5 burning) shows WTC 7 from North face (Barclay St)

Entire floors fully involved......

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Originally Posted by GlennB View Post
He'll reject whatever you offer anyway. It's impossible to see through the facade and Truthers will tell you that the smoke pumping from all the broken S side windows was just wafting up from WTC5+6 before being blown away on the breeze.

Yeah, you know the pics. And likely the videos showing those ~six windows on one single WTC7 floor posted already.

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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
Yeah, you know the pics. And likely the videos showing those ~six windows on one single WTC7 floor posted already.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...5500ed53d1.jpg http://www.internationalskeptics.com...5500f11eec.jpg
Fire caused the collapse of 7 WTC, what caused the collapse in the dumbed down fantasy NoC version of 9/11.
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Vince DeMentri and his cameraman made it into GZ and got some good video of WTC 7 just 30 minutes or so before it collapsed. As you can see theses small, isolated fires did manage to burn through several floors and spread the width of the building.

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WTC 7 shots begin a minute or two in and start at Barclay & Greenwich and down to West Broadway on the south side of the building.
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Interesting footage, AJM8125. I guess what's seen at 1:36 following is the "six windows" office fire from the vidoes already featured. Never saw the one on the other side of the building, lots of black smoke there.
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Originally Posted by AJM8125 View Post
Vince DeMentri and his cameraman made it into GZ and got some good video of WTC 7 just 30 minutes or so before it collapsed. As you can see theses small, isolated fires did manage to burn through several floors and spread the width of the building.

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WTC 7 shots begin a minute or two in and start at Barclay & Greenwich and down to West Broadway on the south side of the building.
Poor 9/11 truth dolts want a new investigation, having no clue their claims, their overwhelming evidenceignorance, would be a criminal investigation. 911 truth followers and cult members need to take their idiotic 6 windows fire delusional claims to the FBI and stop whining about their failed inside job CD failure.

14 years of complete failure

The little/small/sixWindows fires of 9/11... 6 windows? Is this the new NoC of 9/11 truth, in the 15th year of failure.

Based on the 911 truth nuts version of 9/11, we could have stayed at our desks on 9/11 in 7 WTC. The fires were "small". Where did the BS of 6 window fires come from?

Anyway, if fire did not do it, then 9/11 truth needs to come up with evidence fire did not do it. I have no idea why someone suspected fire did it... oops, someone say 6 windows worth of fire.

9/11 truth has no clue when it comes to fire and steel. Have they gone to the FBI?
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Interesting footage, AJM8125. I guess what's seen at 1:36 following is the "six windows" office fire from the vidoes already featured. Never saw the one on the other side of the building, lots of black smoke there.
I think they shot that from 101 Barclay, so that's the Greenwich side of the building at 1:36.
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Poor 9/11 truth dolts want a new investigation, having no clue their claims, their overwhelming evidenceignorance, would be a criminal investigation. 911 truth followers and cult members need to take their idiotic 6 windows fire delusional claims to the FBI and stop whining about their failed inside job CD failure.

14 years of complete failure
Teh truth is out there, being ignored.
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Interesting footage, AJM8125. I guess what's seen at 1:36 following is the "six windows" office fire from the vidoes already featured. Never saw the one on the other side of the building, lots of black smoke there.
Interesting, yes, though quite well known. But still worth showing again.

It nails certain lies, and in this context maybe the most important one is that the smoke was from WTC5+6 and was "clinging" - through some miracle of physics - to WTC7. For the record, this smoke is from the E side of WTC7 and nowhere else. Ditto smoke from the W side that we saw earlier in the video.

I also don't understand the "6 windows" references. Do you think only 6 windows around that area showed signs of fire? That only 6 were broken? Please explain.
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Amazing that they didn't capture the arsonists who went into the building after the Twin Towers fell. In or out!
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Amazing that they didn't capture the arsonists who went into the building after the Twin Towers fell. In or out!
And also into Barclay, torching many cars and buses. Long enough in advance that they were utterly burnt out when the vid was recorded. Now that's what I call thorough!
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Interesting, yes, though quite well known. But still worth showing again.

It nails certain lies, and in this context maybe the most important one is that the smoke was from WTC5+6 and was "clinging" - through some miracle of physics - to WTC7. For the record, this smoke is from the E side of WTC7 and nowhere else. Ditto smoke from the W side that we saw earlier in the video.

I also don't understand the "6 windows" references. Do you think only 6 windows around that area showed signs of fire? That only 6 were broken? Please explain.
What's with the windows being blown out for 3 floors, then not blown out for 10 and then blown out for another 3? It's like a pattern.

Is there a fire science / architectural type explanation for that, or is it just curious?
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Originally Posted by AJM8125 View Post
Teh truth is out there, being ignored.

Indeed. Doggy told you that it had a desk in WTC7, 23rd floor it was, Ghoul HQ. Of course that isn't true, but it understands where the music was playing. Like so many people do these days.
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And also into Barclay, torching many cars and buses. Long enough in advance that they were utterly burnt out when the vid was recorded. Now that's what I call thorough!
Oh Jesus... you're right! Now these poor guys (c'mon you 3 you know who you are) need to take into account that everything around the building was burned, too.

LOL
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... everything around the building was burned, too. ...
Gots to be hurricane-sized space beam cannon, or tactical nuke.
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Oh Jesus... you're right! Now these poor guys (c'mon you 3 you know who you are) need to take into account that everything around the building was burned, too.

LOL
Seriously - I wonder how long it takes a car or bus to burn down to a shell, and even stop smouldering. It's almost as if the fires were actually set by the WTC1 collapse, which would raise some awkward questions for Truthers (notably Szamboti, who has confidently claimed that dust from WTC1 would have prevented fires breaking out that far away, therefore it had to be arson)
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Seriously - I wonder how long it takes a car or bus to burn down to a shell, and even stop smouldering. It's almost as if the fires were actually set by the WTC1 collapse, which would raise some awkward questions for Truthers (notably Szamboti, who has confidently claimed that dust from WTC1 would have prevented fires breaking out that far away, therefore it had to be arson)

Friend, the answer to the question in the OP, after a week of the thread running, is no. There is no source. That yuuge 47-story building was not taken down by those separated little six-window office fires shown in public record, black smoke or not. That's why your "experts" ran away shortly after the "report" was released.
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Friend, the answer to the question in the OP, after a week of the thread running, is no. There is no source. That yuuge 47-story building was not taken down by those separated little six-window office fires shown in public record, black smoke or not. That's why your "experts" ran away shortly after the "report" was released.
So I guess the Fire Department were in on it as well. They seem to think there was a big fire, they say the building was 'Fully Involved'
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Friend, the answer to the question in the OP, after a week of the thread running, is no. There is no source. That yuuge 47-story building was not taken down by those separated little six-window office fires shown in public record, black smoke or not. That's why your "experts" ran away shortly after the "report" was released.
Are you looking at a zoomed in section only 7 windows wide?
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Friend, the answer to the question in the OP, after a week of the thread running, is no. There is no source. That yuuge 47-story building was not taken down by those separated little six-window office fires shown in public record, black smoke or not. That's why your "experts" ran away shortly after the "report" was released.
That makes no sense.
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That yuuge 47-story building was not taken down by those separated little six-window office fires shown in public record, black smoke or not. That's why your "experts" ran away shortly after the "report" was released.
I would say it was sad that the 9/11 truth movement had been reduced to repeating strawman arguments and barefaced lies, but it's not actually a significant reduction. Or, for that matter, sad.

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Friend, the answer to the question in the OP, after a week of the thread running, is no. There is no source. That yuuge 47-story building was not taken down by those separated little six-window office fires shown in public record, black smoke or not. That's why your "experts" ran away shortly after the "report" was released.
What "experts" - do you miss posting BS from 9/11 truth and supporting idiotic claims with no evidence.
Where does the tag-line six-window office fires come from? Is this like the NoC, a failed dumbed down Gish Gallop. LOL, six-window fire did not cause the collapse is what? Is there a point? The effects of fire caused 7 WTC to fail. Not much you can do about it.

Ironically, the tag-line based on six-windows fire, is evidence for fire. Are you ignoring the fact fire caused the collapse? What is missing.

9/11 truth wants a new investigation. Since their claim is CD, they need to present the evidence to the FBI, and there is no need for an engineering study. Engineering studies have shown it is possible for fire to cause the collapse, and there have been more than one study.

Engineers don't investigate crime. All 9/11 truth claims are based on some fantasy version of CD/Inside Job which is a crime. Makes 9/11 truth look dumber than dirt since 9/11 truth has no evidence to support claims of CD.

Is 9/11 truth still upset the "overwhelming evidence" turned out to be fake claims based on "overwhelming ignornace"? Sour grapes due to failed CD fantasy and failed NoC? The "six-windows fires", is that your original 9/11 truth tag-line? Cool - not as dumbed down at "path of most resistance", or "broke Newton's laws", a classy Gish Gallop tag-line. Is it new?
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Where does the tag-line six-window office fires come from?
I think it might be from whatever elevation you look, there's gonna be six windows on fire. That way they can cherry pick which side of the building had the small fires.



Not exactly helpful to their argument but then again, what is?
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I think it might be from whatever elevation you look, there's gonna be six windows on fire. That way they can cherry pick which side of the building had the small fires.

http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/...-horz-vert.jpg

Not exactly helpful to their argument but then again, what is?
You showed over 50 windows where fire was or had been. Stop it, you will ruin the 9/11 truth new "six windows of fire" tag line, which is a new contestant for the six sigma of stupid award.
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Seriously - I wonder how long it takes a car or bus to burn down to a shell, and even stop smouldering. It's almost as if the fires were actually set by the WTC1 collapse, which would raise some awkward questions for Truthers (notably Szamboti, who has confidently claimed that dust from WTC1 would have prevented fires breaking out that far away, therefore it had to be arson)
Fires in vehicles along Barclay and Greenwich St were caused by debris from
WTC 1. If look can see burning paper in the street and windows blown out

Rear and side windows of vehicles are tempered glass which shatters
if struck sharp blow - pieces of debris (concrete chunks) fully capable
of breaking windows and admitting burning debris

Also burning papers under vehicle or landing on plastic bumpers would
ignite vehicles

Cars are tightly parked nose to tail - once one vehicles ignites will ignite
others along street

Seen it when somebody parked car over pile of leaves in parking lot - heat from catalytic converter ignited vehicle, which set fire to 3 others parked
next to it
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You showed over 50 windows where fire was or had been. Stop it, you will ruin the 9/11 truth new "six windows of fire" tag line, which is a new contestant for the six sigma of stupid award.
Has that been an actual claim, or is it just trolling?
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Has that been an actual claim, or is it just trolling?
NoC trolling.

It is ironic, the new investigation 9/11 truth wants would be by the FBI, not engineers, not science. 9/11 truth followers seem to be the kind of folks who would do a false flag, who would be part of an inside job; they imagine it, they would do it. Kind of scary.
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Has that been an actual claim, or is it just trolling?
As a firefighter, my reasoned reaction, to anybody who points at that picture of WTC 7 and claims there were only a few small fires, is to point and laugh.
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Friend, the answer to the question in the OP, after a week of the thread running, is no. There is no source. That yuuge 47-story building was not taken down by those separated little six-window office fires shown in public record, black smoke or not. That's why your "experts" ran away shortly after the "report" was released.
Childlike Empress, I don't think that's the best route to go. The fires were pretty bad on the floors that they were on. Even if you look at the firefighters witness accounts that accurately describe the fires - as only being on about 10 floors in total throughout the day - it is clear that just one floor of fires like those would be a big task for the NYPD.

Some pictures you may find on the web of tall buildings fully engulfed in flames can be misleading, because sometimes that could just be the outer cladding on fire.
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Originally Posted by beachnut View Post
... the six sigma of stupid award.


I so want that to be a real thing. There should at least be a tee shirt.
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