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Old 28th May 2016, 10:19 AM   #1
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Truther peer reviewed papers

A simple question........

When have they ever been used in the real world and who has benefitted from them?

I would love to know, thanks
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Old 29th May 2016, 01:34 AM   #2
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Silence speaks volumes......

Hey truthers! Bring forth your trusted and peer reviewed experts! Yankee451, FalseFlag, Malbec, Kyoon, bubba (Where is bubba, by the way?), Criteria, Micah Java?

Someone?



Anyone?
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Old 29th May 2016, 01:56 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
Silence speaks volumes......

Hey truthers! Bring forth your trusted and peer reviewed experts! Yankee451, FalseFlag, Malbec, Kyoon, bubba (Where is bubba, by the way?), Criteria, Micah Java?

Someone?



Anyone?
Don't forget Tony Sz

I keep hearing about these papers and the only purpose I can can see is to suck in gullible people.

I'm happy to be corrected though.
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Originally Posted by Spanx View Post
A simple question........

When have they ever been used in the real world and who has benefitted from them?
I don't quite get what sort of answer you expect. To help me, can you illustrate this by giving a specific example of a paper that supports the commonly accepted narrative and who, specifically, has benefitted from it? And how, exactly? Thanks
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I don't quite get what sort of answer you expect. To help me, can you illustrate this by giving a specific example of a paper that supports the commonly accepted narrative and who, specifically, has benefitted from it? And how, exactly? Thanks
There is no specific peer reviewed article.

"Truthers" like to mention peer reviewed articles about 911 as some form of evidence of the "inside job". As of yet I personally have not seen any evidence of an "inside job" and do not see these peer reviewed articles of any use at all.

I would expect these article to improve on building control and benefit future building projects on a safety aspect.
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Originally Posted by Spanx View Post
There is no specific peer reviewed article.
What else is there?

Originally Posted by Spanx View Post
"Truthers" like to mention peer reviewed articles about 911 as some form of evidence of the "inside job".
"Debunkers" like to mention peer reviewed articles about 911 as some form of evidence of the "official story". Same thing. Apparently, you seem to think that, apart from establishing some information about some aspect of the knowable world, some people would "benefit" from such papers mentioned. I would like to see how.

Originally Posted by Spanx View Post
As of yet I personally have not seen any evidence of an "inside job" and do not see these peer reviewed articles of any use at all.
Agreed. However...

Originally Posted by Spanx View Post
I would expect these article to improve on building control and benefit future building projects on a safety aspect.
...did this, in fact, occur as a result of any peer reviewed papers?

When have these paper ever been used in the real world and who has benefitted from them?

If you cannot give an answer to your own question as regarding the good papers, how can you fairly expect truthers to answer the question with regard to their papers? It would be an ill-posed question - a question designed to fail.
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post

If you cannot give an answer to your own question as regarding the good papers, how can you fairly expect truthers to answer the question with regard to their papers? It would be an ill-posed question - a question designed to fail.
My question is not about the "good" papers. You are welcome to tell me the benefit of these if you like. (I have not said there is any benefit to these)
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Originally Posted by Spanx View Post
My question is not about the "good" papers. You are welcome to tell me the benefit of these if you like. (I have not said there is any benefit to these)
Color me baffled.

Could our resident truthers answer "there is any benefit to these" and satisfy you?

Ok, I take it that there is no benefit to the "official" papers. Thanks for admitting as much.
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Old 29th May 2016, 04:26 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
Color me baffled.

Could our resident truthers answer "there is any benefit to these" and satisfy you?

Ok, I take it that there is no benefit to the "official" papers. Thanks for admitting as much.
The title is Truther peer reviewed papers.

I have not admitted anything about official papers apart that I have not said anything about them.

As to whether our resident truthers could answer? I don't know, hence asking the question.
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I don't quite get what sort of answer you expect. To help me, can you illustrate this by giving a specific example of a paper that supports the commonly accepted narrative and who, specifically, has benefitted from it? And how, exactly? Thanks
The NIST reports are peer reviewed publications which support the commonly accepted narrative. They have been used as the basis for improvements in building safety codes, and everyone using or passing near to high-rise buildings benefits from them being built more robustly in terms of personal safety when in or near them.

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Old 29th May 2016, 08:57 AM   #11
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Originally Posted by Dave Rogers View Post
The NIST reports are peer reviewed publications which support the commonly accepted narrative. They have been used as the basis for improvements in building safety codes, and everyone using or passing near to high-rise buildings benefits from them being built more robustly in terms of personal safety when in or near them.

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Probably true.

But the reports are not papers.
Are there any "beneficial" papers?

I am not doubting that papers can be / are "beneficial", since that is a matter of opinion. I merely want to get a feel for what Spanx would let pass as "beneficial".
Dave, I am sure you get what I am after
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. I merely want to get a feel for what Spanx would let pass as "beneficial".
Are you asking me to answer my own question ?
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Originally Posted by Spanx View Post
Are you asking me to answer my own question ?
No. I asked my own question, which you evaded ("truther-style", I am almost inclined to remark snarkily ):

I don't quite get what sort of answer you expect. To help me, can you illustrate this by giving a specific example of a paper that supports the commonly accepted narrative and who, specifically, has benefitted from it? And how, exactly? Thanks

I hilighted the question marks for your benefit. Perhaps you missed them the first time around
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No. I asked my own question, which you evaded ("truther-style", I am almost inclined to remark snarkily ):

I don't quite get what sort of answer you expect. To help me, can you illustrate this by giving a specific example of a paper that supports the commonly accepted narrative and who, specifically, has benefitted from it? And how, exactly? Thanks

I hilighted the question marks for your benefit. Perhaps you missed them the first time around
Why not start your own thread and ask the question you want to ask.

This thread is about Truther peer reviewed papers.
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A simple question........

When have they ever been used in the real world and who has benefitted from them?

I would love to know, thanks
I think I can answer your question. "Truthers" benefit from them in the real world because they can use them to promote their cause. They are used frequently in "truther" gatherings and lectures.
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Originally Posted by Spanx View Post
Why not start your own thread and ask the question you want to ask.

This thread is about Truther peer reviewed papers.
Spanx, you have posted way too many intelligent posts here to play this dumb. You understand of course that I am not interested in an answer to my question as such (quite the contrary: I think it is a very silly and also unfair question; ill posed, without any constructive purpose; a bad question that would better remain unasked if it weren't for its twin). As I said:

I don't quite get what sort of answer you expect. To help me, can you illustrate this by giving a specific example of a paper that supports the commonly accepted narrative and who, specifically, has benefitted from it? And how, exactly? Thanks

See, I hilighted a different part of my question. Perhaps you missed it the last two times around! The highlighted part provides the context for my question. The context is YOUR question, and what sort of answer you expect.
Therefore, my question belongs in this thread, nowhere else.

I would not open a thread with such a silly, vague and unfair question.


All of this you no doubt already understood. I am disappointed that you play the evasive games Truthers usually do.
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I think I can answer your question. "Truthers" benefit from them in the real world because they can use them to promote their cause. They are used frequently in "truther" gatherings and lectures.
That's the way I see it.

Although it would be nice to see a truthers view on them.

Good to see you understood the question
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I think I can answer your question. "Truthers" benefit from them in the real world because they can use them to promote their cause. They are used frequently in "truther" gatherings and lectures.
What a self-serving answer.

Who has benefitted from the Bazant, Uzmani etc. papers, and how? Try to answer this, and you will soon find that this is a matter of prejudice, personal values, group afiliation and faith. A silly, vague and unfair question.
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That's the way I see it.

Although it would be nice to see a truthers view on them.

Good to see you understood the question
Fact of the matter is, this answer could fit the vast majority of peer reviewed papers (Less the "truther" reference).
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What a self-serving answer.

Who has benefitted from the Bazant, Uzmani etc. papers, and how? Try to answer this, and you will soon find that this is a matter of prejudice, personal values, group afiliation and faith. A silly, vague and unfair question.
See post above this...........
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Spanx, you have posted way too many intelligent posts here to play this dumb. You understand of course that I am not interested in an answer to my question as such (quite the contrary: I think it is a very silly and also unfair question; ill posed, without any constructive purpose; a bad question that would better remain unasked if it weren't for its twin). As I said:

I don't quite get what sort of answer you expect. To help me, can you illustrate this by giving a specific example of a paper that supports the commonly accepted narrative and who, specifically, has benefitted from it? And how, exactly? Thanks

See, I hilighted a different part of my question. Perhaps you missed it the last two times around! The highlighted part provides the context for my question. The context is YOUR question, and what sort of answer you expect.
Therefore, my question belongs in this thread, nowhere else.

I would not open a thread with such a silly, vague and unfair question.


All of this you no doubt already understood. I am disappointed that you play the evasive games Truthers usually do.
If you really need a specific paper? How about the Bentham paper.

How has anyone benefitted out of that?

Remember I am not you and I can open a thread however I like and I have the right to stay on topic.
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Fact of the matter is, this answer could fit the vast majority of peer reviewed papers (Less the "truther" reference).
That's true but as dave has pointed out up thread the NIST report has changed building safety codes.

Although this thread is about Truther paper.
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If you really need a specific paper? How about the Bentham paper.

How has anyone benefitted out of that?

Remember I am not you and I can open a thread however I like and I have the right to stay on topic.
Truther-style evasion.
I am out, and you lost (a bit of my respect).
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Fact of the matter is, this answer could fit the vast majority of peer reviewed papers (Less the "truther" reference).


The OP is a vague, silly, unfair gotcha-question.
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Truther-style evasion.
I am out, and you lost (a bit of my respect).
Oh well that's your choice.
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If you really need a specific paper? How about the Bentham paper.

How has anyone benefitted out of that?

Remember I am not you and I can open a thread however I like and I have the right to stay on topic.
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I used the printed Version to light a brush pile on fire with a leaf blower.
I hope the ink was special nano-thermite ink, standard paper and ink would not be enough to start a fire and surely a leaf blower would blow the fire out
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The OP is a vague, silly, unfair gotcha-question.
That's how it read to me and I agree with your other criticisms in this thread.

@Spanx - It feels to me like you were saying, 'These papers don't benefit anyone in the real world - can I get an amen?' and wanted a thread full of responses like Cosmic Yak's post number 2 and Crazy Chainsaw's latest one. The vagueness and loaded nature of the OP seem to discourage proper discussion.
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That's how it read to me and I agree with your other criticisms in this thread.

@Spanx - It feels to me like you were saying, 'These papers don't benefit anyone in the real world - can I get an amen?' and wanted a thread full of responses like Cosmic Yak's post number 2 and Crazy Chainsaw's latest one. The vagueness and loaded nature of the OP seem to discourage proper discussion.
You could always tell me who does benefit from them. If nobody benefits from them, what is the point.

I would love to know.
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You could always tell me who does benefit from them.
I don't claim anyone outside the 911 Truth Movement, which is what I assume you meant by 'the real world', does. It's my view that they exist to promote the idea of scientific rigor within the movement's researches, acting as a kind of propaganda.
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I don't claim anyone outside the 911 Truth Movement, which is what I assume you meant by 'the real world', does. It's my view that they exist to promote the idea of scientific rigor within the movement's researches, acting as a kind of propaganda.
That's your opinion, which I respect, although it doesn't actually answer my question.

Maybe? Some of the people in comic yak's post will come forward if they feel anyone in the real world benefits from them.
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That's your opinion, which I respect, although it doesn't actually answer my question.
Fair enough.

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Maybe? Some of the people in comic yak's post will come forward if they feel anyone in the real world benefits from them.
Maybe, although as I say, I feel the tone of the OP rather discourages that.
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Maybe, although as I say, I feel the tone of the OP rather discourages that.
It shouldn't be a problem for them if they feel they are of benefit to anyone.
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I don't claim anyone outside the 911 Truth Movement, which is what I assume you meant by 'the real world', does. It's my view that they exist to promote the idea of scientific rigor within the movement's researches, acting as a kind of propaganda.
So besides that there is no real purpose then, which I'm guessing is Spanx's point.
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So besides that there is no real purpose then, which I'm guessing is Spanx's point.
Perhaps instead of letting you guess, and instead of asking gotcha-questions, Spanx should express straight and honestly what is point is - make a specific claim of some sort. If he has a point, of course.
If there is no point to this thread, then we can as well all abandon it now.
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Perhaps instead of letting you guess, and instead of asking gotcha-questions, Spanx should express straight and honestly what is point is - make a specific claim of some sort. If he has a point, of course.
If there is no point to this thread, then we can as well all abandon it now.
Oystein, because you can't answer the question it does not mean the question is not there.

It's just a question you can't answer and there may ? Be someone who feels they can.

It's a simple question with no catch.
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Old 30th May 2016, 02:05 PM   #37
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Originally Posted by Spanx View Post
Oystein, because you can't answer the question it does not mean the question is not there.

It's just a question you can't answer and there may ? Be someone who feels they can.

It's a simple question with no catch.
I think this post is dishonest and deceptive.
I think you know it is.
So why don't you stop it.
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
I think this post is dishonest and deceptive.
I think you know it is.
So why don't you stop it.
And how is it dishonest and deceptive.
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Originally Posted by Spanx View Post
And how is it dishonest and deceptive.
You deliberately misrepresent my criticism. You erect a strawman.
I do not believe you are unaware of this.
You pile this dishonesty on top of the dishonesty that is the OP.
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
You deliberately misrepresent my criticism. You erect a strawman.
I do not believe you are unaware of this.
You pile this dishonesty on top of the dishonesty that is the OP.
If you say so.

You couldn't possibly be wrong.
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