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2nd June 2017, 01:12 PM | #81 |
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For easy reference, here's the article:
http://www.theolympian.com/news/poli...153826004.html The emails are embedded within the article, in a sort of document viewing frame. For me, that frame appears immediately below the paragraph "Read the initial exchange between Weinstein and Love below. The emails are in reverse chronological order, meaning the first email is at the bottom of the document." I can pop open that document viewer in its own window with this link: https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...ml#document/p1 |
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2nd June 2017, 03:46 PM | #82 |
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I'm gonna guess that my work interwebs monitors won't let that frame work. All I have is a picture. I can't open filesharing stuff either. I'll try to remember to dig it up this weekend.
I found the full text of Weinstein's email in a couple of other places, I was just curious about the response form Love. I think I've probably got all the bits and pieces scattered around FIRE had a pretty good overview, but I'd have to re-google it to link at and... well... lazy right now. |
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2nd June 2017, 04:29 PM | #83 |
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overview from FIRE
A link to FIRE. Not sure whether or not it was the one you wanted.
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2nd June 2017, 07:15 PM | #84 |
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It's just depressing how off-track the campus left has become. "Day of Absence", to the best of my knowledge is inspired by a Douglas Turner Ward play. The setting was NOT Olympia, WA with its 4% minority population, but Anytown, Southern USA with their 45 to 60% black populations. The conceit is "Let's see how they get along if the street cleaners, dishwashers, maids, box boys, fruit stall vendors, et al...., including customers for their stores.... ALL stay home and they have to get by on their own for just 24 hours." It was a satire and it exaggerated its points rather blatantly. Hell, it's recommended in the preface that you get black actors in whiteface to play the roles.
Obviously it was making a non-impact at Evergreen. Just what hardship are you putting on The Man if the students at a liberal college don't go to class. No one loses grant money, daily income, etc... you just have fewer people playing frisbee on the quad. So, of course it was a non-event. Garnered no attention, got no support and made a point to no one. Rather than junking the "tradition", they decide to make it offensive to make a point. Again... in Olympia WA? And what point? "Hey, no one notices if we boycott for a day, so let's uh, I dunno... NOT BOYCOTT?" "Ooh, I know! Let's keep whitey out, that's the same thing, right?" No. It isn't. It's not related to the original concept, the validity of which I question anyway fifty years after it was imagined. It's a non-sequitur and it is just stupid. These are the sort of Social Justice Warriors who caused us to turn that phrase into abject irony and sarcasm. Idiots comparing putting a poster up in the library to Nelson Mandela, Gandhi, and Rosa Parks. |
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2nd June 2017, 07:57 PM | #85 |
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Where is the evidence that any major group at the school demanded that whites not come to school that day?
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2nd June 2017, 08:08 PM | #86 |
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I have read the email exchange between the school President and the Professor.
It appears that the event usually involved on-campus and off-campus activities. POC participants engage in activities off-campus, while White participants engage in activities on campus. The Professor suggested this be reversed. But this was only for participants in the events. Its was never a day when POCs simply stay home while Whites go about their normal business at school. Something told me that these allegations were ******** and I was proven right. No one asked let alone demanded that all White persons simply stay off campus that day while only POCs come to class. |
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I have no idea as to the size of the group involved, but it was evidently the same association or club that has been "sponsoring" the Day of Absence for forty years. It was supported by the office of diversity, or whatever it's called at Evergreen and reported in the school newspaper as an announcement of the change in focus of the day of observation.
It's pretty obviously stupid. I can elect to make myself absent to make a statement and I can ask others to do the same in the form of solidarity. I cannot, in any sane world, create a day of YOUR absence by telling you to stay away. |
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2nd June 2017, 08:15 PM | #88 |
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Read the email exchange. Its clear the request only affected those students already participating in event activities. It did not affect students, white or black, not involved in the days events.
Right-wing screaming about "Evergreen College demands white people stay home", is nothing but ******** Right-wing FAKE NEWS. |
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This is actually one of those things that annoys me more for some reason. This current view that 'allies' should prove their worth and commitment to a cause, and anything less that total submission is inadequate.
You seem to think that because the view for this years event was only affecting those registered to participate makes it tolerable is fine. The professor in question held the opposite opinion and voiced it. For his opposing opinion, his resignation was demanded. That is really the only problem here. |
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I just try to remember that I was so bored when I was a freshman in college, I fell in with the Wicca crowd and ended up living in an unheated bohemian boarding house for 2+ years before I realized I was a moron.
But that was off-campus. On-campus, the professors told me to do my homework. Do it naked in a graveyard if you please, but do it, or flush thousands of dollars down the drain. Was that better? I'm inclined to think it was, but of course I'm undoubtedly colored by the biased lens of "why, in my day..." How the hell is that happening already. |
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Weinstein's perspective
Here is a portion of an email written by Professor Weinstein: "I raise this sickening history because the Nazi High Command explicitly rationalized their depraved, deliberately cruel extermination Jews, homosexuals, Jehovah’s Witnesses and Roma with an overt appeal to Darwinism. As a Jewish evolutionary biologist, I do not think I could possibly be any more aware of the hazard posed by weaponized “Darwinian” logic. When I offered to provide an evolutionary perspective on “race” it was not to justify oppression, as many seem to have imagined. It was, quite to the contrary, with an eye towards permanently ending oppression by understanding and addressing it at its evolutionary root. I truly believe that scientific enlightenment of this sort could ensure that genocide never happens again—to anyone."
This is the guy that the students think should resign? |
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This behavior is identical to that of the people who insist on only using the "sociological" (aka oppression olympics) definition of racism, sexism, etc.
They want to appropriate the harm caused/sympathy gained by accusing others of being racist/being a victim of racism over often trivial things, while simultaneously avoiding such criticism because after all, "only whites can be racist" and "only men can be sexist". They're "only being prejudicial"... |
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My bigger concern is how our college youth seems to be soo focused on racial identity politics.
They seem to care more about judging and dividing our people by race and culture, than by ideology. They seem to fail to grasp that there are white people who are full allies in the struggle for economic justice. Instead events like this only marginalize and disallusion whites who would love to be allies in the struggle. Dividing this country by race and ethnicity only helps the TRUE enemy, who know no allegiance to skin color or language. They only know money. |
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I think the exclamation points were part of the Republiker quote or whatever you call it. I'd rather see Republicker or exclamation points over sentences like "He's a ***** ******* piece of ****. I'm so ****** angry I can't help but curse even when I'm ******* typing" "Hmmm ya I think the "F word" will fit in nicely here. I hope people don't confuse it with another word, maybe I'll put "Mutha" in front of it, yeah that's it. Then a little ************ to finish it off. Voila, perfect! People will really know I'm upset now!" |
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Unfortunately, it is not just the students anymore. Statement signed by about 1/4 of Evergreen State's Faculty:
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Someone did the math here regarding the makeup of the signatories, I'll quote in full.
"I thought I’d go ahead and do the dirty work for you and go through the faculty listings at Evergreen. Of 56 faculty signatures, I count 45 from the humanities. However, there was one retiree and another with no listing so that 45 is only out 54, leaving 9 from the natural sciences. I count 11 alone from languages, more than the natural sciences combined!" |
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That's the thing, though: They haven't converted in large numbers. The GOP has been a shambles for years. It's ideologically bankrupt. Its presidential primary was a clown car spectacle.
Middle class whites should have been ripe to be peeled off by a Democratic party with something better to offer. Instead, they got Hillary Clinton. They looked across the aisle, and saw the same corruption, the same ideological bankruptcy. Some of us saw Bernie Sanders, but we know how that went. You're looking for a conversion in the wrong direction. This was an election cycle for middle class whites to flee the GOP, right into the welcoming arms of the Democratic Party. But the message has been getting through loud and clear: middle class whites aren't welcome on the left. |
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What a weird version of guilt by association. I'm afraid to ask -- did Kevin Bacon also attend?
It wouldn't surprise me much if this incident is an outgrowth of special snowflake stupidity that is taught/encouraged at Evergreen -- that the incident is a Frankenstein monster, as was suggested upthread. However, I wouldn't assume this on a knee-jerk basis. |
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Very sick of the youth of our colleges being so damn obsessed with race.
We are one nation. We will either succeed together or we will fail divided. There is no other option. Any student or teacher advocating race politics and racial divisions, is an enemy of the people. We should all unite due to common ideology, beliefs and goals. Suggesting that people who have common goals and beliefs should divide themselves by race or religion or ethnicity, is simply doing bidding of those who wish to rule us all. |
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Don't ask me what the word is, I don't believe it's even a phenomenon. You can't pick a word out of the air and use it contrary to its accepted definition simply because you can't think of the correct one. Why not say blacks have cultural cancer, or cultural diphtheria, or cultural irritable bowel syndrome? It makes no less sense than cultural PTSD.
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Not sure whom I'm declaring guilty by association here, Rachel or Evergreen State? Rachel Corrie was in Israel to complete her senior college project, which was to join ISM protestors and to initiate a sister city project between Olympia and a city in Gaza. Evergreen State is definitely a hotbed of special snowflakes.
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Weinstein was on Joe Rogan's podcast the other day:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq4Y87idawk
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