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Old 18th May 2016, 03:49 AM   #1
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Why can't Johnathan Cole do credible experiments,

A, his experiments are accurate the universe is just wrong.

B, his experiments are correct and every other thinking engineering professional is incompetent.

C, Cole is Incompetent, and should not have an engineering license.

D, Cole is a for profit fraud, just wanting to Huckster for money.

So what's your opinion especially that of the lerkers, and of the engineering professionals?
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Old 18th May 2016, 04:58 AM   #2
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I think he is driven by flawed thinking... and is clever enough to do an experiment which in his way of seeing things... confirms his beliefs. It's a neat trick....
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Old 18th May 2016, 05:20 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by JSanderO View Post
I think he is driven by flawed thinking... and is clever enough to do an experiment which in his way of seeing things... confirms his beliefs. It's a neat trick....
I would agree with you Sander, if there was not a profit motive involved.
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Old 18th May 2016, 06:17 AM   #4
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For some it is for "profit" - money... others want their 15 minutes in the spotlight and it's for ego... For others they believe that our system is flawed and 9/11 is an example of how that played out.

On the official side there seems to be a lot of CYA and avoiding facing how our "system" has let us down... buildings developed without the community's interests, but instead a narrow few... for of course "profit". The entire national security state is premised on real threats, yet we create those threats by the policies which have us meddling around the world often to secure markets and access to raw materials and energy... which some can say is for "profit". Apparently our "interest" in the ME and the "stans" is about energy / profits. And millions are dying for "profit" or religious beliefs.

9/11 has many embedded lessons about our society. Probably the least important was the engineering issues.
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Old 18th May 2016, 06:59 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by JSanderO View Post
For some it is for "profit" - money... others want their 15 minutes in the spotlight and it's for ego... For others they believe that our system is flawed and 9/11 is an example of how that played out.

On the official side there seems to be a lot of CYA and avoiding facing how our "system" has let us down... buildings developed without the community's interests, but instead a narrow few... for of course "profit". The entire national security state is premised on real threats, yet we create those threats by the policies which have us meddling around the world often to secure markets and access to raw materials and energy... which some can say is for "profit". Apparently our "interest" in the ME and the "stans" is about energy / profits. And millions are dying for "profit" or religious beliefs.

9/11 has many embedded lessons about our society. Probably the least important was the engineering issues.
I hardily agree.
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Old 18th May 2016, 07:14 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by JSanderO View Post
For some it is for "profit" - money... others want their 15 minutes in the spotlight and it's for ego... For others they believe that our system is flawed and 9/11 is an example of how that played out.

On the official side there seems to be a lot of CYA and avoiding facing how our "system" has let us down... buildings developed without the community's interests, but instead a narrow few... for of course "profit". The entire national security state is premised on real threats, yet we create those threats by the policies which have us meddling around the world often to secure markets and access to raw materials and energy... which some can say is for "profit". Apparently our "interest" in the ME and the "stans" is about energy / profits. And millions are dying for "profit" or religious beliefs.

9/11 has many embedded lessons about our society. Probably the least important was the engineering issues.
Dying for profits (if they are your own) is semi-reasonable. For someone else's, not so much!!!
Dying for any religion is bat-**** crazy. Any goddie thing that has to have it's followers die for it clearly has no real powers - if it did it would wipe out infidels swiftly and by itself.
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Old 18th May 2016, 07:15 AM   #7
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Clearly we need Cole's law: First, chop up some cabbage....................
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Old 18th May 2016, 11:51 AM   #8
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Cole doesn't have the required understanding or training. A good example of this is his "Eutectic Steel" video whereby he builds a fire around a steel member and adds various materials expected to be present at the WTC. (There's no such thing as "eutectic steel" in this context")

At the end he declares that no eutectic steel is present. There are a number of problems with the experiment, but the most glaring one is his last statement.

In order to see whether a eutectic has formed under the conditions, then one is required to cut out part of the steel member, then section it, prepare a microsection by grinding and then polishing the surface of the steel. In order to view the microstructure you need to etch the specimen and then use an optical microscope to see the lamella structure.

Instead the video just shows Cole using his "mark I eyeball" and declaring there is no eutectic steel present.

I admire his effort in actually trying to replicate conditions, whether they be in the fire enveloping the WTC or the rubble pile, but he lacked any proper analysis due to his lack of understanding.
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Old 18th May 2016, 12:18 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by Sunstealer View Post
Cole doesn't have the required understanding or training. A good example of this is his "Eutectic Steel" video whereby he builds a fire around a steel member and adds various materials expected to be present at the WTC. (There's no such thing as "eutectic steel" in this context")

At the end he declares that no eutectic steel is present. .......
........Instead the video just shows Cole using his "mark I eyeball" and declaring there is no eutectic steel present.

I admire his effort in actually trying to replicate conditions, whether they be in the fire enveloping the WTC or the rubble pile, but he lacked any proper analysis due to his lack of understanding.
What he could have said was " In this short term, off the cuff experiment I can see no eutectic melting of the steel". Of course it would have simply underlined the futility of his 'experiment'.
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Old 18th May 2016, 12:35 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by jaydeehess View Post
What he could have said was " In this short term, off the cuff experiment I can see no eutectic melting of the steel". Of course it would have simply underlined the futility of his 'experiment'.
It's futile to set out to perform an experiment if you have no way of analysing the result.

It's even worse when the experiment itself is so poorly constructed as to be meaningless.
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Old 18th May 2016, 05:38 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by Sunstealer View Post
It's futile to set out to perform an experiment if you have no way of analysing the result.

It's even worse when the experiment itself is so poorly constructed as to be meaningless.
Exactly, Cole's sulfidication experiments couldn't have produced a result even if he had a way
Of analyzing it.

His experiment was a brush pile on the ground, no structure, The sulfidication, requires a more complex fire structure than Cole's pile of wood on the ground.
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Old 18th May 2016, 05:41 PM   #12
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I hardily agree.
It might suprize you but I agree with JSO too.
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Old 18th May 2016, 06:16 PM   #13
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Really? You had to start a new thread?
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Old 18th May 2016, 10:18 PM   #14
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Really? You had to start a new thread?
This thread is About his repeated failures in experimentation, multiple experimentations not just one.
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Old 19th May 2016, 05:42 PM   #15
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Clearly we need Cole's law: First, chop up some cabbage....................
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Old 19th May 2016, 06:18 PM   #16
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Cole is teasing 9/11 truth nuts with idiotic videos and claims?

Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw View Post
A, his experiments are ... wrong.

B, his experiments are ... incompetent.

C, Cole is Incompetent...

D, Cole is a ...
E - Cole dumbs down a video as much as he can. He enjoys seeing comments from sub-idiots who think the delusional videos are proof 9/11 was an inside job.

Cole has to know his videos are dumber than dirt.

It takes overwhelming ignorance to believe Cole's videos and claims. 14 years of failure.
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Old 23rd May 2016, 04:55 AM   #17
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E - Cole dumbs down a video as much as he can. He enjoys seeing comments from sub-idiots who think the delusional videos are proof 9/11 was an inside job.

Cole has to know his videos are dumber than dirt.

It takes overwhelming ignorance to believe Cole's videos and claims. 14 years of failure.
Have to agree with you their, Cole is a for profit fraud as is AE/911 idiocy.
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Marketing is deception... AE is a marketing operation... selling themselves.
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Well targeting idiots is good idea if you go for fraud, so thumbs up for that.
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Old 23rd May 2016, 09:20 AM   #20
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Originally Posted by JSanderO View Post
Marketing is deception... AE is a marketing operation... selling themselves.
There is a difference between puffing, and hucksery, Fraud, the difference is in the claim being some what true and accurate.
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I have no idea. But it comes down to two things:

technical incompetence (he really believes the things that he writes) & delusions of grandeur

OR

mendacity & ego (The only opportunity he will ever have to feel like the Technical "Top Dog". And he likes that feeling.)

I have no view into his personality, other than what I see in his videos.

I've known engineers (guys who probably got degrees) who were utterly incompetent. Who had wildly misplaced delusions of their own competence.
This could be him.

Or he likes the spotlight & adoring, clueless admirers.
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The foundational principle is: "It doesn't matter why he spouts BS. It's still BS."

Clueless is as bad as lying.
Lying can be fixed, if someone eventually sees the light.
Clueless is incurable.
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Old 30th May 2016, 05:01 AM   #22
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The question of "why?" Cole does what he does likely relates to the environment of the AE claims. Their supports or their target audience who they court are almost all non technical people with little to no scientific background who accept the notion that science explains things to us about the world... in this case aspects of how those buildings can or can't collapse and from what.

He is incapable of performing anything more sophisticated than a back yard experience... because he:

lacks the skills to design an experiment which will test some aspect of the collapse
pay for the materials etc. to conduct the experiment
doesn't have the testing equipment required to generate data

His level of professionalism and rigor does not meet the standard of "science". BUT is looks like an experiment and he refers to the supposed science which explains what he does. And this all works for his target audience.

Why?

AE needs to convince the target audience that they are sophisticated and professional... and experiments and testing is an accepted means to explore and explain"stuff". Rigorous material science, engineering experiments are targeting other professionals and "industry" for the purpose of creating better performing and safer products, systems and so forth in the things we use in our daily lives. Cole's experiments are meant to impress the naive... and get them on board their false narrative train.

I suppose some of the motivation for doing this is ego... as he assumes he is supplying the "science" which supports the AE claims. Claim support is recognized as making an assertion have legs. He likely also feels it is expected of AE to produce something other than bullet point assertions and it secures his place as someone to be taken as a "leader" as opposed to a follower (parrot).

Whether he truly knows his experiments are not rigorous and "prove" nothing is hard to determine. He may not understand that they wrong and not rigorous. If he does, than he is being willfully deception. If he doesn't, he is being naive and deluded.

I think most of this is the latter... naivety and delusion. When someone is benefiting as Gage it likely shifts to the former. Maybe there is a third... willfully deception and deluded???
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Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw View Post
A, his experiments are accurate the universe is just wrong.

B, his experiments are correct and every other thinking engineering professional is incompetent.

C, Cole is Incompetent, and should not have an engineering license.

D, Cole is a for profit fraud, just wanting to Huckster for money.

So what's your opinion especially that of the lerkers, and of the engineering professionals?
How about, compared to Bill Nye he is clearly incompetent!!!
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Originally Posted by JSanderO View Post
Marketing is deception... AE is a marketing operation... selling themselves.
Are they really attractive prostitutes, Bullwinkle???
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