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Old 17th May 2016, 12:43 PM   #1
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Businessman plans to recreate 9/11 to finally prove if CTs are true or false

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A businessman from California is attempting to raise over $1 million in a bizarre bid to recreate 9/11, and prove once and for all if the conspiracy theories surrounding the attacks on New York’s World Trade Centre are true or false.

Paul Salo, who now resides in Thailand, has plans to raise over $1 million and use the cash to purchase a Boeing 747 in order to have it smashed in into the side of an empty building in the countryside at speeds of 500 miles per hour.

What’s more, Mr Salo plans to sell front-row tickets to his re-enactment of the horror and hell of 9/11.
http://www.inquisitr.com/3104552/bus...true-or-false/

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Old 17th May 2016, 12:52 PM   #2
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The funny thing is, there was already a hypothesis and a confirmation on 9/11. Can an aircraft impact and fire make a 110 story building collapse? Well, it was confirmed when the 2nd one fell, right?
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So, do they have buildings that big in Thailand?
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I think he will need over $1 Million to purchase the plane.
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Old 17th May 2016, 01:02 PM   #5
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So, do they have buildings that big in Thailand?
Yep, the countryside is littered with skyscrapers
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Old 17th May 2016, 01:03 PM   #6
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And a billion or two to construct a comparable building. The man is an attention-seeking wanker.
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So some fraud has found another way to make a Buck off of twoofers, another for profit fraud.
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Old 17th May 2016, 01:16 PM   #8
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I bet he visits here often. It went like this:

So what do we have new on skeptics forums today .. What ? Another 9/11 thread !? If I only had a dollar of every one of those ! Hahaha .. now wait a minute !
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I predict a crowdfunding effort.

edit: I see he's charging $5k per ticket. In advance of course. Right. Bollocks from the start.
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Pilots for Truth have signed up to fly the jet... ?
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Old 17th May 2016, 01:37 PM   #11
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Pilots for Truth have signed up to fly the jet... ?
Would they have enough skill to find and hit a building ?
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Pilots for Truth have signed up to fly the jet... ?
Probably not. They'd miss.
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Originally Posted by beachnut View Post
Pilots for Truth have signed up to fly the jet... ?
We can only hope.
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Sounds like a con.
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Wouldn't he also have to buy a building with the same... build as the towers?
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Wouldn't he also have to buy a building with the same... build as the towers?
He can't afford the engines for the project he envisions (at least not something that will fly). It's a scam for sure.

Wake me when he gets to 10 Million.
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He can't afford the engines for the project he envisions (at least not something that will fly). It's a scam for sure.

Wake me when he gets to 10 Million.
You forgot he could use rubber bands wind them up, and allow them to turn the Turbines.

The first clue that it's fake is businessmen, Like Gage, Tony, and Cole.
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How will slamming a bigger plane into a smaller building prove anything?
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How will slamming a bigger plane into a smaller building prove anything?
It would prove that "truthers" are the most gullible people on the planet, that is if he raises the money.
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A couple of years back some guy proposed rebuilding the Twin Towers in the Nevada desert, and then flying a pair of 767s into them. Pretty sure this was a scam too, and if not it shows how many Truthers do not understand money.

If I were to go to all of that expense and effort, I would end up renting out office space.
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This seemed like a joke at first. Now that it's getting some attention, it seems like it's more like a scam.
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False Flag.... Tony Sz - what's your take?
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The ironic thing is that the only way they could conduct the test is if they rig the plane to fly remotely. Well, there are already plenty of CTists who believe the passengers were offloaded and the empty planes flown remotely. He can't disprove one aspect of one CT without creating evidence for another.
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The ironic thing is that the only way they could conduct the test is if they rig the plane to fly remotely. Well, there are already plenty of CTists who believe the passengers were offloaded and the empty planes flown remotely. He can't disprove one aspect of one CT without creating evidence for another.
Why not ask for volunteers? I'm sure they would get a few for the "cause". The belief of Trvthers is beyond belief. (Or sumtin'). :
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A couple of years back some guy proposed rebuilding the Twin Towers in the Nevada desert, and then flying a pair of 767s into them. Pretty sure this was a scam too, and if not it shows how many Truthers do not understand money.

If I were to go to all of that expense and effort, I would end up renting out office space.


I said many, many years ago that nothing less than this would convince some Truthers. The problem is, it still wouldn't convince all of them. The hard core idiots would just claim you'd rigged the building to replicate the collapses of the Twin towers.
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It would prove that "truthers" are the most gullible people on the planet, that is if he raises the money.
Well they still fund Gage's yearly vacations and let Basile steal 5k from them.
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This seemed like a joke at first. Now that it's getting some attention, it seems like it's more like a scam.
Are you talking about this particular issue, or the whole 9/11 truth movement?

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He must be talking about Salo.

It's been a while since the truth movement could be described as 'getting some attention'.
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April fools gathering pace on the Internet ?
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I see it more as a charmingly archaic tradition, a fertility futility dance around the Maypole.
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Why not ask for volunteers?
If the Top 500 Truthers join the flight, I would donate a few bucks...
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I said many, many years ago that nothing less than this would convince some Truthers. The problem is, it still wouldn't convince all of them. The hard core idiots would just claim you'd rigged the building to replicate the collapses of the Twin towers.
If you were to put a percentage on that, how many twoofers would say: "I can't believe I actually fell for this" after seeing something like what this Salo guy is planning?
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If you were to put a percentage on that, how many twoofers would say: "I can't believe I actually fell for this" after seeing something like what this Salo guy is planning?

At this point, it's hard to say, but it's a lot less than it would have been 5-10 years ago. Anyone still buying into 9/11 truth at this point is either honestly crazy, or just too damn stupid to figure anything out.
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Even if he approximates a 757 & a Tower, there is a problem.

He has to fly the jet into the building. Is it likely he will be able to get a pilot to do this? No. How to solve this conundrum?

He will have to fly the planes by remote control. Isn't this, in fact, one of the Conspiracy Theories floating about? Success would mean he's proving rather than disproving a CT.
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Even if he approximates a 757 & a Tower, there is a problem.

He has to fly the jet into the building. Is it likely he will be able to get a pilot to do this? No. How to solve this conundrum?

He will have to fly the planes by remote control. Isn't this, in fact, one of the Conspiracy Theories floating about? Success would mean he's proving rather than disproving a CT.
Pilots? He could use the aviation authority of choice for Criteria and MM, Balsamo's club for failed pilots. However, Balsamo and his club of failed aviators claim, actually seem to brag, they can't hit the Pentagon with a 757, thus they are can't fly the jet.

Remote control would not prove much of anything, since the FDR for 77 and 93 show the planes were flown by "hand". Remote control would be not proof for much more than someone is not dumb enough to fly into a building.

What happens when a wing falls off, or the remote control fails... The planes used on 9/11 were airworthy and certified for flight, where as a heavy jet you buy for 1,000,000 dollars would be overdue for inspections on engines, air-frame; when was the last pressure check on the cabin; can it be pressurized. That being said, who cares if the plane is certified. However, if there are structural problems, going 500 mph at 700 feet or sea level does impose large aerodynamic loads.... parts out of specifications, like panels, gear doors, skin, could depart the plane as it exceeds Vmo just a little. Major structural problems might show up at high speed, or any load factors - you might hear a big crack sound as the plane zooms by, and fails.

As for planes up to date for inspection, I have seen minor damage when a large jet exceeded Vmo. It was some skin under the wing was ripped off by the high speed, did not affect flight. it is embarrassing for the pilot who now is caught speeding and doing minor damage to the plane... When I accidentally exceed Vmo at 500 feet above sea level in level flight, I did not damage the plane. The only ripping, was the throttles back to idle and slowed down before turning to downwind. Flybys in the old engine KC-135 only great show off maneuver, noise from four J-57s, smoke from four J-57s, and to get the noise, and smoke "full" throttle... and in seconds from 300 knots we exceeded 350 knots, with old 11,000 pound per engine under powered noise/smoke makers...

It is insane to repeat what 19 terrorists did by stealing four jets, faking hijacking, and being murderers for UBL. Must be a money issue, ripping off the only humans dumber than 19 terrorists on earth, 9/11 truthers.
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Why 9/11 Conspiracy Crowdfunding Project Will Fail

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The bigger problem is that the experiment will be inconclusive no matter its outcome. Despite Salo’s claim that “we will prove 9-11 to be true or false once and for all,” the fact is that if the building collapses exactly as happened on Sept. 11, conspiracy theorists will argue, correctly, that the conditions weren’t exactly the same as in the original building collapse. If the building collapses differently, that won’t prove anything either, and for the same reason. Neither anyone questioning or defending the “official story” will accept his conclusions and admit they were wrong.

Salo is asking for $1.5 million and as of this writing has $431; whether he comes up with the rest of the funds in the next two months remains to be seen, but people can learn a lesson about science no matter what happens.
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And Fail it Did!

Man’s Indiegogo Campaign to ‘Re-create’ 9/11 Gets Shut Down.

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Paul Salo wants to raise $1.5 million (though he’ll settle for $300,000) to purchase a condemned skyscraper and a plane, fly said plane directly into said skyscraper, and “prove 9/11 to be true or false once and for all.” Does this sound insane, not to mention incredibly insensitive? Yes? Good. It is.

Crowdfunding website Indiegogo appears to think so, too. The platform terminated Salo’s “September 11th Redux” fundraising campaign on Wednesday, a move Salo calls “very underhanded.” ...
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If the guy can purchase a 757 for $300.000 he is a lucky man.
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I'm impressed that a whole 19 people contributed. It clearly demonstrates the true scale of the vast groundswell of support for the 9/11 truth movement that truthers are always telling us about.

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It will cost a LOT more than $1 million to recreate the twin towers.
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