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Old 24th May 2016, 06:26 AM   #1
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Even more secrecy surrounding 9/11

Judge Allowed Destruction of Evidence in 9/11 Case, Defense Says

By*CHARLIE*SAVAGE
MAY 11, 2016
WASHINGTON — The government has secretly destroyed evidence that is relevant to the death penalty trial of the five Guantánamo Bay detainees accused of aiding the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, two defense lawyers for Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the self-described architect of those attacks, said on Wednesday.

The dispute appears likely to add a new chapter to the problems that have plagued the effort to bring the case before a military commission, which has been bogged down for years in pretrial proceedings. The defense lawyers are asking for the judge overseeing the case, Col. James Pohl of the Army, and the prosecution team, led by Brig. Gen. Mark S. Martins, to be recused from further involvement, and for the case to be shut down.

The defense lawyers, David Nevin and Maj. Derek Poteet, said they were not permitted to say what the evidence was, or what exactly had happened to it, because the underlying issue was classified. But Mr. Nevin characterized it as “favorable” to the defendants, and Major Poteet said it was “important or even critical” to an eventual trial, including in terms of weighing what sort of punishment should be imposed if the defendants were convicted.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/05/12...?_r=0&referer=
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Old 24th May 2016, 06:39 AM   #2
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The US can't close Gitmo until it moves all the inmates out.

The US cannot move many of those up convicted inmate to CONUS for various legal reasons.

The US cannot try Gitmo inmates with torture - derived evidence.

The US is now tossing some of the evidence. I conclude they're throwing out the water boarding - derived testimony for things they've finally managed to corroborate with outside information.

This means they can try those inmates and move them out of Gitmo.

The Cheney/Rumsfeld administration painted the US government into a legal corner and Obama has finally gotten to to put out a fan to try to dry the paint.

President Hillary will proudly declare Gitmo closed just before the end of Gvt fiscal year 2019.
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Old 24th May 2016, 08:37 AM   #3
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geggy hit and run post... ?Even more secrecy surrounding 9/11?

Originally Posted by geggy View Post
Judge Allowed Destruction of Evidence in 9/11 Case, Defense Says

By*CHARLIE*SAVAGE
MAY 11, 2016
WASHINGTON — The government has secretly destroyed evidence...
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/05/12...?_r=0&referer=
You post a BS article about BS, you fall for the BS, hook line and sinker, and you can't take the time to make more than a comment in your silly title inspired by the dumber opening sentence.

Which is the secret part? It appears the government got caught, thus the line is, "The government got caught secretly destroying evidence..."

What is your point? 19 terrorists did 9/11, what does this BS have to do with 9/11 past the point these other idiots were caught and suspected helping terrorists commit world wide terrorism for UBL, a spoiled Saudi with nothing better to do.

How can you say more secrecy when now it is less secret, exposed, caught, etc... illogical, and no point - are you an inside job CD believer too?

Why post with no comment? Too hard to do more than cut and paste?
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Old 24th May 2016, 10:48 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by geggy View Post
Judge Allowed Destruction of Evidence in 9/11 Case, Defense Says

By*CHARLIE*SAVAGE
MAY 11, 2016
WASHINGTON — The government has secretly destroyed evidence that is relevant to the death penalty trial of the five Guantánamo Bay detainees accused of aiding the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, two defense lawyers for Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the self-described architect of those attacks, said on Wednesday.

The dispute appears likely to add a new chapter to the problems that have plagued the effort to bring the case before a military commission, which has been bogged down for years in pretrial proceedings. The defense lawyers are asking for the judge overseeing the case, Col. James Pohl of the Army, and the prosecution team, led by Brig. Gen. Mark S. Martins, to be recused from further involvement, and for the case to be shut down.

The defense lawyers, David Nevin and Maj. Derek Poteet, said they were not permitted to say what the evidence was, or what exactly had happened to it, because the underlying issue was classified. But Mr. Nevin characterized it as “favorable” to the defendants, and Major Poteet said it was “important or even critical” to an eventual trial, including in terms of weighing what sort of punishment should be imposed if the defendants were convicted.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/05/12...?_r=0&referer=
It is completely obvious exactly what the secret information was that was destroyed.

Lets see who on this forum can figure this out.

By the way this is an intelligence test, and your intelligence not only depends on if you can figure this out but how quickly you can do this!
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Old 24th May 2016, 11:01 AM   #5
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Oh, thats EASY.

There was NO 'secret information'. I mean... how would the defense lawyers KNOW about it if was (a) classified, and (b) destroyed ?

13 minutes. Do I get the prize ?
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Old 24th May 2016, 12:07 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by Roofgardener View Post
Oh, thats EASY.

There was NO 'secret information'. I mean... how would the defense lawyers KNOW about it if was (a) classified, and (b) destroyed ?

13 minutes. Do I get the prize ?
Great timing, but wrong, no cigar.

If you had been right you have been awarded the Genius Award.

At least you tried.

As to how they knew, read part of the NYTimes article shown below:

Major Poteet also said the defense was informed in February that Colonel Pohl had approved a plan by the government to give the defendants a government-prepared “summary of a substitute” for the original, classified evidence that is no longer available. He provided no further details about what the alternative evidence consisted of.
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Old 24th May 2016, 12:09 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by paloalto View Post
It is completely obvious exactly what the secret information was that was destroyed.

Lets see who on this forum can figure this out.

By the way this is an intelligence test, and your intelligence not only depends on if you can figure this out but how quickly you can do this!
Figure out what? Your fantasy conclusions on issues leading up to 9/11 make the BS, this is an intelligence test, ironic.

... not much to do with 9/11 CTs, but lets see of the OP author can give a comment.

lol, "The government has secretly destroyed evidence"... wait, it is not a secret. ... it is still secret, we can't talk about it... I figured out the government did not secretly destroy evidence, they got caught, or told on themselves, and quibble about it... is there a point related to 9/11 CTs?
"The government has secretly destroyed evidence", it is no longer a secret it is now, "The government destroyed evidence", there fixed it. Is it still a secret now?

what was the point of the OP? He does this once a year,, or so
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